Grading the coaching staff

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 06:30:21 PM

Quote from: Foad on March 08, 2018, 06:24:46 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 05:38:56 PM

4 years ago We had a coach, who had faults.

Four years ago we had four seniors who were able to overcome the coach's incompetence and manged to win six more games than a coach you think should have been fired two years ago. Four years ago we had a coach who won one less BE game than the coach we have now has won. Four year ago we had a coach who managed one post season win in five years. Four years ago we had a coach who scoured the Riviera for recruits and came up with Amar Alibegiwitz. Four years ago was a long time ago and you're still posting the same shit, albeit from a different toilet.

Ok. Your right. Our coach gets an F. Just because he sucks.

For the record I gave him a C plus, slightly above average. I'd have given a lesser mortal a C, but it's Mullin. Like if Mozart wrote a bad symphony I'd have bumped him up a grade too. Regarding the repetitive boring nonsense you post ad nauseam, if you said Lavin sucked and Mullin sucks too, that'd be something. But no. You're pining for a guy who won one post season game in five years and fewer BE tournament games in five than Mullin's won in three. Which makes you a dope who has noting better  to do than drone on and on while he shits on the train. Which no offense, I couldn't bring myself to do it, hence the diverticulitis, but you might want to reconsider what you do with your toilet time, because you're wasting it.

So, the majority vote believes that Mullin did an average job. He went 5-15 in the Big East. If he goes 10-10 next year does he get an A and a statue on campus?

Quote from: Poison on March 08, 2018, 08:14:57 PM

So, the majority vote believes that Mullin did an average job

Winning half your games could not be more average. Which don't you understand, math or English?

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 06:30:21 PM

Quote from: Foad on March 08, 2018, 06:24:46 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 05:38:56 PM

4 years ago We had a coach, who had faults.

Four years ago we had four seniors who were able to overcome the coach's incompetence and manged to win six more games than a coach you think should have been fired two years ago. Four years ago we had a coach who won one less BE game than the coach we have now has won. Four year ago we had a coach who managed one post season win in five years. Four years ago we had a coach who scoured the Riviera for recruits and came up with Amar Alibegiwitz. Four years ago was a long time ago and you're still posting the same shit, albeit from a different toilet.

Ok. Your right. Our coach gets an F. Just because he sucks.

For the record I gave him a C plus, slightly above average. I'd have given a lesser mortal a C, but it's Mullin. Like if Mozart wrote a bad symphony I'd have bumped him up a grade too. Regarding the repetitive boring nonsense you post ad nauseam, if you said Lavin sucked and Mullin sucks too, that'd be something. But no. You're pining for a guy who won one post season game in five years and fewer BE tournament games in five than Mullin's won in three. Which makes you a dope who has noting better  to do than drone on and on while he shits on the train. Which no offense, I couldn't bring myself to do it, hence the diverticulitis, but you might want to reconsider what you do with your toilet time, because you're wasting it.

Vaccaro nails it.  For a guy with a .388 winning percentage he probably has more job security than any coach in the country.  And that's fine, FOR NOW. But it needs to start changing next year.  Again 2 year plan.  First become relevant next year and then be right there with X and Nova in year 5. 

Absolutely no reason for SJU not to be in that position a year from now.  And I think Chris Mullin would agree.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/08/its-desperately-time-for-st-johns-to-be-great-again/

Vaccaro nails it.  For a guy with a .388 winning percentage he probably has more job security than any coach in the country.  And that's fine, FOR NOW. But it needs to start changing next year.  Again 2 year plan.  First become relevant next year and then be right there with X and Nova in year 5. 

Absolutely no reason for SJU not to be in that position a year from now.  And I think Chris Mullin would agree.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/08/its-desperately-time-for-st-johns-to-be-great-again/

Quote from: Foad on March 08, 2018, 08:14:35 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 06:30:21 PM

Quote from: Foad on March 08, 2018, 06:24:46 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 05:38:56 PM

4 years ago We had a coach, who had faults.

Four years ago we had four seniors who were able to overcome the coach's incompetence and manged to win six more games than a coach you think should have been fired two years ago. Four years ago we had a coach who won one less BE game than the coach we have now has won. Four year ago we had a coach who managed one post season win in five years. Four years ago we had a coach who scoured the Riviera for recruits and came up with Amar Alibegiwitz. Four years ago was a long time ago and you're still posting the same shit, albeit from a different toilet.

Ok. Your right. Our coach gets an F. Just because he sucks.

For the record I gave him a C plus, slightly above average. I'd have given a lesser mortal a C, but it's Mullin. Like if Mozart wrote a bad symphony I'd have bumped him up a grade too. Regarding the repetitive boring nonsense you post ad nauseam, if you said Lavin sucked and Mullin sucks too, that'd be something. But no. You're pining for a guy who won one post season game in five years and fewer BE tournament games in five than Mullin's won in three. Which makes you a dope who has noting better  to do than drone on and on while he shits on the train. Which no offense, I couldn't bring myself to do it, hence the diverticulitis, but you might want to reconsider what you do with your toilet time, because you're wasting it.

He has coached just about 60 games. We have lost around 80 percent. More then half have been absolute beatdowns. After every absolute beat down. You imply that I am stupid. Foady you love stats, guess who has the worst record at St. John’s? Besides Jarvis who started with a good situation?
C+ is better then average.

Quote from: Poison on March 08, 2018, 08:14:57 PM

So, the majority vote believes that Mullin did an average job. He went 5-15 in the Big East. If he goes 10-10 next year does he get an A and a statue on campus?

Y'all are wasting your time disputing with a small fraction of folks.  Those same folks will have a litany of excuses (one of 'em being Lavin, as they continue to deflect with their mental gymnastics), if things goes awry next season. 

Let's hope (things doesn't go awry) next season.  Hopefully, that's when things finally turn around. 

I'd say Steve Lavin started with a pretty good situation.  A team full of seniors that went to the NIT the year before and had balance in the back court and front court.

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 08:32:54 PM

Quote from: Foad on March 08, 2018, 08:14:35 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 06:30:21 PM

Quote from: Foad on March 08, 2018, 06:24:46 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 05:38:56 PM

4 years ago We had a coach, who had faults.

Four years ago we had four seniors who were able to overcome the coach's incompetence and manged to win six more games than a coach you think should have been fired two years ago. Four years ago we had a coach who won one less BE game than the coach we have now has won. Four year ago we had a coach who managed one post season win in five years. Four years ago we had a coach who scoured the Riviera for recruits and came up with Amar Alibegiwitz. Four years ago was a long time ago and you're still posting the same shit, albeit from a different toilet.

Ok. Your right. Our coach gets an F. Just because he sucks.

For the record I gave him a C plus, slightly above average. I'd have given a lesser mortal a C, but it's Mullin. Like if Mozart wrote a bad symphony I'd have bumped him up a grade too. Regarding the repetitive boring nonsense you post ad nauseam, if you said Lavin sucked and Mullin sucks too, that'd be something. But no. You're pining for a guy who won one post season game in five years and fewer BE tournament games in five than Mullin's won in three. Which makes you a dope who has noting better  to do than drone on and on while he shits on the train. Which no offense, I couldn't bring myself to do it, hence the diverticulitis, but you might want to reconsider what you do with your toilet time, because you're wasting it.

He has coached just about 60 games. We have lost around 80 percent. More then half have been absolute beatdowns. After every absolute beat down. You imply that I am stupid. Foady you love stats, guess who has the worst record at St. John’s? Besides Jarvis who started with a good situation?
C+ is better then average.

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on March 08, 2018, 05:50:56 PM

I'd say a C for the year. Next year they have to be a B-B+ at the least.

There has been incremental progress each year.

We won 8 BE games last year. We won 5 this year.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 08, 2018, 08:28:16 PM

Vaccaro nails it.  For a guy with a .388 winning percentage he probably has more job security than any coach in the country.  And that's fine, FOR NOW. But it needs to start changing next year.  Again 2 year plan.  First become relevant next year and then be right there with X and Nova in year 5. 

Absolutely no reason for SJU not to be in that position a year from now.  And I think Chris Mullin would agree.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/08/its-desperately-time-for-st-johns-to-be-great-again/

You keep saying that . Why do you think improvement is coming?

Vaccaro nails it.  For a guy with a .388 winning percentage he probably has more job security than any coach in the country.  And that's fine, FOR NOW. But it needs to start changing next year.  Again 2 year plan.  First become relevant next year and then be right there with X and Nova in year 5. 

Absolutely no reason for SJU not to be in that position a year from now.  And I think Chris Mullin would agree.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/08/its-desperately-time-for-st-johns-to-be-great-again/

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 08, 2018, 08:36:30 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 08, 2018, 08:28:16 PM

Vaccaro nails it.  For a guy with a .388 winning percentage he probably has more job security than any coach in the country.  And that's fine, FOR NOW. But it needs to start changing next year.  Again 2 year plan.  First become relevant next year and then be right there with X and Nova in year 5. 

Absolutely no reason for SJU not to be in that position a year from now.  And I think Chris Mullin would agree.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/08/its-desperately-time-for-st-johns-to-be-great-again/

You keep saying that . Why do you think improvement is coming?

IMO, a one year plan.  If we're not in the dance next season and recruiting isn't on the upswing, then we need to press on.

So, the majority vote believes that Mullin did an average job. He went 5-15 in the Big East. If he goes 10-10 next year does he get an A and a statue on campus?
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Average for St John’s which has been a lousy program for a long time. I wish that wasn’t the case, but it is (whether or not you want to believe it.)  I think they’ll be better next year.  They are a player away from being good, imo.

Quote from: Poison on March 08, 2018, 08:14:57 PM

So, the majority vote believes that Mullin did an average job. He went 5-15 in the Big East. If he goes 10-10 next year does he get an A and a statue on campus?
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Average for St John’s which has been a lousy program for a long time. I wish that wasn’t the case, but it is (whether or not you want to believe it.)  I think they’ll be better next year.  They are a player away from being good, imo.

Everything now hinges on one person. That person should be the coach. Instead, it’s Shamorie. If we add another player that’s as good as him, and he returns, we could be good. If he leaves, we will be horrible.

If Mullin took a leave of absense in the middle of the season what would the program lose? What leadership would some other coach need to replace?

Huge disappointment this year. I personally think it says a lot about our program right now that we are so reliant on 1 player to have hope or not for next season. That speaks volumes about where we are.

That being said, short term, if we keep this team together we can challenge for top 5 in the conference next year.  If you combine that with a top recruiting class to replace Ponds, Clark, Owens etc. then you can maybe build some continuity. I think recruiting for 19 could be tough though. The results just haven't been there.

Mullin needs to tighten everything up. There isn't one detail that shouldn't be evaluated this off-season.

Disappointed too, but there are plenty of solid teams that would be in the league's basement if you removed one guy.  Take Delgado off the Hall; take Kelan Martin off Butler; Foster off Creighton.  None of those teams make the dance and they had 4/5 more wins than we did.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 08, 2018, 08:28:16 PM

Vaccaro nails it.  For a guy with a .388 winning percentage he probably has more job security than any coach in the country.  And that's fine, FOR NOW. But it needs to start changing next year.  Again 2 year plan.  First become relevant next year and then be right there with X and Nova in year 5. 

Absolutely no reason for SJU not to be in that position a year from now.  And I think Chris Mullin would agree.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/08/its-desperately-time-for-st-johns-to-be-great-again/

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