Grading the coaching staff

Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 01:27:30 PM

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Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM

Mullin couldn’t be bothered with this. Our players don’t shake hands because their feelings were hurt. Where is the leadership?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Chris Mack is a peeping Tom
Pointer and Obekpa repeatedly took cheap shots at guys. Where was the leadership?

Where did I say that Pointer and Obekpa provided leadership? Lavin wasn’t the answer. Mullin is f’ing terrible. This thread isn’t about Steve Lavin. It’s about the only coach in the BE arrogant enough to think he could do a job w zero experience.

You asked where was leadership with guys getting angry about a team dunking at the buzzer in a 25 point loss that ended their season. Most normal guys would get mad at that.
Team has shown slight progress every year. Once they decided to let Lavin go they started over. If Lovett had not quit we would be in NIT. If they don't make the NCAA next year gripe away. Pretty sure you, Tony and others are hoping we are not good next year so you can say I told you so. 

Blaming LoVett is pathetic. LoVett didn’t do a horrible job building this roster. I wanted a real coach. If you’re happy with this shit, good for you. They can give him an extension to be Chris Mullin.

And there’s no I told you so next year. I’m telling you that now. I never signed up for a 4 year rebuild.

He quit if he didn't quit and we won 2 more games I would have given Mullin a B

You've come up with that how? He had a knee injury, and didn't play. That knee is worth more than a degree from St.John's.

He quit. I liked Lovett but he was no longer hurt. I am pretty sure you know this too, but if you don't he wasn't for awhile.

And speaking of that Mullin should get credit for not ripping the kid and continuing the farce about him not playing because of  his knee.

Lovett quitting would make Mullin look foolish to everyone except his loyal followers.

Lovett quitting would make Mullin look foolish to everyone except his loyal followers.

That is a stretch even for you. Must be some dump you are taking for you to come up with that gem.

Bottom line is next year is make or break for Mullin. I don't care which side of the fence you fall on. If he doesn't take that next step in terms of wins, many will be calling for his head and rightfully so. Will he survive again if he doesn't take those steps? Probably, because of his name and the money boosters. However many fans won't give a rat's ass about him or the team if these improvements aren't there on the court and they will be calling for his ouster a year from now which will be justified. I'm rooting for it to happen and think we finally have a chance but I won't blindly support someone who doesn't get it done.

The coaching was was a C+ based on the poor roster composition. The best coach in basketball probably squeaks out 3 more wins and some bad ones could have lost 3-5 more IMO.

No excuse entering a season one problem with a starting guard away from disaster. This is NYC where unheralded point guards can compete with anyone. As bad as it was, I think it was a lesson, among a few others, the staff only has to learn once.

My only problems with the staff are how they were so reluctant to go to zone and how they didn't stress offensive rebounding like every great college coach does. Mack said after the game that offensive rebounding is key to them because your shots can't always fall but your effort on the offensive glass is something that can always be there to get you points. It feels like we have four guys running back or standing still 98% of the time when a shot goes up.

I give him them a C. But I want more guys out recruiting hard like Matt

anyone notice the chart looks like its giving the fans the middle finger

Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM

Mullin couldn’t be bothered with this. Our players don’t shake hands because their feelings were hurt. Where is the leadership?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Mullin shook hands yesterday. Didn’t say good game. Walked down the line. Didn’t move his mouth once.

I was sitting right behind Mack and saw Mullin stewing long before the final seconds and dunk. Mullin didn’t say anything because he was pissed that Mack was running it up and it wasn’t just the last 30 seconds when he finally called off the dogs. Did you expect him to congratulate the opposing coach who was allowing his team to rub it in? Would you?

A lot of things Mullin can be criticized for this year. The end of game handshake isn’t one of them.

Boeheim, JT3, Cooley routinely blow by the opposing coach end of game drama or otherwise.

Don't mind what Mullin did in hand shake line. Danny Hurley who gets criticized a lot lost a tough 1 point game to Davidson in A10 final and in the hand shake line he was all smiles, looking every kid in the eye, shaking their hands and looked like he was genuinely congratulating them.

Danny Hurley who gets criticized a lot

Cite a post on this site where where Danny Hurley gets criticized. The baby Jesus is less popular.

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Danny Hurley who gets criticized a lot

Cite a post on this site where where Danny Hurley gets criticized. The baby Jesus is less popular.

Maybe it's that other site or maybe just on BEB. 

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Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM

Mullin couldn’t be bothered with this. Our players don’t shake hands because their feelings were hurt. Where is the leadership?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Mullin shook hands yesterday. Didn’t say good game. Walked down the line. Didn’t move his mouth once.

I was sitting right behind Mack and saw Mullin stewing long before the final seconds and dunk. Mullin didn’t say anything because he was pissed that Mack was running it up and it wasn’t just the last 30 seconds when he finally called off the dogs. Did you expect him to congratulate the opposing coach who was allowing his team to rub it in? Would you?

A lot of things Mullin can be criticized for this year. The end of game handshake isn’t one of them.

Boeheim, JT3, Cooley routinely blow by the opposing coach end of game drama or otherwise.

Never seen Boeheim do that, actually. Never noticed JT3. He’s out of the game anyway.
If Mullin was so pissed, hopefully it inspires him to take control of his program and make sure his staff is recruiting, or putting their stuff in a box. If Mullin is returning, every staff member should be evaluated with the intention of replacing the dead weight - which has got to be more than one lazy f.

Quote from: Celtics11 on March 11, 2018, 07:34:02 PM

Danny Hurley who gets criticized a lot

Cite a post on this site where where Danny Hurley gets criticized. The baby Jesus is less popular.

Why should he get criticized? He would be a home run !!!

Quote from: section3 on March 11, 2018, 07:25:02 PM

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Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM

Mullin couldn’t be bothered with this. Our players don’t shake hands because their feelings were hurt. Where is the leadership?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Mullin shook hands yesterday. Didn’t say good game. Walked down the line. Didn’t move his mouth once.

I was sitting right behind Mack and saw Mullin stewing long before the final seconds and dunk. Mullin didn’t say anything because he was pissed that Mack was running it up and it wasn’t just the last 30 seconds when he finally called off the dogs. Did you expect him to congratulate the opposing coach who was allowing his team to rub it in? Would you?

A lot of things Mullin can be criticized for this year. The end of game handshake isn’t one of them.

Boeheim, JT3, Cooley routinely blow by the opposing coach end of game drama or otherwise.

Never seen Boeheim do that, actually. Never noticed JT3. He’s out of the game anyway.
If Mullin was so pissed, hopefully it inspires him to take control of his program and make sure his staff is recruiting, or putting their stuff in a box. If Mullin is returning, every staff member should be evaluated with the intention of replacing the dead weight - which has got to be more than one lazy f.

they routinely did it whenever they lost. The context was the lack of a kind word to Mack. Didn’t deserve one. Period.

Yo ya'll really upset over handshake lines? Like its been said watch a ton of coaches after a big loss unless they're really close with the other coach who beat them they do the same thing. Breeze right on by.

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Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM

Mullin couldn’t be bothered with this. Our players don’t shake hands because their feelings were hurt. Where is the leadership?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Mullin shook hands yesterday. Didn’t say good game. Walked down the line. Didn’t move his mouth once.

I was sitting right behind Mack and saw Mullin stewing long before the final seconds and dunk. Mullin didn’t say anything because he was pissed that Mack was running it up and it wasn’t just the last 30 seconds when he finally called off the dogs. Did you expect him to congratulate the opposing coach who was allowing his team to rub it in? Would you?

A lot of things Mullin can be criticized for this year. The end of game handshake isn’t one of them.

Boeheim, JT3, Cooley routinely blow by the opposing coach end of game drama or otherwise.

Never seen Boeheim do that, actually. Never noticed JT3. He’s out of the game anyway.
If Mullin was so pissed, hopefully it inspires him to take control of his program and make sure his staff is recruiting, or putting their stuff in a box. If Mullin is returning, every staff member should be evaluated with the intention of replacing the dead weight - which has got to be more than one lazy f.

Coach K criticizes guys on other teams if they do something that bothers him.
Mack is an ass. Mullin did nothing wrong on handshake line. Looking for things to complain about.

Out of conference: A

In conference: D

Be tourn.: B-

Total: C

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Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM

Mullin couldn’t be bothered with this. Our players don’t shake hands because their feelings were hurt. Where is the leadership?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Mullin shook hands yesterday. Didn’t say good game. Walked down the line. Didn’t move his mouth once.

I was sitting right behind Mack and saw Mullin stewing long before the final seconds and dunk. Mullin didn’t say anything because he was pissed that Mack was running it up and it wasn’t just the last 30 seconds when he finally called off the dogs. Did you expect him to congratulate the opposing coach who was allowing his team to rub it in? Would you?

A lot of things Mullin can be criticized for this year. The end of game handshake isn’t one of them.

Boeheim, JT3, Cooley routinely blow by the opposing coach end of game drama or otherwise.

Never seen Boeheim do that, actually. Never noticed JT3. He’s out of the game anyway.
If Mullin was so pissed, hopefully it inspires him to take control of his program and make sure his staff is recruiting, or putting their stuff in a box. If Mullin is returning, every staff member should be evaluated with the intention of replacing the dead weight - which has got to be more than one lazy f.

Coach K criticizes guys on other teams if they do something that bothers him.
Mack is an ass. Mullin did nothing wrong on handshake line. Looking for things to complain about.

No problem with what Chris did or did not do after the game.  If someone was nasty to your kids or your wife, what would you do--say thank you; I don't think so.  Chris responded as I would to someone who disrespected the team.  In the school yard the kid who jammed with 3 seconds to go would be getting a new set of teeth shortly thereafter.

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Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM

Mullin couldn’t be bothered with this. Our players don’t shake hands because their feelings were hurt. Where is the leadership?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Mullin shook hands yesterday. Didn’t say good game. Walked down the line. Didn’t move his mouth once.

I was sitting right behind Mack and saw Mullin stewing long before the final seconds and dunk. Mullin didn’t say anything because he was pissed that Mack was running it up and it wasn’t just the last 30 seconds when he finally called off the dogs. Did you expect him to congratulate the opposing coach who was allowing his team to rub it in? Would you?

A lot of things Mullin can be criticized for this year. The end of game handshake isn’t one of them.

Boeheim, JT3, Cooley routinely blow by the opposing coach end of game drama or otherwise.

Never seen Boeheim do that, actually. Never noticed JT3. He’s out of the game anyway.
If Mullin was so pissed, hopefully it inspires him to take control of his program and make sure his staff is recruiting, or putting their stuff in a box. If Mullin is returning, every staff member should be evaluated with the intention of replacing the dead weight - which has got to be more than one lazy f.

Coach K criticizes guys on other teams if they do something that bothers him.
Mack is an ass. Mullin did nothing wrong on handshake line. Looking for things to complain about.

No problem with what Chris did or did not do after the game.  If someone was nasty to your kids or your wife, what would you do--say thank you; I don't think so.  Chris responded as I would to someone who disrespected the team.  In the school yard the kid who jammed with 3 seconds to go would be getting a new set of teeth shortly thereafter.

Role players dunked and hit 3’s at MSG, during the big east tournament, on national TV? That is what happened right? (Really a question) I was at the game. Lost intrest because the players had enough. Coaches certainly quit. (2 timeouts left when game ended- sitting giving nothing from the bench)
I don’t know how other coaches behave. He looked like a baby. Like it or not he is Chris Mullin, shaking his hand might have meant something from the other guys.
Walkons should have been put in then Xavier would have done the same. I do t blame a kid for wanted to make a big time play at MSG. Our guys could have stopped him.

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Quote from: Poison on March 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM

Mullin couldn’t be bothered with this. Our players don’t shake hands because their feelings were hurt. Where is the leadership?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routed-xavier-big-east-tournament-quarterfinals-article-1.3863498

Mullin shook hands yesterday. Didn’t say good game. Walked down the line. Didn’t move his mouth once.

I was sitting right behind Mack and saw Mullin stewing long before the final seconds and dunk. Mullin didn’t say anything because he was pissed that Mack was running it up and it wasn’t just the last 30 seconds when he finally called off the dogs. Did you expect him to congratulate the opposing coach who was allowing his team to rub it in? Would you?

A lot of things Mullin can be criticized for this year. The end of game handshake isn’t one of them.

Boeheim, JT3, Cooley routinely blow by the opposing coach end of game drama or otherwise.

Never seen Boeheim do that, actually. Never noticed JT3. He’s out of the game anyway.
If Mullin was so pissed, hopefully it inspires him to take control of his program and make sure his staff is recruiting, or putting their stuff in a box. If Mullin is returning, every staff member should be evaluated with the intention of replacing the dead weight - which has got to be more than one lazy f.

Coach K criticizes guys on other teams if they do something that bothers him.
Mack is an ass. Mullin did nothing wrong on handshake line. Looking for things to complain about.

No problem with what Chris did or did not do after the game.  If someone was nasty to your kids or your wife, what would you do--say thank you; I don't think so.  Chris responded as I would to someone who disrespected the team.  In the school yard the kid who jammed with 3 seconds to go would be getting a new set of teeth shortly thereafter.

Role players dunked and hit 3’s at MSG, during the big east tournament, on national TV? That is what happened right? (Really a question) I was at the game. Lost intrest because the players had enough. Coaches certainly quit. (2 timeouts left when game ended- sitting giving nothing from the bench)
I don’t know how other coaches behave. He looked like a baby. Like it or not he is Chris Mullin, shaking his hand might have meant something from the other guys.
Walkons should have been put in then Xavier would have done the same. I do t blame a kid for wanted to make a big time play at MSG. Our guys could have stopped him.

If you are up especially up big at end of game you run out the clock. This is done generally throughout every level. The fact that you do not understand this just confirms you have never played organized ball at any level.
In fact sometimes you will even see team that is getting killed with ball at end of game run out the clock because scoring there is only to pad your stats.