Owens Leaving

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on March 16, 2018, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on March 16, 2018, 12:22:46 PM

Really don't understand this. We had a real shot at the Tournament if he stayed. Now I don't see it. Where is he going to go that could offer a better situation? Plus he's familiar with the school, coaches, teammates and is guaranteed 30+ minutes. A real headscratcher.

Agreed.  Don't get it.

it is pretty obvious that the family doesn't believe this program, coaches, and system can set him up for a pro-career in the NBA.  simple as that.

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on March 16, 2018, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on March 16, 2018, 12:22:46 PM

Really don't understand this. We had a real shot at the Tournament if he stayed. Now I don't see it. Where is he going to go that could offer a better situation? Plus he's familiar with the school, coaches, teammates and is guaranteed 30+ minutes. A real headscratcher.

Agreed.  Don't get it.

it is pretty obvious that the family doesn't believe this program, coaches, and system can set him up for a pro-career in the NBA.  simple as that.

Quote from: redmen4life on March 16, 2018, 01:04:17 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on March 16, 2018, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on March 16, 2018, 12:22:46 PM

Really don't understand this. We had a real shot at the Tournament if he stayed. Now I don't see it. Where is he going to go that could offer a better situation? Plus he's familiar with the school, coaches, teammates and is guaranteed 30+ minutes. A real headscratcher.

Agreed.  Don't get it.

it is pretty obvious that the family doesn't believe this program, coaches, and system can set him up for a pro-career in the NBA.  simple as that.

If the family believes he's an NBA player they're delusional.

Quote from: redmen4life on March 16, 2018, 01:04:17 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on March 16, 2018, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on March 16, 2018, 12:22:46 PM

Really don't understand this. We had a real shot at the Tournament if he stayed. Now I don't see it. Where is he going to go that could offer a better situation? Plus he's familiar with the school, coaches, teammates and is guaranteed 30+ minutes. A real headscratcher.

Agreed.  Don't get it.

it is pretty obvious that the family doesn't believe this program, coaches, and system can set him up for a pro-career in the NBA.  simple as that.

If the family believes he's an NBA player they're delusional.

Quote from: Foad on March 16, 2018, 01:24:20 PM

Quote from: redmen4life on March 16, 2018, 01:04:17 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on March 16, 2018, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on March 16, 2018, 12:22:46 PM

Really don't understand this. We had a real shot at the Tournament if he stayed. Now I don't see it. Where is he going to go that could offer a better situation? Plus he's familiar with the school, coaches, teammates and is guaranteed 30+ minutes. A real headscratcher.

Agreed.  Don't get it.

it is pretty obvious that the family doesn't believe this program, coaches, and system can set him up for a pro-career in the NBA.  simple as that.

If the family believes he's an NBA player they're delusional.

Well than color his father delusional as he even feels his son doesn't necessarily need to put on weight as he compared him to the former Duke one and doner Ingram of the LA Lakers.

Quote from: Foad on March 16, 2018, 01:24:20 PM

Quote from: redmen4life on March 16, 2018, 01:04:17 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on March 16, 2018, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on March 16, 2018, 12:22:46 PM

Really don't understand this. We had a real shot at the Tournament if he stayed. Now I don't see it. Where is he going to go that could offer a better situation? Plus he's familiar with the school, coaches, teammates and is guaranteed 30+ minutes. A real headscratcher.

Agreed.  Don't get it.

it is pretty obvious that the family doesn't believe this program, coaches, and system can set him up for a pro-career in the NBA.  simple as that.

If the family believes he's an NBA player they're delusional.

Tell that to Cedric Jackson who after leaving Norm went on to have a pretty good career with Cleveland St and actually made an NBA roster.

Delusional.  Maybe.  But a change in scenery, message, system, can sometimes do wonders. 

Quote from: Celtics11 on March 16, 2018, 01:33:22 PM

Quote from: Foad on March 16, 2018, 01:24:20 PM

Quote from: redmen4life on March 16, 2018, 01:04:17 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on March 16, 2018, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on March 16, 2018, 12:22:46 PM

Really don't understand this. We had a real shot at the Tournament if he stayed. Now I don't see it. Where is he going to go that could offer a better situation? Plus he's familiar with the school, coaches, teammates and is guaranteed 30+ minutes. A real headscratcher.

Agreed.  Don't get it.

it is pretty obvious that the family doesn't believe this program, coaches, and system can set him up for a pro-career in the NBA.  simple as that.

If the family believes he's an NBA player they're delusional.

Well than color his father delusional as he even feels his son doesn't necessarily need to put on weight as he compared him to the former Duke one and doner Ingram of the LA Lakers.

Are you serious?  He compared his son to Brandon Ingram?  If so, then it's straight-jacket time.

Mullin career wins in conference: 12
Mullin transfers: 9 (Yakwe) could make 10.

Guy is doing a bang up job.  At least he is over .500 in something.

Quote from: rdstr25 on March 16, 2018, 10:19:06 AM

Mullin career wins in conference: 12
Mullin transfers: 9 (Yakwe) could make 10.

Guy is doing a bang up job.  At least he is over .500 in something.

I count 11 guys who left, four of whom transferred; three graduated; two just left and two went pro.

Obekpa: transfer, DNP at UNLV, last seen in Turkey
Jordan: left school, last seen bent over in prison shower
Ellison: transfered to worst program in US, transferring again
Williams: grad transfer, expelled

Sima: transfer, 13 mpg @ Ok St, NIT

Chris Jones: grad transfer to UNLV, which went 11-21

Missini: went pro
Feudenburg: went pro

Lovett: quit due to vaginal injury, tbd
Tariq Olive Oyl: grad transfer, tbd
Holifield: walk on, tbd

Other than the two guys who went pro arguably the player who's had the most success after leaving the program is the walk on
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Its not about what these guys have done at other schools.  Its the fact that Mullin has had a revolving door at SJU.  Every "Big" that mullin has brought in- Gone, except Yakwe who might as well be gone, because he has gotten worse under this staff.  I didn't even count Obepka or Jordan, because kids leaving with a new coach happens alot.  I only mentioned Mullin's kids.   The fact that most left for worse opportunities shows that whats going on under Mullin's is not good.   Each of these kids who left could of helped this program in some way, but instead our jack ass coach decided in year 3 would be a good year to only have 7 or 8 capable guys suit up.  Maybe if we recruited better in our own back yard, or even in the USA, we would not have to deal with kids leaving to go back to their native countries after a year or 2.

Quote from: Poison on March 16, 2018, 02:50:10 AM

Quote from: Marillac on March 15, 2018, 08:21:23 PM

Didn't he post that he wasn't raised to quit "ANYTHING" just a few days ago.
I'd rather have him than not, but it's not a huge loss. He was never going to put in the weight he needed. He'll never find a school that will offer more minutes.

He could find 100 schools that will offer him more minutes.

He played 30+ minutes per game.  Yet there are 100 schools that will offer him more minutes? 

Its not about what these guys have done at other schools.  Its the fact that Mullin has had a revolving door at SJU.  Every "Big" that mullin has brought in- Gone, except Yakwe who might as well be gone, because he has gotten worse under this staff.  I didn't even count Obepka or Jordan, because kids leaving with a new coach happens alot.  I only mentioned Mullin's kids.   The fact that most left for worse opportunities shows that whats going on under Mullin's is not good.   Each of these kids who left could of helped this program in some way, but instead our jack ass coach decided in year 3 would be a good year to only have 7 or 8 capable guys suit up.  Maybe if we recruited better in our own back yard, or even in the USA, we would not have to deal with kids leaving to go back to their native countries after a year or 2.

The problem isn't too many transfers the problem is the talent level is not where it needs to be or where we thought it would be 3 years ago when this coach was hired.

And that has been my mantra for awhile now, for all the talk about having a full roster of his players next year I am less worried about that then having big time players who can make a difference.  The quantity thing is overrated, I want quality.

The  recruiting by this staff has been a MAJOR disappointment 3 years in.  SJU is not getting the type of kids we thought they would land after all the optimism of his hire.  This needs to be emphasized because it is a big reason why they were hired to begin with.

I asked this question a few months ago, if I gave you a list of 2016, 2017, 2018 top area kids, everyone from Rawle Alkins to Mustapha Heron to Nick Richards to Naz Reid to Moses Brown to Quinerly to Muhammad etc, and told you a few weeks after Mullin/Matt/Slice were hired that despite all the optimism 3 years later SJU would whiff on essentially all those recruits (save Ponds) and have completed their 3rd straight losing season in both the League and overall and Slice would be gone in a messy divorce, you would have laughed me off the board.

Except it is all true.

The problem isn't too many transfers the problem is the talent level is not where it needs to be or where we thought it would be 3 years ago when this coach was hired.

And that has been my mantra for awhile now, for all the talk about having a full roster of his players next year I am less worried about that then having big time players who can make a difference.  The quantity thing is overrated, I want quality.

The  recruiting by this staff has been a MAJOR disappointment 3 years in.  SJU is not getting the type of kids we thought they would land after all the optimism of his hire.  This needs to be emphasized because it is a big reason why they were hired to begin with.

I asked this question a few months ago, if I gave you a list of 2016, 2017, 2018 top area kids, everyone from Rawle Alkins to Mustapha Heron to Nick Richards to Naz Reid to Moses Brown to Quinerly to Muhammad etc, and told you a few weeks after Mullin/Matt/Slice were hired that despite all the optimism 3 years later SJU would whiff on essentially all those recruits (save Ponds) and have completed their 3rd straight losing season in both the League and overall and Slice would be gone in a messy divorce, you would have laughed me off the board.

Except it is all true.

Quote from: rdstr25 on March 16, 2018, 03:50:57 PM

Its not about what these guys have done at other schools.  Its the fact that Mullin has had a revolving door at SJU.  Every "Big" that mullin has brought in- Gone, except Yakwe who might as well be gone, because he has gotten worse under this staff.  I didn't even count Obepka or Jordan, because kids leaving with a new coach happens alot.  I only mentioned Mullin's kids.   The fact that most left for worse opportunities shows that whats going on under Mullin's is not good.   Each of these kids who left could of helped this program in some way, but instead our jack ass coach decided in year 3 would be a good year to only have 7 or 8 capable guys suit up.  Maybe if we recruited better in our own back yard, or even in the USA, we would not have to deal with kids leaving to go back to their native countries after a year or 2.

If you're only talking about Mullin's kids then two of them transferred, not nine: Ellison and Sima and I doubt our jackass coach encouraged those two to leave. Sima left mid season and Ellison was his buddy's kid who was scared he was being recruited over, which he was because he wasn't that good. Williams graduated and Yakwe is supposedly on track to graduate.

Anyway I didn't sat the roster churn was good. It's bad. Lack of continuity is bad. Not having enough bodies is bad. It's all very bad. That's pretty obvious. My point to the extent I had one beyond correcting the record is that none of the players who left fared well after doing so and many left what might have been fortunate circumstances for dire ones. Sima and or Williams would have played 30 plus minutes this year and been featured players in the offense, as opposed to being bums, which is what they are. Ellison would have logged major minutes in the BE as opposed to sitting on the bench watching Pitt do worse than St John's, which you wouldn't have thought possible, and now he's going to transfer again and what, sit out another year? I suspect (and being a cynic maybe hope) the same thing will happen to Owens. Because like many of the people who left before him he over estimates his abilities and his prospects, which are minimal.

The problem isn't too many transfers the problem is the talent level is not where it needs to be or where we thought it would be 3 years ago when this coach was hired.

And that has been my mantra for awhile now, for all the talk about having a full roster of his players next year I am less worried about that then having big time players who can make a difference.  The quantity thing is overrated, I want quality.

The  recruiting by this staff has been a MAJOR disappointment 3 years in.  SJU is not getting the type of kids we thought they would land after all the optimism of his hire.  This needs to be emphasized because it is a big reason why they were hired to begin with.

I asked this question a few months ago, if I gave you a list of 2016, 2017, 2018 top area kids, everyone from Rawle Alkins to Mustapha Heron to Nick Richards to Naz Reid to Moses Brown to Quinerly to Muhammad etc, and told you a few weeks after Mull in/Matt/Slice were hired that despite all the optimism 3 years later SJU would whiff on essentially all those recruits (save Ponds) and have completed their 3rd straight losing season in both the League and overall and Slice would be gone in a messy divorce, you would have laughed me off the board.

Except it is all true.

The problem isn't too many transfers the problem is the talent level is not where it needs to be or where we thought it would be 3 years ago when this coach was hired.

And that has been my mantra for awhile now, for all the talk about having a full roster of his players next year I am less worried about that then having big time players who can make a difference.  The quantity thing is overrated, I want quality.

The  recruiting by this staff has been a MAJOR disappointment 3 years in.  SJU is not getting the type of kids we thought they would land after all the optimism of his hire.  This needs to be emphasized because it is a big reason why they were hired to begin with.

I asked this question a few months ago, if I gave you a list of 2016, 2017, 2018 top area kids, everyone from Rawle Alkins to Mustapha Heron to Nick Richards to Naz Reid to Moses Brown to Quinerly to Muhammad etc, and told you a few weeks after Mullin/Matt/Slice were hired that despite all the optimism 3 years later SJU would whiff on essentially all those recruits (save Ponds) and have completed their 3rd straight losing season in both the League and overall and Slice would be gone in a messy divorce, you would have laughed me off the board.

Except it is all true.