BE proposed none or 2 rule

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BE proposed none or 2 rule
« on: March 21, 2018, 06:55:18 PM »
I like the idea. Go straight to draft or you need to play at least 2 years n college

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/976528987047518208

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2018, 07:07:12 PM »
I like the idea. Go straight to draft or you need to play at least 2 years n college

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/976528987047518208

I think this is a fairly terrible idea. Gives players less options and makes their decisions harder. Why should a guy that projects as a mid-to-late 1st round talent out of HS have to decide if he wants to take the chance in the draft or have to burn 2 years in college even if he blows up and improves his draft stock after year 1.

Look at Trae Young this year. He wasn't really at the top of mock drafts before this season and he played himself into the top 10. It would be insane for him to have to stay another year in college even if he's ready for the NBA and his stock can't increase any more.

NYCoffey

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2018, 07:18:57 PM »
True, but it would screw Duke and Kentucky which would be cool.

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2018, 07:21:38 PM »
True, but it would screw Duke and Kentucky which would be cool.

Not really. Might actually end up helping them more than hurting. The best players going to college would still go to Duke and Kentucky and then they'd have them for 2 years each instead of 1

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2018, 08:45:36 PM »
True, but it would screw Duke and Kentucky which would be cool.

Not really. Might actually end up helping them more than hurting. The best players going to college would still go to Duke and Kentucky and then they'd have them for 2 years each instead of 1

Agreed. Wouldn’t effect them at all. If anything it might make them more dangerous because they have these studs for two years.

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2018, 08:48:55 PM »
True, but it would screw Duke and Kentucky which would be cool.

Not really. Might actually end up helping them more than hurting. The best players going to college would still go to Duke and Kentucky and then they'd have them for 2 years each instead of 1

Agreed. Wouldn’t effect them at all. If anything it might make them more dangerous because they have these studs for two years.
It would make the game better. They would be stronger at first. Roster size is the same for everyone. Except St. John’s

Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2018, 08:51:46 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2018, 09:04:24 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2018, 09:07:24 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

Yes

Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2018, 09:13:18 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

Yes

1 What the #$%^ does this have to do with the topic you massive hemorrhoid of this board
2 Are you mad that Richard Freudenberg gets paid more than you?

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2018, 09:15:36 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

Yes

1 What the #$%^ does this have to do with the topic you massive hemorrhoid of this board
2 Are you mad that Richard Freudenberg gets paid more than you?
I was curious. That is why I asked. Should have started a new topic?

Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2018, 09:16:51 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

Yes

1 What the #$%^ does this have to do with the topic you massive hemorrhoid of this board
2 Are you mad that Richard Freudenberg gets paid more than you?
I was curious. That is why I asked. Should have started a new topic?

Yes we can call it the Tony The Troll Megathread so we can see all your thoughts no one cares about in one neat and tidy place.

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2018, 09:34:50 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

Yes

1 What the #$%^ does this have to do with the topic you massive hemorrhoid of this board
2 Are you mad that Richard Freudenberg gets paid more than you?
I was curious. That is why I asked. Should have started a new topic?

Yes we can call it the Tony The Troll Megathread so we can see all your thoughts no one cares about in one neat and tidy place.
Sorry guy. What if i just posted trust the process. Or some other nonsense. Would I be more popular? Or I could put a picture of coach saying get good players. More to coaching then getting good players. He doesn’t get good players by the way. If he they do come they don’t last.
Another question- since you are under 50- why do you like our coach and situation?
Interested in that also.
I am troll because I don’t blame our former coach for everything? Or because I am not happy as I watch failure and laziness.
What would happen at duke if they lost 4 games in a row, let alone 11? What would happen at any school if players just quit ? I don’t complain normally. This is St. John’s Basketball. Losing and players quitting. I watched Tariq ownen’s for 2 years, I thought he did as well as could be expected with his ability. He has another year left and he is leaving. That is a problem. That is not roster churn, that is incompetence.
Instead of calling me names, what am I wrong about?

Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2018, 11:12:17 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

Yes

1 What the #$%^ does this have to do with the topic you massive hemorrhoid of this board
2 Are you mad that Richard Freudenberg gets paid more than you?
I was curious. That is why I asked. Should have started a new topic?

Yes we can call it the Tony The Troll Megathread so we can see all your thoughts no one cares about in one neat and tidy place.
Sorry guy. What if i just posted trust the process. Or some other nonsense. Would I be more popular? Or I could put a picture of coach saying get good players. More to coaching then getting good players. He doesn’t get good players by the way. If he they do come they don’t last.
Another question- since you are under 50- why do you like our coach and situation?
Interested in that also.
I am troll because I don’t blame our former coach for everything? Or because I am not happy as I watch failure and laziness.
What would happen at duke if they lost 4 games in a row, let alone 11? What would happen at any school if players just quit ? I don’t complain normally. This is St. John’s Basketball. Losing and players quitting. I watched Tariq ownen’s for 2 years, I thought he did as well as could be expected with his ability. He has another year left and he is leaving. That is a problem. That is not roster churn, that is incompetence.
Instead of calling me names, what am I wrong about?


Have I ever posted trust the process? Does anyone or are you just on Marvin Clark's (no e at the end of his name BTW) Instagram?

You'd be more popular if you didn't complain every single day. Imagine if you saw someone everyday in real life and they just complained to you over and over again about the same thing. I think they'd stop being your friend. Look what you did, you turned a 2 or none topic into another "I hate Chris Mullin" thread

I'm 28 years old and I don't hate our coach because I can comprehend the situation at hand. He was never my hero, I remember hating him as an Indiana Pacer.

Year 1 he started from the ground up, wins have increased every year. You will mention the Big East wins. It is very true but also I don't care.

If Year 4 is bad, and I mean bad or even if we are 16-17 again something should change. I think most people agree with that. This was not the year to call for his head. They were a postseason team with Lovett and people seem to forget that. But again I'm not into what ifs. Should have a full cupboard of players next year. Players who a lot of people here are already shitting on sight unseen btw.

We are not Duke, never have been. I also don't know or care what would happen over there if it did. But just for reference Coach K's Year 3 was 10-17. Since you brought Duke up.

I think I've posted that the most important thing is roster continuity. It's very much not good that Owens is leaving but people have their own ideas of their worth. Owens thinks he's better than the 5th option on offense. He's not. But that's his idea of his worth. It's hard to keep children happy, winning will. They need to win.

Maybe also the problem lies that a lot of SJU fans are also Mets fans and love to wallow in their own self pity. I myself am a Yankee fan so I'm pretty optimistic always. Helps me being a SJU and Knicks fan.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2018, 11:18:11 PM by HowCouldUBeSoHarkless »

Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2018, 11:41:02 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

Yes

1 What the #$%^ does this have to do with the topic you massive hemorrhoid of this board
2 Are you mad that Richard Freudenberg gets paid more than you?
I was curious. That is why I asked. Should have started a new topic?

Yes we can call it the Tony The Troll Megathread so we can see all your thoughts no one cares about in one neat and tidy place.
Sorry guy. What if i just posted trust the process. Or some other nonsense. Would I be more popular? Or I could put a picture of coach saying get good players. More to coaching then getting good players. He doesn’t get good players by the way. If he they do come they don’t last.
Another question- since you are under 50- why do you like our coach and situation?
Interested in that also.
I am troll because I don’t blame our former coach for everything? Or because I am not happy as I watch failure and laziness.
What would happen at duke if they lost 4 games in a row, let alone 11? What would happen at any school if players just quit ? I don’t complain normally. This is St. John’s Basketball. Losing and players quitting. I watched Tariq ownen’s for 2 years, I thought he did as well as could be expected with his ability. He has another year left and he is leaving. That is a problem. That is not roster churn, that is incompetence.
Instead of calling me names, what am I wrong about?


Have I ever posted trust the process? Does anyone or are you just on Marvin Clark's (no e at the end of his name BTW) Instagram?

You'd be more popular if you didn't complain every single day. Imagine if you saw someone everyday in real life and they just complained to you over and over again about the same thing. I think they'd stop being your friend. Look what you did, you turned a 2 or none topic into another "I hate Chris Mullin" thread

I'm 28 years old and I don't hate our coach because I can comprehend the situation at hand. He was never my hero, I remember hating him as an Indiana Pacer.

Year 1 he started from the ground up, wins have increased every year. You will mention the Big East wins. It is very true but also I don't care.

If Year 4 is bad, and I mean bad or even if we are 16-17 again something should change. I think most people agree with that. This was not the year to call for his head. They were a postseason team with Lovett and people seem to forget that. But again I'm not into what ifs. Should have a full cupboard of players next year. Players who a lot of people here are already shitting on sight unseen btw.

We are not Duke, never have been. I also don't know or care what would happen over there if it did. But just for reference Coach K's Year 3 was 10-17. Since you brought Duke up.

I think I've posted that the most important thing is roster continuity. It's very much not good that Owens is leaving but people have their own ideas of their worth. Owens thinks he's better than the 5th option on offense. He's not. But that's his idea of his worth. It's hard to keep children happy, winning will. They need to win.

Maybe also the problem lies that a lot of SJU fans are also Mets fans and love to wallow in their own self pity. I myself am a Yankee fan so I'm pretty optimistic always. Helps me being a SJU and Knicks fan.
So basically to sum up your post you are 1 wrong baseball team away from being Tony :)

Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2018, 11:42:07 PM »
Meh let them have a year of college who cares?
This is a question. Not a shot. Are other teams losing players to play professional basketball in Europe?

Yes

1 What the #$%^ does this have to do with the topic you massive hemorrhoid of this board
2 Are you mad that Richard Freudenberg gets paid more than you?
I was curious. That is why I asked. Should have started a new topic?

Yes we can call it the Tony The Troll Megathread so we can see all your thoughts no one cares about in one neat and tidy place.
Sorry guy. What if i just posted trust the process. Or some other nonsense. Would I be more popular? Or I could put a picture of coach saying get good players. More to coaching then getting good players. He doesn’t get good players by the way. If he they do come they don’t last.
Another question- since you are under 50- why do you like our coach and situation?
Interested in that also.
I am troll because I don’t blame our former coach for everything? Or because I am not happy as I watch failure and laziness.
What would happen at duke if they lost 4 games in a row, let alone 11? What would happen at any school if players just quit ? I don’t complain normally. This is St. John’s Basketball. Losing and players quitting. I watched Tariq ownen’s for 2 years, I thought he did as well as could be expected with his ability. He has another year left and he is leaving. That is a problem. That is not roster churn, that is incompetence.
Instead of calling me names, what am I wrong about?


Have I ever posted trust the process? Does anyone or are you just on Marvin Clark's (no e at the end of his name BTW) Instagram?

You'd be more popular if you didn't complain every single day. Imagine if you saw someone everyday in real life and they just complained to you over and over again about the same thing. I think they'd stop being your friend. Look what you did, you turned a 2 or none topic into another "I hate Chris Mullin" thread

I'm 28 years old and I don't hate our coach because I can comprehend the situation at hand. He was never my hero, I remember hating him as an Indiana Pacer.

Year 1 he started from the ground up, wins have increased every year. You will mention the Big East wins. It is very true but also I don't care.

If Year 4 is bad, and I mean bad or even if we are 16-17 again something should change. I think most people agree with that. This was not the year to call for his head. They were a postseason team with Lovett and people seem to forget that. But again I'm not into what ifs. Should have a full cupboard of players next year. Players who a lot of people here are already shitting on sight unseen btw.

We are not Duke, never have been. I also don't know or care what would happen over there if it did. But just for reference Coach K's Year 3 was 10-17. Since you brought Duke up.

I think I've posted that the most important thing is roster continuity. It's very much not good that Owens is leaving but people have their own ideas of their worth. Owens thinks he's better than the 5th option on offense. He's not. But that's his idea of his worth. It's hard to keep children happy, winning will. They need to win.

Maybe also the problem lies that a lot of SJU fans are also Mets fans and love to wallow in their own self pity. I myself am a Yankee fan so I'm pretty optimistic always. Helps me being a SJU and Knicks fan.
So basically to sum up your post you are 1 wrong baseball team away from being Tony :)

Yes stay off the Mets kids

Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2018, 09:38:17 AM »
True, but it would screw Duke and Kentucky which would be cool.

Not really. Might actually end up helping them more than hurting. The best players going to college would still go to Duke and Kentucky and then they'd have them for 2 years each instead of 1

I don't think so. Look at how many highly rated recruits transfer out of the big schools on a yearly basis. I don't think a top 30 guy will go to Kentucky when a top 10 guy is already starting at his position.

That's one argument I've heard for paying players that seems like a benefit: schools won't be able to load up on the top end guys so much, not enough (legit) money to go around.

Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2018, 09:39:56 AM »
For the record, I don't hate this idea, I think you should have to do a year or maybe two of college but also get drafted by a pro team. They retain your rights until you are eligible to play. Draft would expand to 3-4 rounds probably.

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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2018, 10:23:28 AM »
True, but it would screw Duke and Kentucky which would be cool.

LOL.  In what world does this screw Duke?  Duke is the best combination of academics/basketball out there.  Once someone HAS to be in school for at least 2 years, parents may care more about academics (rather than just treating it as a apprenticeship year and who cares where it is).  It's also not like it's in bumblef*ck which could hurt some schools if people would dread being stuck there for two years (right, Poison?)

Doubtful it hurts Kentucky either BUT certainly not Duke.

The one and done thing actually hurt Duke for a while until Coach K finally embraced it (and ended up doing it as well or better than Coach Cal).
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Re: BE proposed none or 2 rule
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2018, 11:04:01 AM »
True, but it would screw Duke and Kentucky which would be cool.

Not really. Might actually end up helping them more than hurting. The best players going to college would still go to Duke and Kentucky and then they'd have them for 2 years each instead of 1

Agreed. Wouldn’t effect them at all. If anything it might make them more dangerous because they have these studs for two years.

True, but the studs coming in the following year might have to find a different program to go to.  It would spread the wealth a bit.