April Live Period

Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

Williams is a good prospect, Ponds of course needs not be commented on.  Sid was good but he submarines us.  How much time can Matt alone spend on all the high school prospects when he’s filled multiple rosters already with transfers etc.. by himself?  We need more sharks on the recruiting trail making connections and less guys with zero experience both coaching and recruiting.    We are extremely flawed and missing staff that hustles.  Like I said, outside of Matt, the rest of the staff would never make a recruiting trip if they had the choice about it, and none have any recruiting  connections.  This is getting ridiculous already..  a staff shouldn’t be built so if one recruiter leaves, not a single other person would have a clue what to do...

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

Williams is a good prospect, Ponds of course needs not be commented on.  Sid was good but he submarines us.  How much time can Matt alone spend on all the high school prospects when he’s filled multiple rosters already with transfers etc.. by himself?  We need more sharks on the recruiting trail making connections and less guys with zero experience both coaching and recruiting.    We are extremely flawed and missing staff that hustles.  Like I said, outside of Matt, the rest of the staff would never make a recruiting trip if they had the choice about it, and none have any recruiting  connections.  This is getting ridiculous already..  a staff shouldn’t be built so if one recruiter leaves, not a single other person would have a clue what to do...

+1000

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

Williams is a good prospect, Ponds of course needs not be commented on.  Sid was good but he submarines us.  How much time can Matt alone spend on all the high school prospects when he’s filled multiple rosters already with transfers etc.. by himself?  We need more sharks on the recruiting trail making connections and less guys with zero experience both coaching and recruiting.    We are extremely flawed and missing staff that hustles.  Like I said, outside of Matt, the rest of the staff would never make a recruiting trip if they had the choice about it, and none have any recruiting  connections.  This is getting ridiculous already..  a staff shouldn’t be built so if one recruiter leaves, not a single other person would have a clue what to do...

I said this recruiting cycle but you do bring up a good point that really outside of ponds I'm not thrilled by any of the hs players this staff has brought on.  Williams may be a good prospect but fact of the matter is all the services have him as a three star so that's not going to get my blood pumping especially considering this staff should've been recruiting like their jobs depended on it.  As far as your comment about not having another recruiter and no one knowing what they're doing outside of Matt,  that's the route we chose to take when we exiled slice.

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

Williams is a good prospect, Ponds of course needs not be commented on.  Sid was good but he submarines us.  How much time can Matt alone spend on all the high school prospects when he’s filled multiple rosters already with transfers etc.. by himself?  We need more sharks on the recruiting trail making connections and less guys with zero experience both coaching and recruiting.    We are extremely flawed and missing staff that hustles.  Like I said, outside of Matt, the rest of the staff would never make a recruiting trip if they had the choice about it, and none have any recruiting  connections.  This is getting ridiculous already..  a staff shouldn’t be built so if one recruiter leaves, not a single other person would have a clue what to do...

I said this recruiting cycle but you do bring up a good point that really outside of ponds I'm not thrilled by any of the hs players this staff has brought on.  Williams may be a good prospect but fact of the matter is all the services have him as a three star so that's not going to get my blood pumping especially considering this staff should've been recruiting like their jobs depended on it.  As far as your comment about not having another recruiter and no one knowing what they're doing outside of Matt,  that's the route we chose to take when we exiled slice.

Yes, but teams that wanna compete hire somebody else, and don’t just not hire somebody to replace their assistant head coach.   I don’t disagree we should be recruiting better high school players.  I’m just saying that if you look at the reason we probably are not is because we have one guy doing all the recruiting just to fill a revolving door to fill a roster, and it’s with some very good talent mind you. 

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

Williams is a good prospect, Ponds of course needs not be commented on.  Sid was good but he submarines us.  How much time can Matt alone spend on all the high school prospects when he’s filled multiple rosters already with transfers etc.. by himself?  We need more sharks on the recruiting trail making connections and less guys with zero experience both coaching and recruiting.    We are extremely flawed and missing staff that hustles.  Like I said, outside of Matt, the rest of the staff would never make a recruiting trip if they had the choice about it, and none have any recruiting  connections.  This is getting ridiculous already..  a staff shouldn’t be built so if one recruiter leaves, not a single other person would have a clue what to do...

I said this recruiting cycle but you do bring up a good point that really outside of ponds I'm not thrilled by any of the hs players this staff has brought on.  Williams may be a good prospect but fact of the matter is all the services have him as a three star so that's not going to get my blood pumping especially considering this staff should've been recruiting like their jobs depended on it.  As far as your comment about not having another recruiter and no one knowing what they're doing outside of Matt,  that's the route we chose to take when we exiled slice.

Yes, but teams that wanna compete hire somebody else, and don’t just not hire somebody to replace their assistant head coach.   I don’t disagree we should be recruiting better high school players.  I’m just saying that if you look at the reason we probably are not is because we have one guy doing all the recruiting just to fill a revolving door to fill a roster, and it’s with some very good talent mind you. 

This is what Matt wanted, does not play well with other staff members. He has his hands all over the mess that is this program. Yet, he still gets a pass here

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

Williams is a good prospect, Ponds of course needs not be commented on.  Sid was good but he submarines us.  How much time can Matt alone spend on all the high school prospects when he’s filled multiple rosters already with transfers etc.. by himself?  We need more sharks on the recruiting trail making connections and less guys with zero experience both coaching and recruiting.    We are extremely flawed and missing staff that hustles.  Like I said, outside of Matt, the rest of the staff would never make a recruiting trip if they had the choice about it, and none have any recruiting  connections.  This is getting ridiculous already..  a staff shouldn’t be built so if one recruiter leaves, not a single other person would have a clue what to do...

I said this recruiting cycle but you do bring up a good point that really outside of ponds I'm not thrilled by any of the hs players this staff has brought on.  Williams may be a good prospect but fact of the matter is all the services have him as a three star so that's not going to get my blood pumping especially considering this staff should've been recruiting like their jobs depended on it.  As far as your comment about not having another recruiter and no one knowing what they're doing outside of Matt,  that's the route we chose to take when we exiled slice.

Yes, but teams that wanna compete hire somebody else, and don’t just not hire somebody to replace their assistant head coach.   I don’t disagree we should be recruiting better high school players.  I’m just saying that if you look at the reason we probably are not is because we have one guy doing all the recruiting just to fill a revolving door to fill a roster, and it’s with some very good talent mind you. 

This is what Matt wanted, does not play well with other staff members. He has his hands all over the mess that is this program. Yet, he still gets a pass here

Except for the fact that the current roster is the best and deepest we’ve had in almost 20 years.

Staff + Matt have plenty of flaws in recruiting but we are not Duke or Kansas or Kentucky. Hell, we aren’t even on the same level as Xavier at this point. Assuming Ponds returns the talent will be that of a team that is normally a lock for the NCAA tournament. Not sure how that could be considered a mess. But I guess when you hate the program and like pushing a certain agenda you can spin it that way.

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

Williams is a good prospect, Ponds of course needs not be commented on.  Sid was good but he submarines us.  How much time can Matt alone spend on all the high school prospects when he’s filled multiple rosters already with transfers etc.. by himself?  We need more sharks on the recruiting trail making connections and less guys with zero experience both coaching and recruiting.    We are extremely flawed and missing staff that hustles.  Like I said, outside of Matt, the rest of the staff would never make a recruiting trip if they had the choice about it, and none have any recruiting  connections.  This is getting ridiculous already..  a staff shouldn’t be built so if one recruiter leaves, not a single other person would have a clue what to do...

I said this recruiting cycle but you do bring up a good point that really outside of ponds I'm not thrilled by any of the hs players this staff has brought on.  Williams may be a good prospect but fact of the matter is all the services have him as a three star so that's not going to get my blood pumping especially considering this staff should've been recruiting like their jobs depended on it.  As far as your comment about not having another recruiter and no one knowing what they're doing outside of Matt,  that's the route we chose to take when we exiled slice.

Yes, but teams that wanna compete hire somebody else, and don’t just not hire somebody to replace their assistant head coach.   I don’t disagree we should be recruiting better high school players.  I’m just saying that if you look at the reason we probably are not is because we have one guy doing all the recruiting just to fill a revolving door to fill a roster, and it’s with some very good talent mind you. 

This is what Matt wanted, does not play well with other staff members. He has his hands all over the mess that is this program. Yet, he still gets a pass here

Except for the fact that the current roster is the best and deepest we’ve had in almost 20 years.

Staff + Matt have plenty of flaws in recruiting but we are not Duke or Kansas or Kentucky. Hell, we aren’t even on the same level as Xavier at this point. Assuming Ponds returns the talent will be that of a team that is normally a lock for the NCAA tournament. Not sure how that could be considered a mess. But I guess when you hate the program and like pushing a certain agenda you can spin it that way.

Team is a mess with or without Ponds. He led the team to 8th place. But hey, there's always next I guess. Just finish 6th or better in the Big East, not too much to ask

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Marley Paul‏ @MarleyPaul22

In Indianapolis, St. John’s assistant @gstjean10 watched top targets Jalen Gaffney, Scottie Lewis, Aidan Igiehon, Precious Achiuwa @ UAA then Nike guys Kofi Cockburn, Nate Tabor, Posh Alexander, Jalen Hill today. #sjubb

Seems like Gsj has really been putting in a lot of effort chasing high rated hs prospects lately.  Had never really heard of him doing much recruiting in previous years.  Hopefully his hard work pays dividends.

It won’t.  He’s not a recruiter.  There are guys who do this.  If we lose Abdelmassih, our entire team recruiting would be utterly decimated.  Head coach won’t go on recruiting trips, Mitch just collecting paychecks.   Despite us landing some decent talent it is ALL Matt.  Outside of Matt we have zero connections to anybody on the recruiting trail.   This staff is extremely flawed right now, and we are teetering with how imbalanced our staff is.

While I agree with most of what you said my comment was in regards to HS prospects.  While I'm pleased with some of the transfer talent Matt has brought in I would argue we haven't brought in any hs players this cycle that move the needle for me.

Williams is a good prospect, Ponds of course needs not be commented on.  Sid was good but he submarines us.  How much time can Matt alone spend on all the high school prospects when he’s filled multiple rosters already with transfers etc.. by himself?  We need more sharks on the recruiting trail making connections and less guys with zero experience both coaching and recruiting.    We are extremely flawed and missing staff that hustles.  Like I said, outside of Matt, the rest of the staff would never make a recruiting trip if they had the choice about it, and none have any recruiting  connections.  This is getting ridiculous already..  a staff shouldn’t be built so if one recruiter leaves, not a single other person would have a clue what to do...

I said this recruiting cycle but you do bring up a good point that really outside of ponds I'm not thrilled by any of the hs players this staff has brought on.  Williams may be a good prospect but fact of the matter is all the services have him as a three star so that's not going to get my blood pumping especially considering this staff should've been recruiting like their jobs depended on it.  As far as your comment about not having another recruiter and no one knowing what they're doing outside of Matt,  that's the route we chose to take when we exiled slice.

Yes, but teams that wanna compete hire somebody else, and don’t just not hire somebody to replace their assistant head coach.   I don’t disagree we should be recruiting better high school players.  I’m just saying that if you look at the reason we probably are not is because we have one guy doing all the recruiting just to fill a revolving door to fill a roster, and it’s with some very good talent mind you. 

This is what Matt wanted, does not play well with other staff members. He has his hands all over the mess that is this program. Yet, he still gets a pass here

Except for the fact that the current roster is the best and deepest we’ve had in almost 20 years.

Staff + Matt have plenty of flaws in recruiting but we are not Duke or Kansas or Kentucky. Hell, we aren’t even on the same level as Xavier at this point. Assuming Ponds returns the talent will be that of a team that is normally a lock for the NCAA tournament. Not sure how that could be considered a mess. But I guess when you hate the program and like pushing a certain agenda you can spin it that way.

I could care less what MB thinks because he's a clown, but a couple of things about this coming roster being better than than last 20 years.

1) That's not saying a lot and

2) Go player for player on Lavin's 1st, 4th and 5th year teams.  Where do you think this roster is better?  And trust me I am not suggesting those are great teams.  Ponds, Simon and Dixon are better than Harrison, Jordan and Greene.  Close.  Keita, LJ  and Clark are better than Obekpa, Sampson and Sanchez...not in my book. Coming off the bench who is as good as Dom Pointer??  Who is DJ Kennedy.

You and others are projecting a lot of production from players who for the most part have done little on this level.

You maybe right but you say it with certainty.   Go back and look at some if those teams again.

I could care less what MB thinks because he's a clown, but a couple of things about this coming roster being better than than last 20 years.

1) That's not saying a lot and

2) Go player for player on Lavin's 1st, 4th and 5th year teams.  Where do you think this roster is better?  And trust me I am not suggesting those are great teams.  Ponds, Simon and Dixon are better than Harrison, Jordan and Greene.  Close.  Keita, LJ  and Clark are better than Obekpa, Sampson and Sanchez...not in my book. Coming off the bench who is as good as Dom Pointer??  Who is DJ Kennedy.

You and others are projecting a lot of production from players who for the most part have done little on this level.

You maybe right but you say it with certainty.   Go back and look at some if those teams again.

Yes those teams are close but Lavin’s year 4 and year 5 teams did not have the depth and lineup versatility that this roster currently has. Lavin’s year 4 team is not even close to this one as freshman Rysheed was wildly inefficient and Dom simply wasn’t good as a Jr. Branch was average at best and I was always anti-Obepka.

The year 5 team probably had better top end talent but only had 6 guys and not many lineup options.

A real argument can be made the 2011 roster was better and I won’t argue either way on that roster vs this one. Looking at the current roster on paper I don’t see any reason why this team can’t achieve what that 2011 team did. Unfortunately we don’t have a Mike Dunlap to direct the team here so it may not shake out like that. But the talent and depth is there

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I could care less what MB thinks because he's a clown, but a couple of things about this coming roster being better than than last 20 years.

1) That's not saying a lot and

2) Go player for player on Lavin's 1st, 4th and 5th year teams.  Where do you think this roster is better?  And trust me I am not suggesting those are great teams.  Ponds, Simon and Dixon are better than Harrison, Jordan and Greene.  Close.  Keita, LJ  and Clark are better than Obekpa, Sampson and Sanchez...not in my book. Coming off the bench who is as good as Dom Pointer??  Who is DJ Kennedy.

You and others are projecting a lot of production from players who for the most part have done little on this level.

You maybe right but you say it with certainty.   Go back and look at some if those teams again.

Yes those teams are close but Lavin’s year 4 and year 5 teams did not have the depth and lineup versatility that this roster currently has. Lavin’s year 4 team is not even close to this one as freshman Rysheed was wildly inefficient and Dom simply wasn’t good as a Jr. Branch was average at best and I was always anti-Obepka.

The year 5 team probably had better top end talent but only had 6 guys and not many lineup options.

A real argument can be made the 2011 roster was better and I won’t argue either way on that roster vs this one. Looking at the current roster on paper I don’t see any reason why this team can’t achieve what that 2011 team did. Unfortunately we don’t have a Mike Dunlap to direct the team here so it may not shake out like that. But the talent and depth is there

Depth?  Remember Wright and Careher are not eligible.  Diakite will hardly play.  Roberts and Earlington are very lightly recruited players.  That is 5 kids right there out of 13.  Williams was a non top 100 kid. 

You are giving a lot of points to unproven talent.  A lot.

Quote from: goredmen on April 29, 2018, 05:41:18 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on April 29, 2018, 05:22:05 PM

I could care less what MB thinks because he's a clown, but a couple of things about this coming roster being better than than last 20 years.

1) That's not saying a lot and

2) Go player for player on Lavin's 1st, 4th and 5th year teams.  Where do you think this roster is better?  And trust me I am not suggesting those are great teams.  Ponds, Simon and Dixon are better than Harrison, Jordan and Greene.  Close.  Keita, LJ  and Clark are better than Obekpa, Sampson and Sanchez...not in my book. Coming off the bench who is as good as Dom Pointer??  Who is DJ Kennedy.

You and others are projecting a lot of production from players who for the most part have done little on this level.

You maybe right but you say it with certainty.   Go back and look at some if those teams again.

Yes those teams are close but Lavin’s year 4 and year 5 teams did not have the depth and lineup versatility that this roster currently has. Lavin’s year 4 team is not even close to this one as freshman Rysheed was wildly inefficient and Dom simply wasn’t good as a Jr. Branch was average at best and I was always anti-Obepka.

The year 5 team probably had better top end talent but only had 6 guys and not many lineup options.

A real argument can be made the 2011 roster was better and I won’t argue either way on that roster vs this one. Looking at the current roster on paper I don’t see any reason why this team can’t achieve what that 2011 team did. Unfortunately we don’t have a Mike Dunlap to direct the team here so it may not shake out like that. But the talent and depth is there

Depth?  Remember Wright and Careher are not eligible.  Diakite will hardly play.  Roberts and Earlington are very lightly recruited players.  That is 5 kids right there out of 13.  Williams was a non top 100 kid. 

You are giving a lot of points to unproven talent.  A lot.

Yes I’m well aware who is eligible and who is not this year.

Right now we have Dixon, Trimble and Williams off the bench. That along with the multi-position versatility of Simon, LJ and Clark gives the staff a ton of lineup options depending on the opponent and/or game situation.

Need another scorer in the game? Get Dixon in there. Need a shooter to stretch the D? That’s Trimble. Need a long guard to D up on the perimeter? Go Williams. Don’t need a ton of minutes from those guys for them to give the team what is needed in a game or situation.

This roster can play big or play small. You can play a lineup with 4 shooters and a lineup to D up and get a stop. There are options here that we haven’t had in a long time

Just to compare.  Top 9 guys on 13-14 team, Jordan, Harrison, Obekpa, Sampson, Sanchez, Pointer, Branch, Greene, Achiuwa.  Throw in Bourgalt, Hooper, Balamou and Christian Jones.

Full roster.  That is 6 consensus top 100 players, a top 3 JUCO player and a highly regarded HS guard in Phil Greene.  Achiuwa was also a top 20 JUCO player.

And remember Garrett went to baseball and Harkless went top 15 in NBA 2 years earlier.  Those are 2 additional top 100 players.  And I am being modest a few were top 40 players.

Quote from: fordham96 on April 29, 2018, 05:22:05 PM

I could care less what MB thinks because he's a clown, but a couple of things about this coming roster being better than than last 20 years.

1) That's not saying a lot and

2) Go player for player on Lavin's 1st, 4th and 5th year teams.  Where do you think this roster is better?  And trust me I am not suggesting those are great teams.  Ponds, Simon and Dixon are better than Harrison, Jordan and Greene.  Close.  Keita, LJ  and Clark are better than Obekpa, Sampson and Sanchez...not in my book. Coming off the bench who is as good as Dom Pointer??  Who is DJ Kennedy.

You and others are projecting a lot of production from players who for the most part have done little on this level.

You maybe right but you say it with certainty.   Go back and look at some if those teams again.

Yes those teams are close but Lavin’s year 4 and year 5 teams did not have the depth and lineup versatility that this roster currently has. Lavin’s year 4 team is not even close to this one as freshman Rysheed was wildly inefficient and Dom simply wasn’t good as a Jr. Branch was average at best and I was always anti-Obepka.

The year 5 team probably had better top end talent but only had 6 guys and not many lineup options.

A real argument can be made the 2011 roster was better and I won’t argue either way on that roster vs this one. Looking at the current roster on paper I don’t see any reason why this team can’t achieve what that 2011 team did. Unfortunately we don’t have a Mike Dunlap to direct the team here so it may not shake out like that. But the talent and depth is there

Do you honestly think Lavin would have chased the likes of Earlington and Trimble?
Be serious, he at least recruited kids who first team all-staters.
Don't even try to compare Lavin's teams with Mullin's.
Lavin hustled more battling cancer and a divorce than this entire staff.

Quote from: fordham96 on April 29, 2018, 05:50:36 PM

Quote from: goredmen on April 29, 2018, 05:41:18 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on April 29, 2018, 05:22:05 PM

I could care less what MB thinks because he's a clown, but a couple of things about this coming roster being better than than last 20 years.

1) That's not saying a lot and

2) Go player for player on Lavin's 1st, 4th and 5th year teams.  Where do you think this roster is better?  And trust me I am not suggesting those are great teams.  Ponds, Simon and Dixon are better than Harrison, Jordan and Greene.  Close.  Keita, LJ  and Clark are better than Obekpa, Sampson and Sanchez...not in my book. Coming off the bench who is as good as Dom Pointer??  Who is DJ Kennedy.

You and others are projecting a lot of production from players who for the most part have done little on this level.

You maybe right but you say it with certainty.   Go back and look at some if those teams again.

Yes those teams are close but Lavin’s year 4 and year 5 teams did not have the depth and lineup versatility that this roster currently has. Lavin’s year 4 team is not even close to this one as freshman Rysheed was wildly inefficient and Dom simply wasn’t good as a Jr. Branch was average at best and I was always anti-Obepka.

The year 5 team probably had better top end talent but only had 6 guys and not many lineup options.

A real argument can be made the 2011 roster was better and I won’t argue either way on that roster vs this one. Looking at the current roster on paper I don’t see any reason why this team can’t achieve what that 2011 team did. Unfortunately we don’t have a Mike Dunlap to direct the team here so it may not shake out like that. But the talent and depth is there

Depth?  Remember Wright and Careher are not eligible.  Diakite will hardly play.  Roberts and Earlington are very lightly recruited players.  That is 5 kids right there out of 13.  Williams was a non top 100 kid. 

You are giving a lot of points to unproven talent.  A lot.

Yes I’m well aware who is eligible and who is not this year.

Right now we have Dixon, Trimble and Williams off the bench. That along with the multi-position versatility of Simon, LJ and Clark gives the staff a ton of lineup options depending on the opponent and/or game situation.

Need another scorer in the game? Get Dixon in there. Need a shooter to stretch the D? That’s Trimble. Need a long guard to D up on the perimeter? Go Williams. Don’t need a ton of minutes from those guys for them to give the team what is needed in a game or situation.

This roster can play big or play small. You can play a lineup with 4 shooters and a lineup to D up and get a stop. There are options here that we haven’t had in a long time

You are making completely innocuous predictions based on little knowledge.  Small/Big, have no idea because I care more about productivity.   Outside of Ponds who would start on the 13-14 team,?  Sampson, Obekpa and Jordan would start on this year's team.  Harrison would either start or be first off the bench, Pointer is better and more athletic than anyone coming off the bench for SJU.  Greene is better than Trimble and more experienced than Williams.

Sorry just being objective.

Here is the bottom line.  Even if it is true it is hardly an impressive statement to say the 18-19 roster is best in 20 years, and I don't think it is true.

You may think that is an impressive statement but it's not.

An impressive statement would be this roster will finish top 3 in BE and with impressive recruiting class challenge Nova in 19-20.  Because that is the goal.  Not to be the best roster in 20 years most of those years were utterly lousy teams.