Diakite Gone

Word I got is that the kid never rehabbed properly. Didn't follow doc's recommendations and was playing pickup with students rather than rehabbing. Not the same as he was pre-injury.

Simply wasn't cutting it so got cut.

Word I got is that the kid never rehabbed properly. Didn't follow doc's recommendations and was playing pickup with students rather than rehabbing. Not the same as he was pre-injury.

Simply wasn't cutting it so got cut.

What was he pre injury?

The 17-18 class was not the 3 that left/didn't come.  It was 5.  Folks are forgetting Clark and Simon who are definitely a plus.  If you want to throw dirt then you you should include all facts.  Wilson probably left because he saw Clark in practice and knew he would not start and get major minutes.  We should be thankful Brown blew up before he got here.

That's very true.  Simon and Clark were really good pickups.  Fordham's broader point, I believe, is that you simply cannot strike out a resounding 0-3 with the HS kids in a given year in order to have the type of program and continuity we want.  If you are going to chase a kid like Brown, you deserve all the credit if it works but all the criticism if it does not.  And if Sid Wilson is a shaky commit because of external forces, perhaps the HC should demonstrate knowledge of that issue and pick it off ASAP to make sure the kid is content and not listening to "other" voices in his ear (no knowledge on what Coach did or did not do as it pertains to Wilson, but folks here speculate that he was not around or involved as much as he should have). 

Beyond that, when recruiting kids, many programs spot the obvious "red flags" and move on to others.  One of the biggest criticisms of the prior staff is that they did not do this.  The expectation is we would not be in the same boat for the 2017 class and that we would secure kids who (a) didn't have the associated red flags that would lead to this drama or (b) wanted to be here.

I don't fault them for Diakite.  He was a 4 start NYC recruit from a school that sends kids routinely to D-I programs.  That is the type of kid this board often clamors the staff to focus on.  The kid suffered a bad injury, which is unfortunate, and if he will never be the same, or doesn't have the upside to be the same in the short term, I'd rather use that open scholarship for the big we need this coming season.

Expected. I never understood adding him. Even fully healthy he was a lottery ticket type of player at best. We need skill.

Not a problem but we need to add somebody eligible that is worth adding.  It’s late in the game.

Faulting the staff for not having another player ready to play next year is something I agree with. But with that scholarship going nowhere, giving Diakite the last scholarship last year is a non-issue and, who knows, maybe bought some goodwill for local programs showing we take care of our own.

Fordham's not wrong. Going 0-3 in a recruiting class is really not good. Brown was a red flag, and if there were other attainable recruits we could have had if we shifted energies (Hassan Martin?), than that is a blemish. Sidney Wilson, as much as I think that's a crazy situation, there is a track record of Mullin and the coaches not cultivating relationships once they're on campus to stay (i.e. Darien Williams).

I'll contradict myself a bit here though; I do think we have to also reset expectations in how college basketball recruiting works nowadays. The transfer wire is real and works both ways. While we may lose some guys, we're also going to pick up guys as well. Hearing some of the insiders say we're in on kids who haven't announced their intention to transfer is sketchy, but also shows we're playing the game.

I don't fault them for Diakite.  He was a 4 start NYC recruit from a school that sends kids routinely to D-I programs.  That is the type of kid this board often clamors the staff to focus on.  The kid suffered a bad injury, which is unfortunate, and if he will never be the same, or doesn't have the upside to be the same in the short term, I'd rather use that open scholarship for the big we need this coming season.

He had offers from Pitt, Uconn, S Hall and Rutgers. Had he chosen one of them the same conga line of chronic malcontents who complain that he was given a scholarship would be complaining that he got away.

Yup.  Like I said, don't fault them for signing Diakite.  There would have been plenty of posts about one of those schools taking a 4 star NYC kid if we had not.

I agree, just a shame that he had this injury and hasn't been properly rehabbing it. I liked the signing when it happened, and I'm not upset with the decision for him to leave, it opens up the chance for a player who can really help up this season which we need.

Bryan Trimble is class of 17 as well, right?

Yup.  Like I said, don't fault them for signing Diakite.  There would have been plenty of posts about one of those schools taking a 4 star NYC kid if we had not.

Is this the order of events that happened?

1. St.John’s offered Diakite a scholarship when he was a junior in high school
2. Diakite suffered a serious knee injury that threatened his entire career
3. Upon learning that he could graduate and enroll early, St.John’s decided to begin Diakite’s scholarship one year early so he could rehabilitate while under the watchful eye of the St.John’s Basketball program.
4. Diakite announces his transfer from St.John’s

How is this not an another example of poor judgement from the staff?

Quote from: prjohnnies on May 19, 2018, 05:03:34 PM

Yup.  Like I said, don't fault them for signing Diakite.  There would have been plenty of posts about one of those schools taking a 4 star NYC kid if we had not.

Is this the order of events that happened?

1. St.John’s offered Diakite a scholarship when he was a junior in high school
2. Diakite suffered a serious knee injury that threatened his entire career
3. Upon learning that he could graduate and enroll early, St.John’s decided to begin Diakite’s scholarship one year early so he could rehabilitate while under the watchful eye of the St.John’s Basketball program.
4. Diakite announces his transfer from St.John’s

How is this not an another example of poor judgement from the staff?

Has it had an identifiable and objective negative effect?

Quote from: Poison on May 19, 2018, 10:30:41 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on May 19, 2018, 05:03:34 PM

Yup.  Like I said, don't fault them for signing Diakite.  There would have been plenty of posts about one of those schools taking a 4 star NYC kid if we had not.

Is this the order of events that happened?

1. St.John’s offered Diakite a scholarship when he was a junior in high school
2. Diakite suffered a serious knee injury that threatened his entire career
3. Upon learning that he could graduate and enroll early, St.John’s decided to begin Diakite’s scholarship one year early so he could rehabilitate while under the watchful eye of the St.John’s Basketball program.
4. Diakite announces his transfer from St.John’s

How is this not an another example of poor judgement from the staff?

Has it had an identifiable and objective negative effect?

An objective fan would critique this situation as nothing more than another in a long line of bad decisions. They look incompetent and clueless, because it is always something with Mullin. It appears that the decision to come here didn’t help Diakite with his rehab, and that is the reason why he enrolled early. Clearly it didn’t help St.John’s.

Quote from: survivedc on May 19, 2018, 10:35:59 PM

Quote from: Poison on May 19, 2018, 10:30:41 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on May 19, 2018, 05:03:34 PM

Yup.  Like I said, don't fault them for signing Diakite.  There would have been plenty of posts about one of those schools taking a 4 star NYC kid if we had not.

Is this the order of events that happened?

1. St.John’s offered Diakite a scholarship when he was a junior in high school
2. Diakite suffered a serious knee injury that threatened his entire career
3. Upon learning that he could graduate and enroll early, St.John’s decided to begin Diakite’s scholarship one year early so he could rehabilitate while under the watchful eye of the St.John’s Basketball program.
4. Diakite announces his transfer from St.John’s

How is this not an another example of poor judgement from the staff?

Has it had an identifiable and objective negative effect?

An objective fan would critique this situation as nothing more than another in a long line of bad decisions. They look incompetent and clueless, because it is always something with Mullin. It appears that the decision to come here didn’t help Diakite with his rehab, and that is the reason why he enrolled early. Clearly it didn’t help St.John’s.

At this point you aren't an objective fan. You are simply and clearly anti-Mullin to the point where you will actively root against the team this season so that he won't succeed and you can say I told you so. You will find fault with whatever Mullin does, some of it justified, some of it not. This is not.

You did not answer the question of how this had a negative effect. There's no reason to believe Diakite's rehab would have gone better had he not enrolled at SJU early. He did not take anybody's spot in the one year he was here and now he's gone most likely to make room for somebody else. So again, what negative effect did it have?

Actually Poison is a non-fan of this program. He is a hater, whose own words convict him of being biased towards our coach and our program. Whatever points he thinks he is making are the opinions of an embittered old fool who would rather find fault, than root for and promote the promise our team has for the upcoming year.

Quote from: Poison on May 19, 2018, 10:49:46 PM

Quote from: survivedc on May 19, 2018, 10:35:59 PM

Quote from: Poison on May 19, 2018, 10:30:41 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on May 19, 2018, 05:03:34 PM

Yup.  Like I said, don't fault them for signing Diakite.  There would have been plenty of posts about one of those schools taking a 4 star NYC kid if we had not.

Is this the order of events that happened?

1. St.John’s offered Diakite a scholarship when he was a junior in high school
2. Diakite suffered a serious knee injury that threatened his entire career
3. Upon learning that he could graduate and enroll early, St.John’s decided to begin Diakite’s scholarship one year early so he could rehabilitate while under the watchful eye of the St.John’s Basketball program.
4. Diakite announces his transfer from St.John’s

How is this not an another example of poor judgement from the staff?

Has it had an identifiable and objective negative effect?

An objective fan would critique this situation as nothing more than another in a long line of bad decisions. They look incompetent and clueless, because it is always something with Mullin. It appears that the decision to come here didn’t help Diakite with his rehab, and that is the reason why he enrolled early. Clearly it didn’t help St.John’s.

At this point you aren't an objective fan. You are simply and clearly anti-Mullin to the point where you will actively root against the team this season so that he won't succeed and you can say I told you so. You will find fault with whatever Mullin does, some of it justified, some of it not. This is not.

You did not answer the question of how this had a negative effect. There's no reason to believe Diakite's rehab would have gone better had he not enrolled at SJU early. He did not take anybody's spot in the one year he was here and now he's gone most likely to make room for somebody else. So again, what negative effect did it have?

The staff looks incompetent and clueless yet again. How many college basketball fans of other programs think that Mullin isn't doing a terrible job? I've never met one. Have you? That's what I mean by being objective. How is Mullin viewed outside of the 30 people on this site that love it when he wiggles his toe because he's Chris Mullin and anything he does is great.

Actually Poison is a non-fan of this program. He is a hater, whose own words convict him of being biased towards our coach and our program. Whatever points he thinks he is making are the opinions of an embittered old fool who would rather find fault, than root for and promote the promise our team has for the upcoming year.

Don’t be such a woman.

Objectively, this decision, unlike Zach Brown, shows that the staff knows what it is doing.  They got a 4 star kid from NYC - what everyone clamors for.  He suffered a horrible injury.  When we had a scholly open, they allowed the kid to enroll early to rehab in a better situation.  They did right by the kid, his advisors, his HS, etc.  When it became apparent that the kid could not recover quickly enough to benefit the program, they decided it was best to move on.  Every major program would do the same.

Actually Poison is a non-fan of this program. He is a hater, whose own words convict him of being biased towards our coach and our program. Whatever points he thinks he is making are the opinions of an embittered old fool who would rather find fault, than root for and promote the promise our team has for the upcoming year.

Poison is nothing short of a hero for having the courage to express his opinions on a public forum in spite of his cognitive disability. You should be ashamed of yourself for your elitist and exclusionary approach. We should welcome simple posters like Poison and MJDinkins for their uniqueness -- not shun them because they don't have triple digit IQs. They are special, and their minds are unencumbered with deep thoughts or vast knowledge about the world around them.