Game 2: Bowling Green, 6:30P (FS2, 970 AM)

BG can play. Skilled with a well coached, disciplined offense. What all great coaches do is put their kids in positions to be successful. BG does that with their kids, and they can finish. I look at them and think the MAC must be tough this year if they were picked to finish 6th in their division. But whatever. We lose this game 9 out of 10 times in the last few years. I'll take it. I think the challenge for Mullin is that there is no easy offense to run when your best lineup is between 6'4" and 6'7". A positionless offense means that the ball has to move. Have to get the other team chasing you. Pass, dribble, pass, dribble is a KILLER. I'm not buying Keita yet. Our best lineup is small.

Just got back from Queens, Bowling Green as I suspected was a older, tough nosed team that is improving.

Couple of things:

-The resolve that Shamorie shows on a nightly basis, his will to win is his best quality. He's a winner, battled injury and rose up when it counted most.

-We have a true professional in MH, the kid is smart, poised, crafty and most importantly talented. Will be paid to play for years to come. His defense on Wiggins was tremendous down the stretch considering the height difference.

-I'm proud of the 20 point turnaround, the staff outcoached BG over the last 15 minutes, the on ball pressure D was the difference.

-The biggest lesson that we learned tn is that our freshmen (Earlington, Roberts, and to an extent GWill) aren't ready just yet. That leaves us thinner than we all thought. When you subtract Keita from the lineup the way it happened tonight, boy are we small. We're going to have to show resolve and toughness throughout our schedule to overcome our lack of size. It worked tonight, but what happens against Rutgers frontline next Friday night? We have to adapt.

2-0

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Quote from: Marillac on November 09, 2018, 08:41:38 PM

Well I think all you guys whining about a tougher schedule just learned a lesson tonight. Too many new players and time will be needed.

? We beat an NIT team tonight. Schedule can't be any tougher than it already is

Keep building those strawmen nice person. You proposed the bet tough guy and then ignored me. Give me 8-1 odds on BG winning 20 or more games if you are so confident they are a cupcake. Hell, give me 5-1.

Here's what happened:

You: Bowling Green is a likely NIT team
Me: No they aren't. I'll give you 8/1 that they make the NIT.
You: I want 8/1 that they will win 20 games.
Me: No, you said NIT team. Hell, I'll give you 10/1 that they make the NIT.
You: You proposed a bet and now you're ignoring me!

I'll give you 15/1 on Bowling Green being an NIT team this year. That seems like a slam dunk bet to make for something that's likely to happen, is it not?

I said they look "like likely"an NIT team not that they were "likely." It was a typo. I'm not going to bet who a committee picks...automatic bids go out to conference winners and that could dwindle the at-larges to next to nothing.

I guarantee they win 20+ games. Cupcakes don't win 20+ games in the MAC. You're so sure they are a cupcake...take the bet. If not shut the f*ck up about the schedule.

https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1061110225762172928

By the way, Cal is 5 point underdogs against Yale on a neutral court tonight. That is our 3rd best OOC game. Unless Bowling Green is which maybe they are. I'm sure that won't hurt in March

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The coaching is still lacking and will bite us against better teams. To put it in perspective, BG was definitely the better coached team tonight. But talent prevailed. Let's just keep getting wins.

The coaches cant make Fts or improve Pond's shot selection.  I do put the inconsistent perimeter defense on the coaching staff

It's a lot more than missed FT's or shot selection. Just watch the other team. They backscreened, moved without the ball, always made the extra pass and almost stole the game. Like I said, SJU had superior talent but the coaching is still deficient. It's not hard to spot.

Heron, Figgy, Keita, Dixon, and three freshman are all playing for the first time. We need time to let things shake out and guys to find their places. I think tonight was a big step in that direction. Heron is wrestling that second perimeter option away from Simon--who will have to adjust to playing 12 feet and in.

I said on the other site after the game he played well that I did not think Dixon's game will translate because of how small and frail he is.
And that was on offensive end. He played the worst most uninterested defense I think I have seen from a ST John's guard.

I think for the role he plays he's solid. He's quick and capable. I think game to game we'll see different guys step up

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Quote from: Marillac on November 09, 2018, 09:07:37 PM

Quote from: goredmen on November 09, 2018, 08:51:02 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 09, 2018, 08:41:38 PM

Well I think all you guys whining about a tougher schedule just learned a lesson tonight. Too many new players and time will be needed.

? We beat an NIT team tonight. Schedule can't be any tougher than it already is

Keep building those strawmen nice person. You proposed the bet tough guy and then ignored me. Give me 8-1 odds on BG winning 20 or more games if you are so confident they are a cupcake. Hell, give me 5-1.

Here's what happened:

You: Bowling Green is a likely NIT team
Me: No they aren't. I'll give you 8/1 that they make the NIT.
You: I want 8/1 that they will win 20 games.
Me: No, you said NIT team. Hell, I'll give you 10/1 that they make the NIT.
You: You proposed a bet and now you're ignoring me!

I'll give you 15/1 on Bowling Green being an NIT team this year. That seems like a slam dunk bet to make for something that's likely to happen, is it not?

I said they look "like likely"an NIT team not that they were "likely." It was a typo. I'm not going to bet who a committee picks...automatic bids go out to conference winners and that could dwindle the at-larges to next to nothing.

I guarantee they win 20+ games. Cupcakes don't win 20+ games in the MAC. You're so sure they are a cupcake...take the bet. If not shut the f*ck up about the schedule.

https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1061110225762172928

By the way, Cal is 5 point underdogs against Yale on a neutral court tonight. That is our 3rd best OOC game. Unless Bowling Green is which maybe they are. I'm sure that won't hurt in March

Our next three games are @Rutgers, Cal on a neutral court, and then probably Temple (NIT last year) on a neutral court). Then we play soon to be #1 Duke in Cameron. What the hell is wrong with you? Do you think we are a top 15 team? We just barely beat Bowling Green at home and you are crying about tougher opponents? We need these wins!  I bet this idiot didn't even see Duke in January.

We also have Ga Tech and Princeton.

I don't think you appreciate the fact that we play seven very losable games (5 away from home). We will be probably Vegas underdogs in Rutgers.

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Quote from: Marillac on November 09, 2018, 08:41:38 PM

Well I think all you guys whining about a tougher schedule just learned a lesson tonight. Too many new players and time will be needed.

? We beat an NIT team tonight. Schedule can't be any tougher than it already is

Keep building those strawmen nice person. You proposed the bet tough guy and then ignored me. Give me 8-1 odds on BG winning 20 or more games if you are so confident they are a cupcake. Hell, give me 5-1.

Here's what happened:

You: Bowling Green is a likely NIT team
Me: No they aren't. I'll give you 8/1 that they make the NIT.
You: I want 8/1 that they will win 20 games.
Me: No, you said NIT team. Hell, I'll give you 10/1 that they make the NIT.
You: You proposed a bet and now you're ignoring me!

I'll give you 15/1 on Bowling Green being an NIT team this year. That seems like a slam dunk bet to make for something that's likely to happen, is it not?

I said they look "like likely"an NIT team not that they were "likely." It was a typo. I'm not going to bet who a committee picks...automatic bids go out to conference winners and that could dwindle the at-larges to next to nothing.

I guarantee they win 20+ games. Cupcakes don't win 20+ games in the MAC. You're so sure they are a cupcake...take the bet. If not shut the f*ck up about the schedule.

https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1061110225762172928

By the way, Cal is 5 point underdogs against Yale on a neutral court tonight. That is our 3rd best OOC game. Unless Bowling Green is which maybe they are. I'm sure that won't hurt in March

Our next three games are @Rutgers, Cal on a neutral court, and then probably Temple (NIT last year) on a neutral court). Then we play soon to be #1 Duke in Cameron. What the hell is wrong with you? Do you think we are a top 15 team? We just barely beat Bowling Green at home and you are crying about tougher opponents? We need these wins!  I bet this idiot didn't even see Duke in January.

We also have Ga Tech and Princeton.

I don't think you appreciate the fact that we play seven very losable games (5 away from home). We will be probably Vegas underdogs in Rutgers.

Again, this isn't the only guy saying it. Zach wrote an entire article about how bad the schedule is. Rothstein has mentioned it multiple times. It's going to be an issue in March.

You obviously don't understand how college basketball and the selection committee works. We don't gain anything by beating nothing but a bunch of absolutely crappy teams, which is what our schedule is. Sure, we can lose to anybody as we well know here, but that doesn't mean we should avoid scheduling quality teams. This is the make or break season for Mullin and this staff. This is the best team we've had in years. Getting zero Quad 1 wins in OOC and only a couple of Quad 2 wins could be the difference between getting a 5 seed and getting an 8 seed. Would you rather play Kansas or Clemson to get to the Sweet 16? Obviously, that's looking way ahead but it just shows that this schedule is a real disservice to this current group.

You continue to VASTLY overrate our opponents. Cal is down 16 to Yale as I type this, and just a couple weeks ago you were stating how that is going to be a decent win for us because they are a power conference team so that must mean they are good.

We will absolutely not be underdogs to Rutgers. We will be 3-5 point favorites.

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Quote from: Marillac on November 09, 2018, 09:07:37 PM

Quote from: goredmen on November 09, 2018, 08:51:02 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 09, 2018, 08:41:38 PM

Well I think all you guys whining about a tougher schedule just learned a lesson tonight. Too many new players and time will be needed.

? We beat an NIT team tonight. Schedule can't be any tougher than it already is

Keep building those strawmen nice person. You proposed the bet tough guy and then ignored me. Give me 8-1 odds on BG winning 20 or more games if you are so confident they are a cupcake. Hell, give me 5-1.

Here's what happened:

You: Bowling Green is a likely NIT team
Me: No they aren't. I'll give you 8/1 that they make the NIT.
You: I want 8/1 that they will win 20 games.
Me: No, you said NIT team. Hell, I'll give you 10/1 that they make the NIT.
You: You proposed a bet and now you're ignoring me!

I'll give you 15/1 on Bowling Green being an NIT team this year. That seems like a slam dunk bet to make for something that's likely to happen, is it not?

I said they look "like likely"an NIT team not that they were "likely." It was a typo. I'm not going to bet who a committee picks...automatic bids go out to conference winners and that could dwindle the at-larges to next to nothing.

I guarantee they win 20+ games. Cupcakes don't win 20+ games in the MAC. You're so sure they are a cupcake...take the bet. If not shut the f*ck up about the schedule.

https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1061110225762172928

By the way, Cal is 5 point underdogs against Yale on a neutral court tonight. That is our 3rd best OOC game. Unless Bowling Green is which maybe they are. I'm sure that won't hurt in March

Our next three games are @Rutgers, Cal on a neutral court, and then probably Temple (NIT last year) on a neutral court). Then we play soon to be #1 Duke in Cameron. What the hell is wrong with you? Do you think we are a top 15 team? We just barely beat Bowling Green at home and you are crying about tougher opponents? We need these wins!  I bet this idiot didn't even see Duke in January.

We also have Ga Tech and Princeton.

I don't think you appreciate the fact that we play seven very losable games (5 away from home). We will be probably Vegas underdogs in Rutgers.

Again, this isn't the only guy saying it. Zach wrote an entire article about how bad the schedule is. Rothstein has mentioned it multiple times. It's going to be an issue in March.

You obviously don't understand how college basketball and the selection committee works. We don't gain anything by beating nothing but a bunch of absolutely crappy teams, which is what our schedule is. Sure, we can lose to anybody as we well know here, but that doesn't mean we should avoid scheduling quality teams. This is the make or break season for Mullin and this staff. This is the best team we've had in years. Getting zero Quad 1 wins in OOC and only a couple of Quad 2 wins could be the difference between getting a 5 seed and getting an 8 seed. Would you rather play Kansas or Clemson to get to the Sweet 16? Obviously, that's looking way ahead but it just shows that this schedule is a real disservice to this current group.

You continue to VASTLY overrate our opponents. Cal is down 16 to Yale as I type this, and just a couple weeks ago you were stating how that is going to be a decent win for us because they are a power conference team so that must mean they are good.

We will absolutely not be underdogs to Rutgers. We will be 3-5 point favorites.

Stop attributing quotes to me that I never wrote. I said we need one of our OOC opponents besides Duke to be a quad 1 game...that includes Cal, Rutgers, Ga Tech, or VCU/Temple.

For a team like St. John's you have to assume each away game against a major conference foe is a loss. We probably don't even bear BG tonight if it was away. And then most bubble-type teams lose one game against someone they shouldn't. Even the 85 Final Four team lost @Niagara.

How are neutral site games against Cal, Vcu/Temple, GTECH; road games at Rutgers and Duke; and home against Princeton components of a cakewalk schedule for us?


We're St. Johns.  What's a quad?

So I was at the game and my first question for anyone watching at home was what happened to Keita, I don't remember him getting hurt in his four minutes to start the game and I didn't see him on the bench. What's the deal with that they could have used his big body me thinks.

Secondly, Mullin benching Ponds and Heron for a stretch early in the second half really turned out huge. Not only did it seriously light a fire under Ponds who looked bored and out of it in the first half but man Trimble played some insane, tenacious defense and was vocal and active getting his teammates involved. He didn't attempt a shot and was a huge reason I believe why we won. Mullin even in the press conference noted he got a huge rebound during his stretch out there. It was very noticeable to me his impact up in the nosebleeds but I didn't see anyone on here talking about it.

So I was at the game and my first question for anyone watching at home was what happened to Keita, I don't remember him getting hurt in his four minutes to start the game and I didn't see him on the bench. What's the deal with that they could have used his big body me thinks.

Secondly, Mullin benching Ponds and Heron for a stretch early in the second half really turned out huge. Not only did it seriously light a fire under Ponds who looked bored and out of it in the first half but man Trimble played some insane, tenacious defense and was vocal and active getting his teammates involved. He didn't attempt a shot and was a huge reason I believe why we won. Mullin even in the press conference noted he got a huge rebound during his stretch out there. It was very noticeable to me his impact up in the nosebleeds but I didn't see anyone on here talking about it.

Except, he didn't bench Ponds to light a fire under him.  Ponds has what he is calling a "minor knee issue", and there were times, both on the bench and on the court, where he was limping.  So, I think that "bored and out of it" thing you mentioned, was at least partially physical.

Keita also has a knee issue, apparently.  Staff seems less optimistic re: his immediate situation, FWIW.  He was riding the stationary bike virtually the entire game, except for early in the second half, when Ponds was using it.

And by the way, Buffalo beat #13 West Virginia in overtime. The MAC is a pretty good conference. Just saying...

And by the way, Buffalo beat #13 West Virginia in overtime. The MAC is a pretty good conference. Just saying...

Buffalo has a very good system in place. Hurley laid the foundation and this coach has continued it. Perfect example of what good coaching can do with lesser talent.

Any word on Keita’s injury? Will he play in the next game?

It’s really not a big deal, the staff can just put in one of their other capable big men in his absence because they of course anticipated this being a problem at some point during the season because they’re not careless or anything.

Any word on Keita’s injury? Will he play in the next game?

It’s really not a big deal, the staff can just put in one of their other capable big men in his absence because they of course anticipated this being a problem at some point during the season because they’re not careless or anything.

Zach said it wasn’t believed to be serious

Any word on Keita’s injury? Will he play in the next game?

It’s really not a big deal, the staff can just put in one of their other capable big men in his absence because they of course anticipated this being a problem at some point during the season because they’re not careless or anything.

Doctors don't think there is any structural damage. Getting MRI today but think he's questionable for Rutgers.

And by the way, Buffalo beat #13 West Virginia in overtime. The MAC is a pretty good conference. Just saying...

Good mid major league. This is better win than typical game #2 than we've had in past.

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So I was at the game and my first question for anyone watching at home was what happened to Keita, I don't remember him getting hurt in his four minutes to start the game and I didn't see him on the bench. What's the deal with that they could have used his big body me thinks.

Secondly, Mullin benching Ponds and Heron for a stretch early in the second half really turned out huge. Not only did it seriously light a fire under Ponds who looked bored and out of it in the first half but man Trimble played some insane, tenacious defense and was vocal and active getting his teammates involved. He didn't attempt a shot and was a huge reason I believe why we won. Mullin even in the press conference noted he got a huge rebound during his stretch out there. It was very noticeable to me his impact up in the nosebleeds but I didn't see anyone on here talking about it.

Except, he didn't bench Ponds to light a fire under him.  Ponds has what he is calling a "minor knee issue", and there were times, both on the bench and on the court, where he was limping.  So, I think that "bored and out of it" thing you mentioned, was at least partially physical.

Keita also has a knee issue, apparently.  Staff seems less optimistic re: his immediate situation, FWIW.  He was riding the stationary bike virtually the entire game, except for early in the second half, when Ponds was using it.

Interesting, again I was there so I am a little out of the loop but thank you. He was noticeably running strangely but I never put that together. Whatever it was though it worked he looked completely different when he was put back in. Or maybe he was just inspired by the dance teams mancer. He was incredible. You never know.

Trimbles D was very good. Impacting the game without taking a shot was something I didnt envision from him. Good for him and good for us.

Trimbles D was very good. Impacting the game without taking a shot was something I didnt envision from him. Good for him and good for us.

That’s great news. He looked like he was working hard on tv. But you really can’t tell unless you are there

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Trimbles D was very good. Impacting the game without taking a shot was something I didnt envision from him. Good for him and good for us.

That’s great news. He looked like he was working hard on tv. But you really can’t tell unless you are there

It was impressive live Tony. He was locked in, was getting his teammates hyped to play defense he was very vocal. It's like he knew exactly what we needed to win the game was to lock in on D and not for him to chuck threes. Smart kid.