Game 10: Wagner

Norm was horrible but if memory serves me correct we would start games out well and have meltdowns like Hofstra etc

Before the narrative is changed. Who cares? Norm is gone. This team is not prepared, that had nothing to do with norm.

If they aren't prepared for the first half and they play completely different the 2nd half isnt it fair to say somehow they were prepared at halftime ?

If they aren't prepared for the first half and they play completely different the 2nd half isnt it fair to say somehow they were prepared at halftime ?

No more excuses. Not the cupard, cupboard, or the staircase.

Why does any of that matter? People are so focused on these polls and these rankings. The only rankings that matter are the ones that happen at the end of the year. We are 10-0 for the first time in a million years. If we blow a team out, it won't matter to those people anyway because of the schedule that they hate. I have hope in December for the first time in a decade. I hope others join me in keepikg the hope alive.

It is indicative of underperforming despite not losing. The excitement isn’t off the charts because we are actually underachieving a bit. 10-0 is awesome but it won’t start to feel exciting until we beat a NCAA tourney team.

It is indicative of underperforming

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we are actually underachieving

Our OOC schedule in the 199-2000 was this: Samford (a loss, by the way) and New Mexico in the Vaunted CoSIDA CLassic, Stony Brook, Coppin St., St. Francis, Niagra, DePaul, Sacred Heart, Hofstra and Duke.

I'm sure our KenPom rating would have sucked then, too. I mean, seriously. You're not excited about this year because the computer tells you so? Sad. You're no TONYD3, but that attitude is bumming me out,

Quote from: ihateuconn on December 16, 2018, 11:09:45 PM

Our OOC schedule in the 199-2000 was this: Samford (a loss, by the way) and New Mexico in the Vaunted CoSIDA CLassic, Stony Brook, Coppin St., St. Francis, Niagra, DePaul, Sacred Heart, Hofstra and Duke.

I'm sure our KenPom rating would have sucked then, too. I mean, seriously. You're not excited about this year because the computer tells you so? Sad. You're no TONYD3, but that attitude is bumming me out, bro.

You asked why there was no excitement on the board. I gave you the answer. I don’t care on a personal level. 10-0 is excellent.

Underachieve means "to do less well than expected." Seriously, what were your expectations? Did you think they'd be 13-0 after 10 games? Would you be happy if they'd won their last three by 25 instead of 15? I've been a SJ fan for a very long time and what I've come to expect is that something awful is going to happen sooner rather than later. Not you though. Your expectations are that SJ is going to win all their games by 40 points, because that is what Ken Pomeroy hath decreed. So let it be written. So let it be done.

Personally I don't think they're "underachieving." I think they're not playing as well as they're going to be playing in a month. Which is good, because it's December and nobody wins anything in December.

Underachieve means "to do less well than expected." Seriously, what were your expectations? Did you think they'd be 13-0 after 10 games? Would you be happy if they'd won their last three by 25 instead of 15? I've been a SJ fan for a very long time and what I've come to expect is that something awful is going to happen sooner rather than later. Not you though. Your expectations are that SJ is going to win all their games by 40 points, because that is what Ken Pomeroy hath decreed. So let it be written. So let it be done.

Personally I don't think they're "underachieving." I think they're not playing as well as they're going to be playing in a month. Which is good, because it's December and nobody wins anything in December.

Again, not my expectations. I was just addressing the question of lacking excitement over a 10-0 start.

If we were ranked, say, 28 in KenPom, we’d be ranked in the AP poll right now. With our schedule, the only way to do that is to win by greater than expected margins. We’ve done the opposite.

Fortunately for me I don't care where they're ranked by KenPom in December, so I'm pretty happy. Or at least I was, till I went over to KP to have a look see. First thing I noticed was that SJ's NCSOSAdjEM was -6.63. That's completely unacceptable and embarrassing. Then I saw that there's a team called Saint Mary's, they're 7-5, with losses to 4-5 Harvard (#97) and UC Irvine (#87) and they're three slots ahead of undefeated SJU. I guess if I understood maths better I could figure out why being 7-5 is better than being 10-0. But I don't. Thanks for ruining it for me.

Fair stance. Not everyone shares it, which is one explanation for the lack of “excitement.”

I regret trying to clarify this dynamic.

Again, not my expectations. I was just addressing the question of lacking excitement over a 10-0 start.

Good crowd no doubt on a bad whether day but if you were there as I was you know it was not close to a sell out. Been to all CA games and crowd was about the same as last few that is the third deck was less than half full.