Past Opponents' Performance

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Bowling Green beat now 11-3 Kent State yesterday on the road by 22.  Over its last 5 games, BG is 5-0 and has won by an average of 20 points!

VCU trounced now 9-5 Fordham by 25. They are now ranked #19 in the RPI and #55 in the NET--very close to quadrant 1 game for us.

Georgia Tech beat Wake Forest by 13 at home to improve to 9-5 on the year.

Rutgers lost to Maryland by 14 to fall to 7-6 on the year.

Cal can't beat anyone, but they do keep in respectable.  They lost @ USC by 9 and @UCLA by 15.  Hopefully they can pull out a win over Arizona St. or Arizona in the two home games they have coming up. 

Princeton just beat now 10-5 Penn (who previously beat Nova) and have now won three in a row @ Lafayette, @ #16 Arizona St., and home over Penn.  That's a damn nice run and very helpful for us.

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Bowling Green beat now 11-3 Kent State yesterday on the road by 22.  Over its last 5 games, BG is 5-0 and has won by an average of 20 points!

VCU trounced now 9-5 Fordham by 25. They are now ranked #19 in the RPI and #55 in the NET--very close to quadrant 1 game for us.

Georgia Tech beat Wake Forest by 13 at home to improve to 9-5 on the year.

Rutgers lost to Maryland by 14 to fall to 7-6 on the year.

Cal can't beat anyone, but they do keep in respectable.  They lost @ USC by 9 and @UCLA by 15.  Hopefully they can pull out a win over Arizona St. or Arizona in the two home games they have coming up. 

Princeton just beat now 10-5 Penn (who previously beat Nova) and have now won three in a row @ Lafayette, @ #16 Arizona State, and home over Penn.  That's a damn nice run and very helpful for us.

Good stuff. Arizona St. Things are definitely trending up for us.

Good stuff. Arizona St. Things are definitely trending up for us.

Good catch. 

We will be well served if VCU and Marquette can stay quad 1 wins.  It'd be nice to see BG and/or Princeton work it's way up to a tournament team and a Quad 2 game.

Some guy does this every year on the Iona board. Alot of work, but it's always the longest thread every year. Great come tournament time

Rutgers beat #16 Ohio State.

VCU beat La Salle.

Ga Tech lost by 3 to #9 Va Tech.

Bowling Green won yet another big improving to 6-0 with an average margin of victory of 20 points per game in that stretch. Next up a road game at a very tough 13-2 Central Michigan Saturday.

Cal up 2 at the half home v. Arizona State.

Also Temple just gave #17 Houston its first loss. That helps VCU and Nova which indirectly helps us.

Temple is 12-3.

Bowling Green fresh off a 10 pt win @ 13-3 Central Michigan will face NET #88 Ball State at home tonight.  They've won 7 in a row by double digits.

Georgia Tech's blowout of Cuse looks better this morning.

Bowling Green was a tough out and their experience is showing. Best rebounding team in the country.

VCU/Wagner or STFrancis/BG/Princeton can all win their respective conferences.

Bowling Green wins its 8th in a row beating #88 Net/#92 KenPom ranked Ball St. after beating #108 Central Michigan over the weekend.

They are now 12-5, 4-0. GoRedmen looking quite silly.

Bowling Green wins its 8th in a row beating #88 Net/#92 KenPom ranked Ball St. after beating #108 Central Michigan over the weekend.

They are now 12-5, 4-0. GoRedmen looking quite silly.

Are you still trying to convince yourself the non conference schedule wasn’t weak? You still might be the only one that believes that

Are you still trying to convince yourself the non conference schedule wasn’t weak? You still might be the only one that believes that

Caught him!

Your prognostications aren't aging well.

"Hey, remember when you said Bowling Green wasn't a cupcake? How's that looking after they just got their doors blown off by a bottom 75 team a day after needing a buzzer beater to beat another bottom 75 team?"

- They've won 8 in a row and have back to back wins against teams ranked 108 and 88 in the NET. So it's looking good!

"VCU is an average team in an average conference." - Bracketology has then ranked #40 and gives them a 72% chance to make the tournament (we are at 51%).

And you thought we'd be "getting zero Quad 1 wins in OOC and only a couple of Quad 2 wins." Temple and VCU are quad 1 games now--although on the border. Rutgers and Ga Tech are comfortable quad 2 games. Duke is a very comfortable Quad 1 game looming. BG is coming up on a quad 2 game as well.

"Georgia is not a top 100 team." -They are #71 in the NETand #80 on KenPom.

The two statements I made that sparked most of our debate were:

"I GUARANTEE this Bowling Green team wins at least 20 games."

-I'd say an 8-0 run to get 12-5 is well on the way to 20 wins and I'll double down on that now.

"Cal, Ga Tech and Temple/VCU are the teams you want to play on neutral courts. That is likely one tier one opponent (1-50 on neutral court) and a pair of tier two opponents (51-100 on neutral court). @Rutgers is almost certainly a tier 2 game (76-135 on the road). Duke is obvious a high tier 1."

-Well, that is spot on thus far. Temple is a quad 1 one. VCU and Ga Tech are quad 1 or 2, Rutgers is quad 2, and Duke is quad 1.

Caught him!

Your prognostications aren't aging well.

"Hey, remember when you said Bowling Green wasn't a cupcake? How's that looking after they just got their doors blown off by a bottom 75 team a day after needing a buzzer beater to beat another bottom 75 team?"

- They've won 8 in a row and have back to back wins against teams ranked 108 and 88 in the NET. So it's looking good!

"VCU is an average team in an average conference." - Bracketology has then ranked #40 and gives them a 72% chance to make the tournament (we are at 51%).

And you thought we'd be "getting zero Quad 1 wins in OOC and only a couple of Quad 2 wins." Temple and VCU are quad 1 games now--although on the border. Rutgers and Ga Tech are comfortable quad 2 games. Duke is a very comfortable Quad 1 game looming. BG is coming up on a quad 2 game as well.

"Georgia is not a top 100 team." -They are #71 in the NETand #80 on KenPom.

The two statements I made that sparked most of our debate were:

"I GUARANTEE this Bowling Green team wins at least 20 games."

-I'd say an 8-0 run to get 12-5 is well on the way to 20 wins and I'll double down on that now.

"Cal, Ga Tech and Temple/VCU are the teams you want to play on neutral courts. That is likely one tier one opponent (1-50 on neutral court) and a pair of tier two opponents (51-100 on neutral court). @Rutgers is almost certainly a tier 2 game (76-135 on the road). Duke is obvious a high tier 1."

-Well, that is spot on thus far. Temple is a quad 1 one. VCU and Ga Tech are quad 1 or 2, Rutgers is quad 2, and Duke is quad 1.

Our non conference SOS is ranked 338 on KenPom. That means only 15 teams in all of division 1 basketball have played weaker schedules than this team has. I think the fact that you're talking up our non conference schedule because a team we played that was projected to finish 8th in the MAC might finish 3rd. Think about that.

Our non conference schedule was weak. There is no getting around that. The fact that a couple of the teams we have played have exceeded expectations thus far and we're still 338th just shows how weak the schedule was.

Ken Pomeroy actually talked about us on one of his most recent podcasts. He described our non conference schedule as "extremely weak". Exact quote. As has everybody else with 2 eyes that knows that a basketball is round and filled with air.

And you thought we'd be "getting zero Quad 1 wins in OOC and only a couple of Quad 2 wins." Temple and VCU are quad 1 games now--although on the border. Rutgers and Ga Tech are comfortable quad 2 games. Duke is a very comfortable Quad 1 game looming. BG is coming up on a quad 2 game as well.

As of right now, our OOC has produced 0 Q1 wins and 3 Q2 wins. So I was off by 1 Q2 win. Maybe VCU finishes top 50 and flips that to 1 Q1 win and 2 Q2 wins. Maybe they don't.

Our non conference SOS is ranked 338 on KenPom. That means only 15 teams in all of division 1 basketball have played weaker schedules than this team has. I think the fact that you're talking up our non conference schedule because a team we played that was projected to finish 8th in the MAC might finish 3rd. Think about that.

Our non conference schedule was weak. There is no getting around that. The fact that a couple of the teams we have played have exceeded expectations thus far and we're still 338th just shows how weak the schedule was.

Ken Pomeroy actually talked about us on one of his most recent podcasts. He described our non conference schedule as "extremely weak". Exact quote. As has everybody else with 2 eyes that knows that a basketball is round and filled with air.

lol Let's fall back to general statements after your narrow proclamations have all been proven false.

KenPom is one metric. They don't give us credit for two neutral court games at Barclays. The NCAA does and the staff banked on that when scheduling. We also have Duke remaining.

I think even you would agree that if we won @Duke (and they don't fall off too much without Jones) that nobody would question our OOC if VCU makes the tournament, BG wins 20+ games, Princeton stays in the top half of the Ivy, Ga Tech stays near the middle of the ACC, and Rutgers stats near .500.

Cal is awful. Worse than even I expected, but Ga Tech is tough.

lol Let's fall back to general statements after your narrow proclamations have all been proven false.

KenPom is one metric. They don't give us credit for two neutral court games at Barclays. The NCAA does and the staff banked on that when scheduling. We also have Duke remaining.

I think even you would agree that if we won @Duke (and they don't fall off too much without Jones) that nobody would question our OOC if VCU makes the tournament, BG wins 20+ games, Princeton stays in the top half of the Ivy, Ga Tech stays near the middle of the ACC, and Rutgers stats near .500.

Cal is awful. Worse than even I expected, but Ga Tech is tough.

If Kenpom switched the Semi-Homes to neutrals maybe the SOS would go from 338th to 320th. Maybe not even that much.

Again, you're banking on the schedule being good based on winning @ Duke, something that will happen roughly 1 out of 10 times this year even if they are without Tre Jones. Without that win, we don't have enough good wins in OOC to give us any margin for error is conference play.

You just can't seem to comprehend the FACT that the OOC schedule was weak. It's not really an opinion. Your opinion that the schedule was good for us based on needing time to gel is a different argument altogether, and while I disagree with that at least it doesn't completely ignore facts like your "our schedule wasn't weak" take does.

lol Let's fall back to general statements after your narrow proclamations have all been proven false.

You talked up Rutgers and Cal as good games just because they play in good conferences. Rutgers will be lucky to go 5-15 in the B10 and lost to Fordham. Yet, you are still talking them up as a solid game. The schedule is so bad that you are pointing to Rutgers as a good game.

Cal plays in the Pac 12! That's a good game! Well, the Pac 12 could very well end up a one bid conference this year, and Cal is the worst team in that conference with only Washington State close to them. If they go 3-15 in the P12, consider that an overachievement. At least you finally understand that Cal wasn't a good schedule game just because they play in a power conference.

You talked up Rutgers and Cal as good games just because they play in good conferences. Rutgers will be lucky to go 5-15 in the B10 and lost to Fordham. Yet, you are still talking them up as a solid game. The schedule is so bad that you are pointing to Rutgers as a good game.

Cal plays in the Pac 12! That's a good game! Well, the Pac 12 could very well end up a one bid conference this year, and Cal is the worst team in that conference with only Washington State close to them. If they go 3-15 in the P12, consider that an overachievement. At least you finally understand that Cal wasn't a good schedule game just because they play in a power conference.

I never called Cal a good team. They are a good program though. This is where you employ your Ricky Bobby "if you ain't first, you're last" mentality. No high major is ever a walk in the park regardless of how down they are.

Cal has a core with the physical talent to dance in the next two years. 8 of 9 leading scorers are freshmen or sophs. That's a lot different than playing a team like St. Francis who only possesses the physical talent to beat St. John's once every 20 years.

I never called Cal a good team. They are a good program though. This is where you employ your Ricky Bobby "if you ain't first, you're last" mentality. No high major is ever a walk in the park regardless of how down they are.

Cal has a core with the physical talent to dance in the next two years. 8 of 9 leading scorers are freshmen or sophs. That's a lot different than playing a team like St. Francis who only possesses the physical talent to beat St. John's once every 20 years.

Cal being a good program and the fact that might be good 2 years from now means absolutely zero to their value on our schedule this year. Zero.

It doesn't matter what conference you play in, if you stink, you stink. Cal is a walk in the park this year. The only high major thing about them this year is that they play 18 games against Pac 12 teams, which as mentioned earlier is a glorified mid-major this year. Similarly, we were a walk in the park for other teams 3 years ago. Didn't matter that we were a Big East team. We were awful and had 0 value to the schedule of other teams.

Cal being a good program and the fact that might be good 2 years from now means absolutely zero to their value on our schedule this year. Zero.

It doesn't matter what conference you play in, if you stink, you stink. Cal is a walk in the park this year. The only high major thing about them this year is that they play 18 games against Pac 12 teams, which as mentioned earlier is a glorified mid-major this year. Similarly, we were a walk in the park for other teams 3 years ago. Didn't matter that we were a Big East team. We were awful and had 0 value to the schedule of other teams.

Cal has the size, depth, and physical talent to beat us this year and almost did. They have a few former top 100 caliber recruits. The Bradley kid was RSCI top 75 and Darius McNeil is probably even better than him.

There is MUCH more potential to lose to them than a scrub like Md Eastenr Shore. 9-10 times this season Cal will show the potential they have for the future. But I'm don't talking about Cal. I've already admitted they suck. Why don't you admit Georgia Tech, Temole, and Bowling Green are better than you thought? You've already admitted you were wrong about VCU.

Cal has the size, depth, and physical talent to beat us this year and almost did. They have a few former top 100 caliber recruits. The Bradley kid was RSCI top 75 and Darius McNeil is probably even better than him.

There is MUCH more potential to lose to them than a scrub like Md Eastenr Shore. 9-10 times this season Cal will show the potential they have for the future. But I'm don't talking about Cal. I've already admitted they suck. Why don't you admit Georgia Tech, Temole, and Bowling Green are better than you thought? You've already admitted you were wrong about VCU.

When trying to convince yourself that the schedule wasn't weak earlier this year, you pointed to the fact that we played a Pac 12 team and that in and of itself makes it a good game to schedule. When the fact is beating Cal means about the same as beating Fordham. Zero.

Why do you keep bringing up Temple? We never played them.

VCU is better than anticipated. Georgia Tech is slightly better, but they will still be lucky to be .500 in the ACC. Bowling Green is still a middle of the pack MAC team where maybe they can finish 3rd in the MAC if they continue to play well. They can also finish 8th.

You're tracking VCU, Georgia Tech, Bowling Green and Rutgers. That's pathetic. Take a step out of the SJU bubble and take an overview of that and then compare it to other power conference teams with NCAA aspirations and who they would be tracking if they have a similar thread on their forum. It definitely wouldn't include a team from the MAC not named Buffalo as their 4th best game.