The Future of this Program

I don't think Lavin should have been fired. When he was, I offered my support to Mullin. I will do the same if Mullin left or was let go.

Neither Lavin nor Mullin share the same basketball philosophy I do, but Mullin is closer.

I will support any coach until they can no longer get top players. Mullin is still doing that as evidenced by the recent 2020 commit from the #58 player in the country.

The future of the program is they have at least 12 more games this year remaining.

This is Mullins 4th year and he plays 2 kids that has come from HS, Williams and Ponds. The rest transfers. It’s good we got the #58 ranked player in next years class, but the recruiting of HS players has been atrocious. That is why we have no bench.

Who cares about where talent comes from? Would you like Figuerora and Heron to leave?

Plenty of non-blue bloods like Nevada and Oregon lean on multiple  transfers to win in March.

The pattern here is unmistakable. We fire a coach, players transfer en masse, we lose all of the pledged recruits and 4-5 year if inroads made with future classes, then the new coach scrambles to fill the roster with questionable characters with talent, players that aren't Big East talents, and guys who want immediate playing time instead of earning it. When better players are brought in, the first wave of players transfer. If one mistake is made or a player is so good he jumps pro, the coach is effed and our fans start to turn.

Why not try letting a coach fill a damn roster with guys like Williams before we breakout the pitchforks?

Nonsense! Mahoney leaves, we bring in a real coach. Real coach does his job, brings in players and in 2 years we are good. How many guys transferred out when Fran got here?
Norm sucks, we bring in another real coach. Immediately we are good. Again how many guys transferred out with Lavin ?
Current players probably thought they enjoyed Mullins LAX attitude. I bet not so much right now. Guys want to win. Saturday was embarrassing.

You could give this novice more time. Pattern is more losses and waaaaaaay more transfers. One guy out already. Earlington playing football, plenty of Trimble rumors, Roberts doesn’t play but didn’t redshirt, their are even rumors about Simon leaving, neither ponds or Herron projected to go in 1st round, they are both not expected back. How many more guys do we lose if we keep going this way?
Experiment failed. 15-47

You lost me at “another real coach”

Again, thank you for giving the double-digit IQ perspective on this. Too long have the tri-dig's posted in a triple-digit IQ echo chamber.

Certainly you understand the difference between the 90s and today. From 1976-1992, St. John's missed the tournament just twice. They made the Final Four in 1985, the Elite Eight in 1991, and won the Big East in 1992.

St. John's was still a huge name, the Big East was on top, and NYC high schools were producing talent like no other area. The transfers rules were so strict they bordered on prohibitive.

All those factors combined with culture at the time made it possible to replace coaches without roster upheaval and made recruiting to St. John's relatively easy.

Fast-forward to modern day and you have liberal transfer rules, a culture of transferring (>40% of high school commits transfer by the end of their soph season), a severely downgraded Big East, an awful NYC high school talent pool, and St. John's has been essentially irrelevant for two decades.

The last three firings have resulted in long rebuilds. Why would the fourth be any different?

a culture of transferring (>40% of high school commits transfer by the end of their soph season),

You lost me at “another real coach”

Say what you will but you can’t deny Lavin made this program relevant in little time. Given the challenges of our program I felt Lavin was the ideal coach for us. He can recruit with the best of them. Get him a good associate HC and we’re golden.

Lavin was the ideal coach for us.

I agree. Lavin was ideal for this mutt fan base. He sucked at coaching and was full of shit and to the extent that the SJ fan base deserves a good coach who's not full of shit it's too stupid to know what a good coach who's not full of shit is. And you're Exhibit A and you deserved him and you got him good and hard.

Ha ha

One of the problems is that our % is higher.

And the same thing will happen if we fire our 7th coach in 23 years.

I agree. Lavin was ideal for this mutt fan base. He sucked at coaching and was full of shit and to the extent that the SJ fan base deserves a good coach who's not full of shit it's too stupid to know what a good coach who's not full of shit is. And you're Exhibit A and you deserved him and you got him good and hard.