Next Year...

what kind of message would it send to fire another Coach after a NCAA appearance

It's not happening

Only way there is a new Coach next year is if Coach Mullin walks away on his own and that is not going to happen.

what kind of message would it send to fire another Coach after a NCAA appearance

It's not happening

Only way there is a new Coach next year is if Coach Mullin walks away on his own and that is not going to happen.

Force him out, and it'll be a resignation.  The team is likely to stink next season, and it's best he goes out on what looks to be a "high mark."  Next season could be nasty, and it'll more than likely be his last season anyhow. 

So, do it now and save something truly messy for him, the school and fans.   

Best case scenario next year-DUMPSTER FIRE
Worst case scenario-We all dead

what kind of message would it send to fire another Coach after a NCAA appearance

It's not happening

Only way there is a new Coach next year is if Coach Mullin walks away on his own and that is not going to happen.

This is a great point. What coach would want to come here with limited resources, facilities, and last two coaches getting fired within 4/5 years with an NCAA appearance.

Just my thoughts on things. The lack of experience on staff is alarming and I think it shows come game day. Few Big East coaches I'm close with all say how easy of a scout our team is and we struggle with in game adjustments.

https://twitter.com/DaveKrupinski/status/1108577472340246529

Few Big East coaches I'm close with all say how easy of a scout our team is and we struggle with in game adjustments.

You could've asked a few of us, and got the same feedback.  Heck!  Jim Spanarkel saw that in one of our early season OOC games.

This staff need 3 new assistant coaches (and, a head coach, if you wanna go that route as well).

This is a great point. What coach would want to come here with limited resources, facilities, and last two coaches getting fired within 4/5 years with an NCAA appearance.

exactly. literally the same scenario as Lavin (aside from Lavin's first year).  No one of any worth will want to step into a 3rd 4-5 year circle where the snake ends up eating its own tail at the end of it.

I haven't spoken to Matt about his future but knowing him as well as I do there is probably serious consideration going to Nebraska.

1. He LOVES St. John's and NY. Certainly a dream of his and know his loyalty is strong here.
2. If he gets offered more $$ with more security and cheaper living costs thats hard to pass up
3. He's largely responsible for roster here and while I think the talent is there if results aren't eventually he gets lumped into losing.

College coaching is all about momentum and striking while hot. It's why Bobby Hurley is coaching Arizona State and Andy Toole is still at Robert Morris. I'd argue the latter is a better coach but he didn't jump when the opportunity was presented and he's stuck.

I'd be incredibly sad if he left and this is all my own opinions but I'd understand it.

Additionally even if he stayed St. John's needs to add more to staff for success. It can happen but not confident it will.

You could've asked a few of us, and got the same feedback.  Heck!  Jim Spanarkel saw that in one of our early season OOC games.

This staff need 3 new assistant coaches (and, a head coach, if you wanna go that route as well).

Brendan Haywood picked us apart in about 30 seconds in the post game. Its painfully obvious that we ran My turn, your turn offense.

Just my thoughts on things. The lack of experience on staff is alarming and I think it shows come game day. Few Big East coaches I'm close with all say how easy of a scout our team is and we struggle with in game adjustments.

https://twitter.com/DaveKrupinski/status/1108577472340246529

Dave - completely right, but unfortunately this was the situation for the past 3 seasons/ever since they parted ways with Slice. 

As mentioned, assuming Mullin doesn't quit, and knowing that there's no way he's going to tell Mitch to leave, what he should do here is let Matt shuffle off Nebraska (if he has not done so already), work with his NBA contacts to get the wunderkind a low-level NBA assistant gig, and hire two solid recruiters who can also coach bigs and gameplanning, respectively.  Mitch sticks to advising the guards.

3. He's largely responsible for roster here and while I think the talent is there if results aren't eventually he gets lumped into losing.

If this is the case, I wouldn't call it a positive for him. The roster is flawed -  lacks size & depth.

Not all of that on Matt but I wouldn't be out there saying I put this team together..

Just out of curiosity, are we still paying Slice and could this be the reason we haven't brought in another experienced coach yet?

If Mullin truly loves this program he would step away and advocate for the University to invoke their Catholic ways and forgive the sinner and roll out the red carpet for Rick Pitino. He will come here and he will bring us to heights we have never seen.

Dave - completely right, but unfortunately this was the situation for the past 3 seasons/ever since they parted ways with Slice. 

As mentioned, assuming Mullin doesn't quit, and knowing that there's no way he's going to tell Mitch to leave, what he should do here is let Matt shuffle off Nebraska (if he has not done so already), work with his NBA contacts to get the wunderkind a low-level NBA assistant gig, and hire two solid recruiters who can also coach bigs and gameplanning, respectively.  Mitch sticks to advising the guards.

Slice didn't bring much to the table outside of recruiting. Don't think he was the right fit for the staff.

Really don't want to rehash all of that.

- Move Mitch to special assistant.
- Hire a previous head coach known for x/o to become associate head coach
- Hire a seasoned DOBO
- Hire a personal assistant for Mullin
- Hire a video coordinator
- Hire a new strength coach. We lost some of our better strength coaches due to $$. Can't skimp on this


We need more diversity on staff, more organization, more experience.

This is a great point. What coach would want to come here with limited resources, facilities, and last two coaches getting fired within 4/5 years with an NCAA appearance.

A good one. Up to Cragg, Gempeshaw, and who ever else is in the room to sell the program. Plenty of positives to sell.

If Mullin truly loves this program he would step away and advocate for the University to invoke their Catholic ways and forgive the sinner and roll out the red carpet for Rick Pitino. He will come here and he will bring us to heights we have never seen.

Which sin, in particular?  Getting fired for cause during a federal criminal proceeding by a school that was dirty enough to hire Bobby Petrino? Turning a blind eye to an assistant who had escorts on the payroll?  Banging someone on the floor of a bar and then paying for an abortion?

Or just the hair plugs?  The hair plugs are enough for me, BTW.

Slice didn't bring much to the table outside of recruiting. Don't think he was the right fit for the staff.

Really don't want to rehash all of that.

- Move Mitch to special assistant.
- Hire a previous head coach known for x/o to become associate head coach
- Hire a seasoned DOBO
- Hire a personal assistant for Mullin
- Hire a video coordinator
- Hire a new strength coach. We lost some of our better strength coaches due to $$. Can't skimp on this


We need more diversity on staff, more organization, more experience.

Agree completely.  More to the point, even with Slice, the staff was very green from the outset, which was a big mistake.

If this is the case, I wouldn't call it a positive for him. The roster is flawed -  lacks size & depth.

Not all of that on Matt but I wouldn't be out there saying I put this team together..

I don't think any college program expects 1 assistant to put together the team as if he were GM.

Last year's class was extremely thin on bigs. I don't know all the ins/outs of Tariq Owens or philosophies on not playing Roberts or trying Earlington as hybrid big. I don't agree with playing Trimble so much over Williams.

I think this team had enough talent and while small/thin it was healthy enough to compete at a high level.

Lastly I don't think he's out there saying that but coaches are familiar with who's doing what on all staffs. It's how the carousel works.

Some of you are talking around the issue at hand here.

The real issue is the head coach. He does not know how to coach. Stop talking about more resources, more funding, etc.

Those are all tertiary reasons. The main crux here and the primary problem is the lack of coaching that's happening.

All coaches are not created equally. There's plenty of coaches around the country (mid major, high major) who are have proven to be more effective than Mullin.

The problem St. John's has is hiring the right one. All of the other stuff follows if you get the right coach who knows how to implement his plan and his system.

This is a hiring problem first and foremost.

Some of you are talking around the issue at hand here.

The real issue is the head coach. He does not know how to coach. Stop talking about more resources, more funding, etc.

Those are all tertiary reasons. The main crux here and the primary problem is the lack of coaching that's happening.

All coaches are not created equally. There's plenty of coaches around the country (mid major, high major) who are have proven to be more effective than Mullin.

The problem St. John's has is hiring the right one. All of the other stuff follows if you get the right coach who knows how to implement his plan and his system.

This is a hiring problem first and foremost.

Agree, Johnnyfan.  The other stuff is noise and deflection for the most part.  If you're watching games with an unbiased eye, then you have a damn good idea what is going on. 

This is how I view some of our fans....