Mullin to step down? Hurley in?

Mediocre talent or Mediocre coaching? Think about who had more talent among the BE teams this year and then remember we finished in 7th place. Mullin doesn’t coach, run practices, recruit, or develop players. I don’t mean he doesn’t do it well, he doesn’t do it.

Mediocre talent or Mediocre coaching? Think about who had more talent among the BE teams this year and then remember we finished in 7th place. Mullin doesn’t coach, run practices, recruit, or develop players. I don’t mean he doesn’t do it well, he doesn’t do it.

Let’s say Seton hall fiasco doesn’t happen and we finish 3rd. Does he then deserve credit for finishing top 3? We underachieved for sure but I find it hard to believe some guys aren’t happy we slipped to 7th so they can point to it as a failure.

Simon cant shoot outside of 5 feet.  Clark was a spot up 3pt shooter who didnt make enough and was only average defensively and on the glass.
Figueroa is a wing who cant handle the ball.
We had no center, and no one off the bench who could contribute save greg Williams as the year went on.

This was not a team stacked with talent.  I wish I knew what happened to the real Mustafa Heron because that guy could be big east player of the year.  But we never saw him after November. 

And the line that mullin doesnt coach is bs.  I sat behind the bench on a couple occasions and hes much more active during timeouts than he was 2 years ago.  Hes pointing out defensive assignments and calling plays.
Watch any taped game and you'll see Ponds bring the ball up and look to Mullin for a hand signal to start the set.4 fingers down, peace sign, 10 fingers... happens dozens of times each game.

That said, I think Hurley is a better choice.  I'm just not on board with the crussification of Chris Mullin.

I dont think Mullin has done an awful job.  He has mediocre talent and has produced mediocre results.   I'm not sure what realistic hire could have done substantially better. 

That said, I would like to see Bobby Hurley here.  He's an overly dramatic psycho on the court, but we're hiring a basketball coach.   Social skills and brains arent exactly the most important criteria. 
Convince kids to play for you and teach them how to efficiently put the ball through the hoop.

I think Hurley can do that better than most.

But, while I certainly trust dave. I'm shocked sju is paying Mullin's buyout and a buyout for Hurley? Unbelievable until I see it happen. 

Let’s say Seton hall fiasco doesn’t happen and we finish 3rd. Does he then deserve credit for finishing top 3? We underachieved for sure but I find it hard to believe some guys aren’t happy we slipped to 7th so they can point to it as a failure.

Simon cant shoot outside of 5 feet.  Clark was a spot up 3pt shooter who didnt make enough and was only average defensively and on the glass.
Figueroa is a wing who cant handle the ball.
We had no center, and no one off the bench who could contribute save greg Williams as the year went on.

This was not a team stacked with talent.  I wish I knew what happened to the real Mustafa Heron because that guy could be big east player of the year.  But we never saw him after November. 

And the line that mullin doesnt coach is bs.  I sat behind the bench on a couple occasions and hes much more active during timeouts than he was 2 years ago.  Hes pointing out defensive assignments and calling plays.
Watch any taped game and you'll see Ponds bring the ball up and look to Mullin for a hand signal to start the set.4 fingers down, peace sign, 10 fingers... happens dozens of times each game.

That said, I think Hurley is a better choice.  I'm just not on board with the crussification of Chris Mullin.

I dont think Mullin has done an awful job.  He has mediocre talent and has produced mediocre results.   I'm not sure what realistic hire could have done substantially better. 

That said, I would like to see Bobby Hurley here.  He's an overly dramatic psycho on the court, but we're hiring a basketball coach.   Social skills and brains arent exactly the most important criteria. 
Convince kids to play for you and teach them how to efficiently put the ball through the hoop.

I think Hurley can do that better than most.

But, while I certainly trust dave. I'm shocked sju is paying Mullin's buyout and a buyout for Hurley? Unbelievable until I see it happen. 

Yea I'm kind of on board with this thinking and apparently the NCAA committee was too because 4-6th place didn't make the dance but we did.

It was a weird year. We underachieved, underperformed, but still had a pretty good year. Very anticlimactic.

100% agree. I’m not sold on CM in the least but I also don’t think he’s necessarily proven he can’t win here either.

Compare to other teams in conference. Who had more talent? Seriously would like to know your thoughts on other teams.

The problem with Mullin is the same exact problem with Lavin. The situations are remarkably similar, at least in my eyes.

Neither guy hasn't proven that they can't win here. The fans really turned on both guys immediately after they made the NCAA tournament for the first time in 4 years. However, the expectations were heightened prior to those seasons and both of the seasons have and will be looked back on as disappointments.

Both Lavin and Mullin have the same negative perceptions surrounding them:

A) If they couldn't achieve more with what they had in those NCAA Tournament seasons, how would they ever be able to take the next step here? It was unlikely Lavin would ever have had more talent than that 14-15 team and it's unlikely Mullin will have more talent than this year's team, especially after underachieving.

B) There was no reason to believe either coach would build a consistent winner. After 14-15 Lavin was going to have to replace pretty much every important player and we were looking at another rebuild with him. While Mullin could have more back next year than Lavin did in his final year, he's losing his best player and he currently doesn't have even 1 true PG coming in to replace him. Again, another mini-rebuild at the least is on the horizon.

C) Both guys are far inferior to the rest of the conference in terms of in-game coaching and strategy. Lavin's X's and O's deficiencies were obvious after Dunlap left and Mullin's have been obvious for 4 years.

It's like deja vu all over again. If Mullin does leave we'll probably go through this again in another 4-5 years.

The problem with Mullin is the same exact problem with Lavin. The situations are remarkably similar, at least in my eyes.

Neither guy hasn't proven that they can't win here. The fans really turned on both guys immediately after they made the NCAA tournament for the first time in 4 years. However, the expectations were heightened prior to those seasons and both of the seasons have and will be looked back on as disappointments.

Both Lavin and Mullin have the same negative perceptions surrounding them:

A) If they couldn't achieve more with what they had in those NCAA Tournament seasons, how would they ever be able to take the next step here? It was unlikely Lavin would ever have had more talent than that 14-15 team and it's unlikely Mullin will have more talent than this year's team, especially after underachieving.

B) There was no reason to believe either coach would build a consistent winner. After 14-15 Lavin was going to have to replace pretty much every important player and we were looking at another rebuild with him. While Mullin could have more back next year than Lavin did in his final year, he's losing his best player and he currently doesn't have even 1 true PG coming in to replace him. Again, another mini-rebuild at the least is on the horizon.

C) Both guys are far inferior to the rest of the conference in terms of in-game coaching and strategy. Lavin's X's and O's deficiencies were obvious after Dunlap left and Mullin's have been obvious for 4 years.

It's like deja vu all over again. If Mullin does leave we'll probably go through this again in another 4-5 years.

So let me get this. You believe that if I’m right it reflects more negatively against me, the person who mentioned it, than the person who is actually doing it?

Whether I’m right or wrong one thing is certain, some of you really have a hard on for Mullin.

ridiculous, I don't have to think that Mullin is a good coach, and think that he is doing this just for the money. you just keep trying to find things about Mullin as a person that fits your narrative. get a life.

Simon cant shoot outside of 5 feet.  Clark was a spot up 3pt shooter who didnt make enough and was only average defensively and on the glass.
Figueroa is a wing who cant handle the ball.
We had no center, and no one off the bench who could contribute save greg Williams as the year went on.

This was not a team stacked with talent.  I wish I knew what happened to the real Mustafa Heron because that guy could be big east player of the year.  But we never saw him after November. 

And the line that mullin doesnt coach is bs.  I sat behind the bench on a couple occasions and hes much more active during timeouts than he was 2 years ago.  Hes pointing out defensive assignments and calling plays.
Watch any taped game and you'll see Ponds bring the ball up and look to Mullin for a hand signal to start the set.4 fingers down, peace sign, 10 fingers... happens dozens of times each game.

That said, I think Hurley is a better choice.  I'm just not on board with the crussification of Chris Mullin.

Simon cant shoot outside of 5 feet.  Clark was a spot up 3pt shooter who didnt make enough and was only average defensively and on the glass.
Figueroa is a wing who cant handle the ball.
We had no center, and no one off the bench who could contribute save greg Williams as the year went on.

This was not a team stacked with talent.  I wish I knew what happened to the real Mustafa Heron because that guy could be big east player of the year.  But we never saw him after November. 

And the line that mullin doesnt coach is bs.  I sat behind the bench on a couple occasions and hes much more active during timeouts than he was 2 years ago.  Hes pointing out defensive assignments and calling plays.
Watch any taped game and you'll see Ponds bring the ball up and look to Mullin for a hand signal to start the set.4 fingers down, peace sign, 10 fingers... happens dozens of times each game.

That said, I think Hurley is a better choice.  I'm just not on board with the crussification of Chris Mullin.

You crussified the last coach who was better. Just because he is more engaged then he was. THAT IS NOT A POSITIVE.
He still visiblely quits. How many games did that loser not even call a timeout in the second half?
Transfer U + Lazy coach= going through the motions = 7th place