Lindy’s and Athlon

I get your point and it's also solid.  But from 16-17 to 21-13 and a tournament bid is such a huge jump forward that strength of schedule becomes a moot point in this case.

Their OOC schedule did not hurt them, it was their BEC schedule that really hurt them. There was an improvement, but was it enough to say he should be our coach for the long term? He left himself vulnerable where a new AD, did not think so.

I'm being honest. They did that camera in the huddle thing and Mullin would always be leading the conversation.  I think once maybe twice St. Jean was talking during it and you guys pounced on our favorite son.

Once or twice? Yeah ok. Next your going to say Mullin was always at events and open gyms scouting players. He didn’t recruit and he didn’t coach. I’m tried about Mullin being brought up. He was an all time great player and he was ours, that will never change. He wasn’t a coach and didn’t know how to run a program. Just seeing how visible the current coach and staff is has been refreshing.

but this was an overall disappointing season.

I apologize in advance to every single JJ reader for sounding like a broken record. Especially Dave. I apologize also for the annoying caps. It's hard for me to believe that people don't yet grasp this.

NO SEASON IN WHICH ST. JOHN'S UNIVERSITY MENS BASKETBALL TEAM QUALIFIES FOR THE NCAA TOURNAMENT IS A DISAPPOINTING SEASON.

No matter what circumstances surround it. It equals the best season of any Redmen team beginning this millennium. WE ARE NOT A GOOD PROGRAM AND HAVEN'T BEEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME.  WE ARE...ST. JOHN'S!

Once or twice? Yeah ok. Next your going to say Mullin was always at events and open gyms scouting players. He didn’t recruit and he didn’t coach. I’m tried about Mullin being brought up. He was an all time great player and he was ours, that will never change. He wasn’t a coach and didn’t know how to run a program. Just seeing how visible the current coach and staff is has been refreshing.

This is what I wrote on this topic earlier in the thread:

"Being that I never attended a single one of their practices, I have no idea how much responsibility was given to St. Jean.  I know that actual knowledge about something does not typically preclude one from typing out their a$$ on and on about it in this forum. Not this cowboy.

I did recognize that St. Jean did do a yeomans amount of game day coaching. Perhaps more than you might typically see an assistant do."

I have no idea what events or open gyms he attended or didn't so I would never say that. That would be typing out my a$$ like you do.  I don't know what he did or didn't do recruiting wise either.  I do know for a fact that he coached as I've seen it with my own eyes. Plus every year he did it he got better at it.  The numbers prove that inequivalently.
 

I have no idea what events or open gyms he attended or didn't so I would never say that.

Just because you have your head up your ass doesn’t mean others do as well.

Just because you have your head up your ass doesn’t mean others do as well.

Carmine wasn't in Hawaii in 1941 therefore he knows nothing of Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor and he wasn't in Germany during WW2 therefore he knows nothing about the holocaust. Hope that clears things up for you re: Carmine.

Carmine wasn't in Hawaii in 1941 therefore he knows nothing of Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor and he wasn't in Germany during WW2 therefore he knows nothing about the holocaust. Hope that clears things up for you re: Carmine.

Well I have read a great deal from very reliable sources about Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust. I have seen a fair amount of film about it - both documentary and fictional.  Plus, I've spoken with folks even older than I who have told me stories, first/second/thirdhand, about these historic events.

What events and open gyms Chris Mullin went to when he was coaching St. Johns?  Not so much.

Well I have read a great deal from very reliable sources about Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust. I have seen a fair amount of film about it - both documentary and fictional.  Plus, I've spoken with folks even older than I who have told me stories, first/second/thirdhand, about these historic events.

What events and open gyms Chris Mullin went to when he was coaching St. Johns?  Not so much.

That’s because he didn’t go, therefore nothing to write about. Don’t you hear about where CMA is? This is the social media era.

Don’t you hear about where CMA is? This is the social media era.

No I don't. I'm not on snapchat, Instagram, twitter or facebook. I consider it one of my most positive attributes.

I don’t use social media either. But, the coaches visits are posted on this site and Redmen.com. The difference between MAs and staffs recruiting efforts and the previous regime is like night and day.

I don’t use social media either. But, the coaches visits are posted on this site and Redmen.com. The difference between MAs and staffs recruiting efforts and the previous regime is like night and day.

Day presumably being the 4 and 5 star recruits the previous staff landed and night being the plethora of 2 star recruits coach third choice has roped in.

I said effort, which may not translate into results. Nevertheless, Have to give MA a full year before evaluating results IMO. Mullin recruited good players. But , didnt have enough bigs nor depth. Also the most important result is the record. Mullin had 1 winning year in 4.

Day presumably being the 4 and 5 star recruits the previous staff landed and night being the plethora of 2 star recruits coach third choice has roped in.

I'm puzzled by the criticism of Mullin's recruiting. If anything, he put 5 really talented guys on the court. I thought Mullin's recruiting was comparable to Brian Mahoney's. Unfortunately, his interest in defense was as well.

I'm puzzled by the criticism of Mullin's recruiting. 

It's not puzzling.  Some supposed St. John's fans get "cheap thrills" out of denigrating our hero on the least appropriate forum possible - a St. John's fan website.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8n2oyw6Vsc

It's not puzzling.  Some supposed St. John's fans get "cheap thrills" out of denigrating our hero on the least appropriate forum possible - a St. John's fan website.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8n2oyw6Vsc

For some people, when a coach is fired or a player transfers out the immediate feeling is that their time here was all bad, and we’ll be better off.

For the most part, Mullin recruited guys that really wanted to score. And we had some of the most exciting scorers we’ve ever had here w Lovett, Ponds, Figueroa and Heron.

The end of last season is on Mullin because it has to be, but I’m not gonna act like the last season wasn’t fun. I loved the games I saw at MSG, even if there weren’t enough of them.

For some people, when a coach is fired or a player transfers out the immediate feeling is that their time here was all bad, and we’ll be better off.

For the most part, Mullin recruited guys that really wanted to score. And we had some of the most exciting scorers we’ve ever had here w Lovett, Ponds, Figueroa and Heron.

The end of last season is on Mullin because it has to be, but I’m not gonna act like the last season wasn’t fun. I loved the games I saw at MSG, even if there weren’t enough of them.

The best MSG game last season ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFU7YBbIqLk

I'm puzzled by the criticism of Mullin's recruiting. If anything, he put 5 really talented guys on the court. I thought Mullin's recruiting was comparable to Brian Mahoney's. Unfortunately, his interest in defense was as well.

I said Mullin recruited good players but we did not have enough depth or bigs. What is puzzling about those statements. He and Mitch spent most of the summer in Cali and did not recruit then. That is certainly worthy of criticism IMO.

Day presumably being the 4 and 5 star recruits the previous staff landed and night being the plethora of 2 star recruits coach third choice has roped in.

In big east history their were probably a few coaches with worse records then coach Mullins. Doubt they had any 4 star players, certainly no 5 star players. Imagine if jerry wainwright or Oliver Purnell  had better players? They could have played in the Tuesday night playin game also.
 Foady that was a great pro Mullins argument. Not taking the time to look it up, what was Mullins big east  record with ponds? How many games under .500. 10? 20?

I'm puzzled by the criticism of Mullin's recruiting. If anything, he put 5 really talented guys on the court. I thought Mullin's recruiting was comparable to Brian Mahoney's. Unfortunately, his interest in defense was as well.

There's little legitimate criticism of the previous staff's recruiting. There's lots of legitimate criticism of their results. Their ability to hold on to the recruits they recruited - specifically the big men - is another matter. Certain posters who hated Mullin - like eg one particular poster who stopped posting last year when SJ was 10-0 because he didn't find SJ basketball fun anymore because they were winning - have to denigrate everything about him to justify their hatred. The previous staff failed in various ways but the idea that winning 20 game and making the tournament represents failure is madness. 

I said effort, which may not translate into results. Nevertheless, Have to give MA a full year before evaluating results IMO. Mullin recruited good players. But , didnt have enough bigs nor depth. Also the most important result is the record. Mullin had 1 winning year in 4.

There's no evidence that MA and BR were lethargic recruiters in the first months of their tenure so your contrast between the effort of this staff and the previous one make no sense. Because they offered everybody who was anyone. And how many winning years they had is completely irrelevant to that and in fact to the extent that effort "may not translate into results" you just contradicted yourself. So there's that.