Game #16: @Georgetown

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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #100 on: January 09, 2020, 10:05:30 AM »
Contrary to what the know nothings may want the board to believe, this is a rebuilding year. We have the worse roster in the conference by far. It doesn’t matter that we have a couple of good pieces when the totality is severely lacking.

Sorry this isn't a rebuilding year. 2 all conference upperclassmen, two older immediate transfers, and majority of returning players.

It may be a step down from last season's team but this isn't rebuilding.
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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #101 on: January 09, 2020, 10:09:49 AM »
Dave you are spot on. Our Bigs get pushed around like high school kids playing against men. Sears got swatted by Mcclung underneath the basket, which was so embarrassing. I do not get why Heron and LJ have been so bad. The thing I keep coming back to is that most teams focused on ponds last year which gave them plenty of open looks. They also had another threat on the perimeter las year in Clark.

This teams offense court offense is the worst I have seen in quite some time. Their first halves consist of no set plays and passing around the perimeter until the shot clock winds down and hoist an outrageous shot. When we aren't forcing turnovers with our press we can't score.

We have had poor point guard play and no big man to post up down low. Having a big man to post up and be able to score would open up a lot more for the other players.

We don't run anything. Nothing. We have 3 guys on the floor who can't score and teams lock in on Heron and LJ.

We have to look at lineup combos a lot better and use guys situationally. No pick and roll, no sets to get a guy to catch a ball in post or in iso for him to do work. If you ran stuff to get Heron to catch ball in post and he can open pivot he'd eat guys for breakfast.
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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #102 on: January 09, 2020, 10:32:00 AM »
Sorry this isn't a rebuilding year. 2 all conference upperclassmen, two older immediate transfers, and majority of returning players.

It may be a step down from last season's team but this isn't rebuilding.

What were you expectations prior to the season? Total wins? Postseason?
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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #103 on: January 09, 2020, 11:00:49 AM »
Champagnie has been non existent since Big East play began. Not sure what's going on with him but he needs to play with that swag he had OOC.

Heron is a bust, plain and simple. He's charmin soft mentally which really hurts him. LJ is a good player but we need more guys who can fill up the bucket.

The rest of the guys are getting better but without go to scorers we are going to struggle this year.

With Steere it seems like conditioning is the issue. With his size you would think he'd be getting a lot more minutes in BE play but clearly something is off and I think it's his cardio.

All of that said, it's not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. We're still on the bubble according to several experts which isn't that bad. I have no grand illusions of making the tourney this year but I'll be happy with the NIT.

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #104 on: January 09, 2020, 11:38:31 AM »
Heron is a bust, plain and simple. 
Yeah, a bust that was twice an SEC all-conference player; averaged nearly 15 pts per game shooting 44% from the floor, 41% from three, and 76% from the line last season; and a pre-season BE all-conference player.

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #105 on: January 09, 2020, 11:44:53 AM »
I wish I had the patience to go back and find more gem quotes form the CFC b*ll l*ckers following the WV and Arizona upsets. I only found this one:

"it’s not his nickname, it’s what you refer to the best coach we’ve had since Louie."

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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #106 on: January 09, 2020, 11:51:40 AM »
Yeah, a bust that was twice an SEC all-conference player; averaged nearly 15 pts per game shooting 44% from the floor, 41% from three, and 76% from the line last season; and a pre-season BE all-conference player.

Don't you find it at all odd that Auburn was better last year without Heron? Not a team player and isn't buying into Iron Mike's team concepts. Let's just hope he gives us more going forward because we need more bucket getters.

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #107 on: January 09, 2020, 11:59:11 AM »
Don't you find it at all odd that Auburn was better last year without Heron? Not a team player and isn't buying into Iron Mike's team concepts. Let's just hope he gives us more going forward because we need more bucket getters.
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Don't you find it at all odd that Auburn was better last year without Heron? Not a team player and isn't buying into Iron Mike's team concepts. Let's just hope he gives us more going forward because we need more bucket getters.
Sorry but have to disagree on the not playing team ball opinion. What evidence is there of that? How many other players do we have with the history of 3 years of averaging 15 points a game at the high D1 level? The answer is none. Heron along with Figgy was expected to give us scoring punch this season so what do you want Heron to do not shoot at all? He is not taking a high volume of shots he is just not playing well right now. In fact he looks a little reluctant to shoot and besides who on this team do you want taking more shots. I wish we had more options to shoot the ball but right now we don't.

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #108 on: January 09, 2020, 12:12:46 PM »
Don't you find it at all odd that Auburn was better last year without Heron? 
No, I wasn't even aware of that as I only follow SJ's and two other teams.

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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #109 on: January 09, 2020, 12:16:04 PM »
Sorry but have to disagree on the not playing team ball opinion. What evidence is there of that? How many other players do we have with the history of 3 years of averaging 15 points a game at the high D1 level? The answer is none. Heron along with Figgy was expected to give us scoring punch this season so what do you want Heron to do not shoot at all? He is not taking a high volume of shots he is just not playing well right now. In fact he looks a little reluctant to shoot and besides who on this team do you want taking more shots. I wish we had more options to shoot the ball but right now we don't.

I never said I didn't want him taking more shots. I said he needs to be better and start filling it up more in crucial game situations. Forget the stats, watch the games. He looks lost and not involved out there at times.

This is one of the reasons I never thought we'd make the tourney this year. Heron on this team may be one of our alpha dogs but if you look at the league as a whole he's not even close to a 2nd team all BE player this year.

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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #110 on: January 09, 2020, 12:25:31 PM »
I think Heron is a high character, team player. He is either still injured, in a slump or both.

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #111 on: January 09, 2020, 12:31:22 PM »
Don't you find it at all odd that Auburn was better last year without Heron? Not a team player and isn't buying into Iron Mike's team concepts. Let's just hope he gives us more going forward because we need more bucket getters.

This is total bs. Not buying in because he is struggling? He still plays hard and even when he is abruptly pulled from a game he is on the bench clapping and cheering. Is it his fault we have two low mid-major pg's that can't get him the ball in a good spot?

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #112 on: January 09, 2020, 12:36:30 PM »
This is total bs. Not buying in because he is struggling? He still plays hard and even when he is abruptly pulled from a game he is on the bench clapping and cheering. Is it his fault we have two low mid-major pg's that can't get him the ball in a good spot?

Not saying you did, but how bout plenty of our fans blaming shamorie for herons own shortcomings last year. Now thats funny.   
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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #113 on: January 09, 2020, 12:37:44 PM »
I wish I had the patience to go back and find more gem quotes form the CFC b*ll l*ckers following the WV and Arizona upsets. I only found this one:

"it’s not his nickname, it’s what you refer to the best coach we’ve had since Louie."
He is the best coach we have had since Louie.

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #114 on: January 09, 2020, 01:00:45 PM »
He is the best coach we have had since Louie.
This statement is part of the problem.

Based on what? One day this statement may be true, I hope so, but as of this printing he's 0-3 and just got blown out by a projected BE bottom dweller. Or, it might turn out he's a worse coach than Chris Mullin and you'll have to eat about a million words or so. We'll know this is the case soon enough if CFC doesn't dance in any of his first 3 seasons.

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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #115 on: January 09, 2020, 01:04:17 PM »

Sorry this isn't a rebuilding year. 2 all conference upperclassmen, two older immediate transfers, and majority of returning players.

It may be a step down from last season's team but this isn't rebuilding.

Can we stop living in a vacuum and look at things realistically? Were these 2 players not upperclassmen last year? Is Rutherford just a “step down” from Ponds? Is Champagnie just a “step down” from Simon? Is Roberts just a “step down” from Clarke?

Last year we finished in 7th place with an 8-10 record. That was the best we finished in 4 years! Who cares about the returning players if the expectation is to challenge for a last place finish?

Who are the cornerstone players on the roster that we can build around for the future? This is why it’s a rebuilding year.

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Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #116 on: January 09, 2020, 01:28:54 PM »
This statement is part of the problem.

Based on what?

Give the man his due, 17 years never a losing record. If he’s able to bring that consistency to our program we will be competing for postseason play every year. That is all I ask for, to be relevant year in and year out.

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #117 on: January 09, 2020, 02:07:25 PM »
Give the man his due, 17 years never a losing record. If he’s able to bring that consistency to our program we will be competing for postseason play every year. That is all I ask for, to be relevant year in and year out.
What the man has done at other outposts is irrelevant to me.  St. Johns is a completely different animal.  I know how difficult it is to win here and I fully expect us to lose on a consistent basis. CFC included. That is why for the life of me I can't figure out why we get rid of coaches, and the so called fanbase destroys them, as soon as they perform miracles here and get us into the tournament.

The "IF" in your post should be in bold lettered caps and 10 times larger.

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #118 on: January 09, 2020, 02:09:40 PM »
Can we stop living in a vacuum and look at things realistically? Were these 2 players not upperclassmen last year? Is Rutherford just a “step down” from Ponds? Is Champagnie just a “step down” from Simon? Is Roberts just a “step down” from Clarke?

Last year we finished in 7th place with an 8-10 record. That was the best we finished in 4 years! Who cares about the returning players if the expectation is to challenge for a last place finish?

Who are the cornerstone players on the roster that we can build around for the future? This is why it’s a rebuilding year.
Why do you feel the need to create excuses for "the best coach we’ve had since Louie."?

Re: Game #16: @Georgetown
« Reply #119 on: January 09, 2020, 09:22:37 PM »
He is the best coach we have had since Louie.

That really is such a ridiculous statement. He's done nothing here and Carmine is right I don't care what he's done prior to coming here I only care what he does here. If you want to talk about what they did prior to coming here, than Lavin is better than him.

Im optimistic about coach Anderson because it is still early, but the lack of half court offense really scares me. They literally do nothing and even when they do get an open look they miss. I see better plays run in high school basketball.