Pitino to Iona?

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Re: Pitino to Iona?
« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2020, 11:45:49 AM »
Funny because I think Earlington kind of plays like a stronger less skilled version of him (right now).



Why is it so hard for our fans to just admit that Heron didn’t fit with what Anderson does? Kids fit certain systems better. Butler has that jacked point forward a few years back...I want to say his name was Roosevelt Jones. He was awesome for them but he wouldn’t work in Anderson’s system.

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« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2020, 11:48:38 AM »

Good points and to be clear I’m as big an LJ fan as there is. I think his “regression” was greatly overstated and had much to do with the points you mentioned but if I’m honest I did expect him to handle being a primary option a little better. Still he was clearly our best player and his all around game rarely took nights off.



did not regress at all. because of our lack of offense he was keyed on. tough to score if you are doubled significantly. 3 pt improved. everyone missed ponds drawing the double

Re: Pitino to Iona?
« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2020, 12:02:01 PM »
Funny because I think Earlington kind of plays like a stronger less skilled version of him (right now).




IDK, Body type there is some comparison but Jones was essentially their PG.
*wipes ketchup from his eyes* - I guess Heinz sight isn’t 20/20.

Re: Pitino to Iona?
« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2020, 12:14:53 PM »
True Earlington isn’t anywhere near the level of playmaker with PG skills right now. I was looking at it from the sense of body type and the unorthodox nature in which they score. I don’t recall if Jones hit 3s which is an area Earlington improved on during the season.

Re: Pitino to Iona?
« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2020, 12:24:18 PM »
True Earlington isn’t anywhere near the level of playmaker with PG skills right now. I was looking at it from the sense of body type and the unorthodox nature in which they score. I don’t recall if Jones hit 3s which is an area Earlington improved on during the season.

Hit only one 3 pointer in his career. Led butler in assists his last 3 seasons. He was one of my favorite players to watch. I think Earlington can be Jayvaughn Pinkston eventually.
*wipes ketchup from his eyes* - I guess Heinz sight isn’t 20/20.

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« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2020, 12:53:45 PM »
Like I said at the beginning of the season Earlington is our Draymond Green. He does whatever you need him to do to win the game. His nose for the ball and sense of where to be on the court at all times are two of his best traits. The two biggest areas the Duke needs to refine are his outside shooting and keeping his head up when driving to the hoop. He tends to run into defenders a lot and force looks when driving because of this. I never thought he would make the jump he made this year. A lot of credit goes to Anderson for his development as well as several other underclassmen.

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« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2020, 02:07:37 PM »
First 9 games
27.4 min
11.7 ppg
7.1 rebs
50% fg
32% 3fg

Last 9 games of BE season
30.1 min
14.3 ppg
7.8 rebs
46% fg
36% fg

Significantly less time?
Didn’t improve?
Nuance?

Not to mention the significant increase in the level of competition the last 9 games as compared to the first 9 games.

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« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2020, 04:57:08 PM »
Funny because I think Earlington kind of plays like a stronger less skilled version of him (right now).


Earlington has very good instincts on offense. Regardless of the system he’s in, Heron didn’t have good instincts on offense or defense. I don’t know what he was thinking half the time. He was like that last year and this year, too. It ain’t the coach.

Earlington isn’t as athletic as Heron, but he showed us this season that he can score in a variety of ways, and that he has a real knack for the ball.

The more I think about it, Champagnie at the 5 and Earlington at the 4 could work.

I could see Earlington developing some Ty Grant moves in the low post, but he needs to become a smarter defender. That’s where his game needs the most work.

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Re: Pitino to Iona?
« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2020, 05:43:44 PM »
Earlington has very good instincts on offense. Regardless of the system he’s in, Heron didn’t have good instincts on offense or defense. I don’t know what he was thinking half the time. He was like that last year and this year, too. It ain’t the coach.

Earlington isn’t as athletic as Heron, but he showed us this season that he can score in a variety of ways, and that he has a real knack for the ball.

The more I think about it, Champagnie at the 5 and Earlington at the 4 could work.

I could see Earlington developing some Ty Grant moves in the low post, but he needs to become a smarter defender. That’s where his game needs the most work.
IMO Champ at the 5 and Earlington at the 4 at the end of the year did work. We played well against good competition. They are only going to get better and if we are lucky Champ is still growing.  That’s not to say a grad  transfer true 5 wouldn’t be a welcome addition.
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« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2020, 05:59:28 PM »
Funny because I think Earlington kind of plays like a stronger less skilled version of him (right now).




That can work inside with Anderson.

I don’t see much similarity with Jones and Earlington. Jones had the slowest pace of play in the conference and overpowered smaller guys.

Earlington is less skilled, moves quickly, and is wild.
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« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2020, 06:00:27 PM »
Not to mention the significant increase in the level of competition the last 9 games as compared to the first 9 games.

No Heron the last 9.

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« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2020, 06:01:39 PM »
Like I said at the beginning of the season Earlington is our Draymond Green. He does whatever you need him to do to win the game. His nose for the ball and sense of where to be on the court at all times are two of his best traits. The two biggest areas the Duke needs to refine are his outside shooting and keeping his head up when driving to the hoop. He tends to run into defenders a lot and force looks when driving because of this. I never thought he would make the jump he made this year. A lot of credit goes to Anderson for his development as well as several other underclassmen.

This is why you are considered an idiot. Green is a defensive wizard. Earlington can’t defend.

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« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2020, 06:12:24 PM »
Last season in limited viewing I thought Williams was promising and Duke and Dr. Roberts were just plain bad.

Duke's stock is through the roof based on his play down the stretch and I'm optimistic about the other two.  It's been a pleasant surprise.

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« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2020, 06:36:32 PM »
This is why you are considered an idiot. Green is a defensive wizard. Earlington can’t defend.

He isn't as bad defensively as you make him out to be. He's at a significant height disadvantage against almost all the players he's guarding. Of course he's going to struggle in that regard, Einstein. His D will improve.

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« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2020, 07:21:25 PM »
He isn't as bad defensively as you make him out to be. He's at a significant height disadvantage against almost all the players he's guarding. Of course he's going to struggle in that regard, Einstein. His D will improve.

You should go back and look at your "he's not a Big East player" posts, they're enlightening.

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« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2020, 07:34:46 PM »
You should go back and look at your "he's not a Big East player" posts, they're enlightening.

If you're going to mention those then don't forget to include all the ones that have followed since where I have talked him up and been amazed by his development. That would be a much more accurate portrayal than you just choosing selective quotes from a long time ago. However, that doesn't fit your out of context narrative which is rather unenlightening.

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« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2020, 08:48:38 PM »
Like I said at the beginning of the season Earlington is our Draymond Green. He does whatever you need him to do to win the game. His nose for the ball and sense of where to be on the court at all times are two of his best traits. The two biggest areas the Duke needs to refine are his outside shooting and keeping his head up when driving to the hoop. He tends to run into defenders a lot and force looks when driving because of this. I never thought he would make the jump he made this year. A lot of credit goes to Anderson for his development as well as several other underclassmen.

I have thought this for some time now, but never said it out loud.  Draymond's first couple years with the Warriors his shooting %s were dreadful, but Mark Jackson gave him a fair amount of minutes even as a rookie.  I wondered what Jackson saw in him.  Now, of course, we all know.  I think Earlington has similar intangibles.  He has a lot of upside.

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« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2020, 10:05:24 PM »
He isn't as bad defensively as you make him out to be. He's at a significant height disadvantage against almost all the players he's guarding. Of course he's going to struggle in that regard, Einstein. His D will improve.

He’s he same height at Green, Linus Pauling.

Re: Pitino to Iona?
« Reply #98 on: March 19, 2020, 08:08:52 PM »
I like Earlington and always have. I saw him play at Bosco throughout the years and  watched him at a practice I saw last year.

He has sneaky athleticism with very good instincts. He surprises people on the court. He knows where to position himself for rebounds and uses his body well. His jumper is good. Mitch Richmond worked with him on his mechanics (believe it or not). He stayed in the gym hard this summer. He got the opportunity and capitalized. I don't think this staff expected much from him. All he needed was an opportunity though and he got it. That's why when some poster on here with "inside info" said he wouldn't crack the rotation and wasn't holding it down in practice I laughed.
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Re: Pitino to Iona?
« Reply #99 on: March 19, 2020, 08:55:35 PM »
selective quotes from a long time ago

Speaking of out of context selective quotes, here's what you said when ME was being considered for a scholarship Mr Garfinkel, while arguing against all comers who thought signing a 2nd team all state player might not have been the worst idea. Obviously you're right now, goes without saying and all this stuff is water under the bridge.

This guy's a mid major PF.

Dexter Gray would be a higher rated recruit

not a BE level PF at all.

I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF

Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.

Not sure why SJU is settling for this guy

a marginal prospect

may be a 2 star rated player

Norm could've easily landed this kid

He may never be more than a backup

Maybe 3 years down the line he's a serviceable reserve

Earlington is clearly in way over his head. This may be a case of Mullin doing a favor to someone

Oopsie!