Best Johnnies of al time!!

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No Billy Paultz...Johnny Warren...Joe DePre...Greg Cluess...Zeke Zawaluk...LeRoy Ellis...Kevin Loughery...George Johnson.  I guess winning wasn't part of the criteria.

no Mel Davis either.  20ppg 16rpg for his career. 

no Mel Davis either.  20ppg 16rpg for his career. 

He was no Durand Johnson who did make the list. LOL

No Bootsy, but Geno made it. GTFOH.

He was no Durand Johnson who did make the list. LOL

Durand Johnson = Mustapha Heron
Same player.

I cringe at that list with some of those names.

Was Boo Hervey on it ? My eyes are blind from seeing some of the other names.

Bobre voting Sean Evans ever minute

Ponds > Hatten, Harrison, Hardy

Ponds > Hatten, Harrison, Hardy

Ponds wasn’t better than Hatten. He collapsed at the end of every season. Harrison wasn’t in Hardy’s league. Not even as a senior.

It's not a fixed list.  You can hit the up/down arrows to vote.

It's not a fixed list.  You can hit the up/down arrows to vote.

I know, and that’s what’s wrong with it.

It's not a fixed list.  You can hit the up/down arrows to vote.

But what about players that were better than many that made the list but aren't on it at all?

The writer must be friends with Durand Johnson

Chris Mullin! Chris Mullin! Chris Mullin!

Ponds wasn’t better than Hatten. He collapsed at the end of every season. Harrison wasn’t in Hardy’s league. Not even as a senior.

Wrong on all accounts. Harrison was better than Hardy.

Hatten had the team built around him we were #10 in the country in offensive rebounds one year and #1 overall in the ENTIRE country his other year. #5 that year had almost 100 less offensive rebounds! The team was built to screen for him and then rebound. Imagine Ponds had that?

It’s crazy how people don’t recalibrate their understanding of St. John’s hoops after the huge decline we’ve had. Hatten had #23 RSCI Anthony Glover and McDonald’s All-American and #28 RSCI Ingram on that team plus #63 RSCI in Cuffe and top 100 Willie Shaw.

All some remember is that Cuffe was kind of disappointing and Ingram missed all those treys at Syracuse. Those were full rosters of highly regarded recruits with 230+ pounders all over the place. Andre Stanley was a freaking walk-on.

We’ve had one truly full roster since and that was Hardy’s senior year.

Wrong on all accounts. Harrison was better than Hardy.

Hatten had the team built around him we were #10 in the country in offensive rebounds one year and #1 overall in the ENTIRE country his other year. #5 that year had almost 100 less offensive rebounds! The team was built to screen for him and then rebound. Imagine Ponds had that?

It’s crazy how people don’t recalibrate their understanding of St. John’s hoops after the huge decline we’ve had. Hatten had #23 RSCI Anthony Glover and McDonald’s All-American and #28 RSCI Ingram on that team plus #63 RSCI in Cuffe and top 100 Willie Shaw.

All some remember is that Cuffe was kind of disappointing and Ingram missed all those treys at Syracuse. Those were full rosters of highly regarded recruits with 230+ pounders all over the place. Andre Stanley was a freaking walk-on.

We’ve had one truly full roster since and that was Hardy’s senior year.

It’s true that Hatten had some highly ranked players, but this should serve as proof that sometimes the rankings are wrong.

Ingram is one of the worst starters we’ve ever had. Right up there with Heron and Bangura. Hatten was better off with Stanley starting. At least he knew he couldn’t shoot.

Willie Shaw was lazy and highly overrated. He didn’t hold a candle to Ben Gordon. Some guys are good to get high and play. He wasn’t.

Glover was a top 50 recruit. Ok.
But Ponds has Clark, Simon and Keita who were all top 100. I don’t think there was such a difference talent wise. It’s not like we had NBA players surrounding Hatten. He was only player any opposing team ever had to worry about. No one said, we gotta stop Elijah Ingram. Thankfully, his cell phone provider came through when he needed it to.

It’s true that Hatten had some highly ranked players, but this should serve as proof that sometimes the rankings are wrong.

Ingram is one of the worst starters we’ve ever had. Right up there with Heron and Bangura. Hatten was better off with Stanley starting. At least he knew he couldn’t shoot.

Willie Shaw was lazy and highly overrated. He didn’t hold a candle to Ben Gordon. Some guys are good to get high and play. He wasn’t.

Glover was a top 50 recruit. Ok.
But Ponds has Clark, Simon and Keita who were all top 100. I don’t think there was such a difference talent wise. It’s not like we had NBA players surrounding Hatten. He was only player any opposing team ever had to worry about. No one said, we gotta stop Elijah Ingram. Thankfully, his cell phone provider came through when he needed it to.

Rankings aren’t always right, but you can’t call all those players misses. Glover was a manchild. Ingram has a solid career and was ranked higher because he was just so ready. Cuffe averaged 8.1 pts 5.0 boards, screened his ass off, defended, shot 47% from the field at a listed 6’9 243 over four years. How much do people expect at #63?

Even beyond those highly ranked guys, Hatten’s teams had huge bodies all over. Mo Diakate, Abe the rat Keita, Curtis Johnson, Grady Reynolds, Anthony Glover, Donald Emanuel, Kyle Cuffe, and Eric King. And those guys actually took care of their screening and rebounding duties. We took that for granted back then before the Sampsons and Clarkes. Marvin was not a too 100 recruit fwiw.

There is something to be said of full rosters too. Imagine a 10-14 on the roster (in a 13 scholarship league) of Tim Doyle, Tristan Smith, Curtis Johnson, and Andre Stanley with Ponds or Harrison? You could argue that 3/4 of of those guys were better ball-handlers and passers than anyone Ponds had. Justin Simon was awful as the second ball-handler. Perhaps the worse in the history of the Big East conference.

And Sharif Fordham was a beast who wasn’t ranked at all. It goes both ways.

We took a lot of stuff for granted 2001-2003. We just won the Big East and were pulling out huge recruiting classes left and right. Defense, screening, physicality...it was all expected then.

Rankings aren’t always right, but you can’t call all those players misses. Glover was a manchild. Ingram has a solid career and was ranked higher because he was just so ready. Cuffe averaged 8.1 pts 5.0 boards, screened his ass off, defended, shot 47% from the field at a listed 6’9 243 over four years. How much do people expect at #63?

Even beyond those highly ranked guys, Hatten’s teams had huge bodies all over. Mo Diakate, Abe the rat Keita, Curtis Johnson, Grady Reynolds, Anthony Glover, Donald Emanuel, Kyle Cuffe, and Eric King. And those guys actually took care of their screening and rebounding duties. We took that for granted back then before the Sampsons and Clarkes. Marvin was not a too 100 recruit fwiw.

There is something to be said of full rosters too. Imagine a 10-14 on the roster (in a 13 scholarship league) of Tim Doyle, Tristan Smith, Curtis Johnson, and Andre Stanley with Ponds or Harrison? You could argue that 3/4 of of those guys were better ball-handlers and passers than anyone Ponds had. Justin Simon was awful as the second ball-handler. Perhaps the worse in the history of the Big East conference.

And Sharif Fordham was a beast who wasn’t ranked at all. It goes both ways.

We took a lot of stuff for granted 2001-2003. We just won the Big East and were pulling out huge recruiting classes left and right. Defense, screening, physicality...it was all expected then.

What a steam of consciousness or should I say unconsciousness? NBA all stars all. Mo Diakite had one basket in 4 years LOL.

What a steam of consciousness or should I say unconsciousness? NBA all stars all. Mo Diakite had one basket in 4 years LOL.

You make such stupid straw man arguments. This is St. John’s we don’t produce NBA All-Stars.

Big men in the range of Diakate miss all the time. He may not have lived up to #52 ranking but you don’t think we could have used him on every team the last decade? We keep clammoring for a 6’10+ big man to play 15 mins.

He had a ton of comp for his minutes. He wouldn’t have had much the last decade.

You make such stupid straw man arguments. This is St. John’s we don’t produce NBA All-Stars.

Big men in the range of Diakate miss all the time. He may not have lived up to #52 ranking but you don’t think we could have used him on every team the last decade? We keep clammoring for a 6’10+ big man to play 15 mins.

He had a ton of comp for his minutes. He wouldn’t have had much the last decade.

You and your straw man accusations are a joke. One basket in 4 years. Steere had one basket in 7 games and we never used him so the answer to your question is a big fat NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Your basketball opinions are severely deranged nothing personal mind you.