When do the excuses run out?

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #200 on: March 26, 2021, 02:05:52 PM »
A winning record in conference is only meaningless to those who choose not to recognize achievement. Anderson 1 - YOUR boy 0.  Last regime took 4 years to dance. Anderson's already ahead of schedule in comparison. If Anderson dances next year, he beats YOUR boy. The end. 
Riddle me this? Season A: Team goes 10 - 9 in conference earning an NIT bid which they decline it's so meaningful; Season B: Team goes 8 - 10 in conference earning an Ncaa bid.  Which season was better?...Thanks for playing.  He's not ahead of schedule in comparison as he had a MUCH better starting position. IF you were a St. John's fan he would be YOUR boy as well.

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #201 on: March 26, 2021, 02:43:33 PM »
We are specifically discussing LJ here. In this case he's clearly actually good.  In fact, actually very good and he would have made for a potent 1 -2 punch with JC that could have been the difference.
He played the passing lanes well.I think he coulda learned a lot of hoops stuff here. Whose decision was it to leave here.

Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #202 on: March 27, 2021, 08:26:20 AM »
He has just recently replaced Will Brown at Albany and naturally I've never heard of him so I was interested in your general opinion.  More specifically, do you think he has what it takes to make a decent head coach?

Oh yea. Great character guy, well respected, great pulse on recruiting, good relationships throughout east coast.
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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #203 on: March 28, 2021, 12:44:04 AM »
Eric Musselman guides Arkansas into the Elite Eight. Mike Anderson never got out of the first weekend in 8 seasons coaching the Razorbacks. I know our expectations are different here at St. John's.

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #204 on: March 28, 2021, 12:44:05 PM »
Eric Musselman guides Arkansas into the Elite Eight. Mike Anderson never got out of the first weekend in 8 seasons coaching the Razorbacks. I know our expectations are different here at St. John's.

I caught some flack for saying they made a major upgrade with Musselman over Anderson.

Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #205 on: March 28, 2021, 02:05:52 PM »
Oh yea. Great character guy, well respected, great pulse on recruiting, good relationships throughout east coast.
Thanks.  Hopefully, he can bring some good east coast talent to the capital.  The last admin. was very reliant on Australian recruits.

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #206 on: March 28, 2021, 04:02:53 PM »
I caught some flack for saying they made a major upgrade with Musselman over Anderson.
Ark. is allowed to upgrade and you are allowed to be right. St.Johns, lucky or not got a better coach then they have had in years, and good for them.

Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #207 on: March 29, 2021, 09:56:26 PM »
Ark. is allowed to upgrade and you are allowed to be right. St.Johns, lucky or not got a better coach then they have had in years, and good for them.

That's yet to be determined. Let him make a few tourneys here first or win more than one game in our conference tourney.

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #208 on: March 29, 2021, 10:00:47 PM »
That's yet to be determined. Let him make a few tourneys here first or win more than one game in our conference tourney.

BE COY.

Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #209 on: March 30, 2021, 12:48:07 AM »
BE COY.

Empty award. There were some nice moments and he overachieved considering our pre-season projections, but we were still a 4th place team, lost our only game in the BE tournament, didn't make the NCAA, and if you really look at it, the entire conference was way down.

All I'm saying is let's not appoint this man as the savior yet.

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #210 on: March 30, 2021, 02:50:53 AM »
BE COY.

What does that mean, though? We weren't even in the next four out category.  The award could literally go to Jay Wright every year.

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #211 on: March 30, 2021, 11:56:32 AM »
What does that mean, though? We weren't even in the next four out category.  The award could literally go to Jay Wright every year.

I think like with all new coaches at programs that aren't Kansas and Indiana, a reasonable amount of time should be allowed before you should expect to have the program that you signed up for.

You're the guy saying we gotta be realistic. Coach Anderson was a Posh Alexander injury away from the NCAA tournament in year two. That's not amazing progress, but it's promising considering how Roberts, Lavin and Mullin did with their first real class.

Coach Anderson should be given time to build his program.

Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #212 on: March 30, 2021, 04:17:32 PM »
Coach Anderson should be given time to build his program.
No kidding. There are no right minded people, or people even, calling for CFC's removal. Everybody here supports him and wants him to be a glowing success.  I, and other fans, were against Hollywood's removal.  Then we were against the hero's removal. If CFC ever has the misfortune to qualify for the Ncaa tournament, then we'll be against his removal as well.

Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #213 on: March 31, 2021, 02:39:16 PM »
Rumors out there about possible transfers involving a few of our core guys. Stayed tuned.

Was told about this several weeks ago.
Sad to see Greg and Celly go.

This is the staff that's going to get us to the next level? I understand a few transfers but this is now 7 guys and 3 upperclassmen. I hope they can put together a solid roster.

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #214 on: March 31, 2021, 03:35:43 PM »
Was told about this several weeks ago.
Sad to see Greg and Celly go.

This is the staff that's going to get us to the next level? I understand a few transfers but this is now 7 guys and 3 upperclassmen. I hope they can put together a solid roster.

Coming off a year where they showed tremendous progress and were a bubble team in only Year 2, do you really think there's a mass exodus because the program's in disarray?

Contrary to what you may believe the sky is not falling here.

It's well known that this is going to be the biggest transfer year in forever due to covid easing transfer restrictions.

It's also well known that Anderson relies to a good degree on the transfer market.

That would add up to tell me that the fun's just beginning and there's several additions to come. I'm cautiously optimistic it plays out like this.

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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #215 on: March 31, 2021, 03:44:43 PM »
I think like with all new coaches at programs that aren't Kansas and Indiana, a reasonable amount of time should be allowed before you should expect to have the program that you signed up for.

You're the guy saying we gotta be realistic. Coach Anderson was a Posh Alexander injury away from the NCAA tournament in year two. That's not amazing progress, but it's promising considering how Roberts, Lavin and Mullin did with their first real class.

Coach Anderson should be given time to build his program.

I am the president of giving coaches more time club.  I see these transfers as a natural consequence of firing coaches.  Firing coaches leads to transfers and lost recruits...which leads to the new coach reaching on guys...which leads to them being recruited over...which leads to a new wave of transfers. 

I have said many times that I think Anderson is as good as we can reasonably expect here. But I have serious concerns about his ability to land coveted players.  I just don't know how reasonable it is to expect him to be successful finding guys like Champ and Wusu every year. We also don't seem to be very good in the transfer market.

Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #216 on: April 03, 2021, 10:39:28 AM »
I don't understand fans thinking this was a bubble club, that bubble only floated a short moment at most, an 16/10 is a mediocre season really, a new roster makeover for next year, expectations for next year should be on par with this season again, mediocre, just reality folks. Mike will proclaim he needs another year ever year, the college game has out grown his ways, fine fellow but not with the times of modern day microwave raised kids.

Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #217 on: April 03, 2021, 12:16:03 PM »
I don't understand fans thinking this was a bubble club, that bubble only floated a short moment at most, an 16/10 is a mediocre season really, a new roster makeover for next year, expectations for next year should be on par with this season again, mediocre, just reality folks. Mike will proclaim he needs another year ever year, the college game has out grown his ways, fine fellow but not with the times of modern day microwave raised kids.

This is kind of it. I got killed when I said Anderson would be what Seth Greenberg was to VA Tech. Not an insult in the slightest but the floor raises and ceiling doesn't rise.

The core of the team all bouncing happened a year later than I expected. Every guy who left was on the fence the year before too. The swing and misses on Sears, McGriff, Cole, Toro should be criticized just as much as hits of Champagnie, Posh, Wasu should be praised.

Next year isn't a complete wash but will be a stop gap year in year 3.
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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #218 on: April 03, 2021, 01:43:00 PM »
This is kind of it. I got killed when I said Anderson would be what Seth Greenberg was to VA Tech. Not an insult in the slightest but the floor raises and ceiling doesn't rise.

The core of the team all bouncing happened a year later than I expected. Every guy who left was on the fence the year before too. The swing and misses on Sears, McGriff, Cole, Toro should be criticized just as much as hits of Champagnie, Posh, Wasu should be praised.

Next year isn't a complete wash but will be a stop gap year in year 3.

I agree the ceiling with MA isn’t very high, seems like he will produce teams with upset potential in the tourney. I’d sign up for that.

Happy to see what he does with quick turnaround recruiting this year, everything hinging on Penny.
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Re: When do the excuses run out?
« Reply #219 on: April 03, 2021, 06:01:42 PM »
One tourney win in 12 years. Numbers don't lie.