Norm supporters...

no oldred in a while. once again he shows that hes a coward.

no oldred in a while. once again he shows that hes a coward.

Dude get over Oldred.  Maybe unlike most fans he is taking awhile to cool down after a bad loss, instead of coming on these boards and hating on the team.  Seriously, why to do you care that he isnt posting ?  Is it because you want to try and bait him or hate on him because of his optimism ? 

why theo? Come on dude

Maybe Johnniesfan and PMG have kidnapped him and have him tied up in the basement

i hope norm does well.  and i've been patient. but it looks like it's time for him to go.  terrible recruiting job this year..just DREADFUL.  and losing to niagara shows not much as changed.  even w/out mason we should have beaten them fairly easily..

I will play devil's advocate here. Norm plans on Q being here invests his eggs into the Sylven sweepstakes assuming we have only 1 scholarship available. Q leaves we have 2 scholarships and we went after everyone hard but perhaps too late to be considered seriously.

Norm has had success recruiting in the spring maybe because his hand has been forced this way with the prior sanctions that were handed down on the team. Has recruiting been dreadful so far this year, yea but I'm not sure it's fair to write this year off as failure.  It is also an option that we could hold out and use those 1-2 scholarships in '09. I think this team could benefit from two JUCO players at PG and C.

Now I'm not saying I agree with everything stated above as I'm playing devil's advocate but one can argue both ways.

Some of the nastiness from the otha board comin over here in some posts most recent. Reason I left that place cause they was a lil mo civility ova here. Think it should continue. No need fo them personal attacks and name callin. We all adults now.

you left that place because you couldn't take the heat.

Quote from: pmg911 on December 17, 2007, 12:53:57 PM

WHERE ARE YOU..?

People that are objective on their thoughts on the team & players, the current state of the program and thoughts on the coaching staff get called..  "HATERS". .  "BAITERS".. "CLOWNS". . "PHOENYS"  or  "INSTIGATORS"...

But when we lose to a very "average" Niagra team because Norm got out coached, yet again, you guys are "SILENT"..!!!

  you bashed STJ for losing to Miami, which is now a top 25 team, and now 9-0...now you are claiming they lost to an average Niagra team, the same team that went to the ncaa tourney last season, the same team with the nations leading scorer....also a very veteran club....we also lost to them in a close game, without our best two players, and if you dont think Rob Thomas is our second best player, you have not seen him play....atleast you are consistant..

Niagra is VERY average...   they have already lost to Liberty who is 5 - 5 and Towson who is 4 - 5...   just because they made the NCAA Tournament last year doesn't mean a thing for this year...  this is team that lost 3 senior starters from last year and was picked to finish 3rd in their conference by their fellow coaches.. (**before you say it again. . i know..   the pre-season polls mean nothing...**)

At the beginning of the year I thought St. John's would beat Miami...    I sure was wrong on that one..  they could be 15 - 0..     there is still no way the team should have ever gotten blown out in the 2nd half of that game...  and lets see if Miami finishes the year anywhere near the Top 25...

Rob Thomas IS NOT the 2nd best player on this team..   if he hadn't gotten hurt he might have been but coming off a brutal knee injury he is not...  if anyone thinks he is going to given this team anything more then a moral boost they are not realistic...

And you know. . I have been very consistent since I started posting on JJ and BEB...   I have said the same thing over and over and over...  NORM ROBERTS is not a good coach and is in completely over his head at hte Big East level... (as a former St. John's players said to me about Norm..   "some guys were meant to be assistants")   but 1/2 the time I say I am called an instigator. . a phoney... a clown...  and my favorite one. . "a hater"...

And for you, of all people, to say anything about being consistent is a joke...  you flip flop more then anyone. Since I have posted on the boards you have been an AVID supporter of Norm Roberts...   one awful loss to Niagra and you meant off on him over on BEB (which you were 100% right about in your assesment)...     and you did the same thing last year after Maryland game...    you are certainly entitled to your opinion and to change that opinion whenever you feel like it but at least my opinion of the sitaution isn't shifting like a fart in the wind....

you left that place because you couldn't take the heat.

Nah, it wuz just flat out badness ova there. Dont mind differin views an all but it just went down to the lowest of lows. Aint seen no one accusin no one of bein a child molester ova here.

Quote from: southernjohnny on December 18, 2007, 09:24:50 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on December 17, 2007, 12:53:57 PM

WHERE ARE YOU..?

People that are objective on their thoughts on the team & players, the current state of the program and thoughts on the coaching staff get called..  "HATERS". .  "BAITERS".. "CLOWNS". . "PHOENYS"  or  "INSTIGATORS"...

But when we lose to a very "average" Niagra team because Norm got out coached, yet again, you guys are "SILENT"..!!!

  you bashed STJ for losing to Miami, which is now a top 25 team, and now 9-0...now you are claiming they lost to an average Niagra team, the same team that went to the ncaa tourney last season, the same team with the nations leading scorer....also a very veteran club....we also lost to them in a close game, without our best two players, and if you dont think Rob Thomas is our second best player, you have not seen him play....atleast you are consistant..

Niagra is VERY average...   they have already lost to Liberty who is 5 - 5 and Towson who is 4 - 5...   just because they made the NCAA Tournament last year doesn't mean a thing for this year...  this is team that lost 3 senior starters from last year and was picked to finish 3rd in their conference by their fellow coaches.. (**before you say it again. . i know..   the pre-season polls mean nothing...**)

At the beginning of the year I thought St. John's would beat Miami...    I sure was wrong on that one..  they could be 15 - 0..     there is still no way the team should have ever gotten blown out in the 2nd half of that game...  and lets see if Miami finishes the year anywhere near the Top 25...

Rob Thomas IS NOT the 2nd best player on this team..   if he hadn't gotten hurt he might have been but coming off a brutal knee injury he is not...  if anyone thinks he is going to given this team anything more then a moral boost they are not realistic...

And you know. . I have been very consistent since I started posting on JJ and BEB...   I have said the same thing over and over and over...  NORM ROBERTS is not a good coach and is in completely over his head at hte Big East level... (as a former St. John's players said to me about Norm..   "some guys were meant to be assistants")   but 1/2 the time I say I am called an instigator. . a phoney... a clown...  and my favorite one. . "a hater"...

And for you, of all people, to say anything about being consistent is a joke...  you flip flop more then anyone. Since I have posted on the boards you have been an AVID supporter of Norm Roberts...   one awful loss to Niagra and you meant off on him over on BEB (which you were 100% right about in your assesment)...     and you did the same thing last year after Maryland game...    you are certainly entitled to your opinion and to change that opinion whenever you feel like it but at least my opinion of the sitaution isn't shifting like a fart in the wind....

  If you read my post on the other board, i did not call for Norm to be fired...If you read all my posts, i have never said he was a good game coach...I have supported him, and will continue to do so for the season..you give a partial assesment on Niagra, of those graduated seniors, how many ppg did they lose?? not much, as their top 3 scorers are back..Miami also plays in the toughest conference in america this season..RT is the second best player on this team.and when you say devastating injury, you are correct, otherwise he would be head and shoulders above the rest.i dont expect much from him til the spring..you get 10 minutes from him off the bench, and there is no need for Evans to be in the game crunch time...we win the Niagra game..He may of hurt his knee, but it certainly has not affected his shooting, and foul shooting abilities..but you keep on hating..i may join you at the end of the season if things do not get better.

I will play devil's advocate here. Norm plans on Q being here invests his eggs into the Sylven sweepstakes assuming we have only 1 scholarship available. Q leaves we have 2 scholarships and we went after everyone hard but perhaps too late to be considered seriously.

Norm has had success recruiting in the spring maybe because his hand has been forced this way with the prior sanctions that were handed down on the team. Has recruiting been dreadful so far this year, yea but I'm not sure it's fair to write this year off as failure.  It is also an option that we could hold out and use those 1-2 scholarships in '09. I think this team could benefit from two JUCO players at PG and C.

Now I'm not saying I agree with everything stated above as I'm playing devil's advocate but one can argue both ways.

Under that scenario, it just makes the Sean Evans signing more puzzling and stupid.

Quote from: JJ on December 18, 2007, 08:11:01 PM

I will play devil's advocate here. Norm plans on Q being here invests his eggs into the Sylven sweepstakes assuming we have only 1 scholarship available. Q leaves we have 2 scholarships and we went after everyone hard but perhaps too late to be considered seriously.

Norm has had success recruiting in the spring maybe because his hand has been forced this way with the prior sanctions that were handed down on the team. Has recruiting been dreadful so far this year, yea but I'm not sure it's fair to write this year off as failure.  It is also an option that we could hold out and use those 1-2 scholarships in '09. I think this team could benefit from two JUCO players at PG and C.

Now I'm not saying I agree with everything stated above as I'm playing devil's advocate but one can argue both ways.

Under that scenario, it just makes the Sean Evans signing more puzzling and stupid.

i agree. offering sean evans was a bad move IMO.  the staff wouldve been able to spread out the 'ships for 08 a little bit more and likely wouldve wound up with truck bryant. bryant (a pg) wouldve been a more valuable commodity over 4 years than sean evans will likely be.

We didn't know Q was out when we got Sean Evans. Its a messy situation no doubt about it.

We didn't know Q was out when we got Sean Evans. Its a messy situation no doubt about it.

even more of a reason to save the scholarship

Quote from: JJ on December 19, 2007, 03:08:47 PM

We didn't know Q was out when we got Sean Evans. Its a messy situation no doubt about it.

even more of a reason to save the scholarship

i knew and told them they better get q back. they needed another shooter. guys gotta know evans isnt projected as a big to them. they are hoping he develops into a wing

Sure no one calls anyone a child molester here choz...but it wasn't that.

Hey, I'm not going to tell you what to think.  You can live out your existence thinking Norm Roberts, who has proved he can win the NEC with a Big East team and nothing else, is the right man for the job.  More power to you.  Me on the other hand, will just not accept that bologna. 

Niagra is a MAC team.  We are a Big East team.  It should be a win.  It in the past had always been a win.  Stop making excuses.  Ditto with Ohio.  Hell, same with Marist, we've lost to them with Norm as the coach.  Can anyone tell me with a straight face that that is a slam dunk win?  That's how sad the program has become.  And the sooner everyone realizes that the future doesn't look any better with the upcoming recruiting class of...nothing, the better.

Sure no one calls anyone a child molester here choz...but it wasn't that.

Hey, I'm not going to tell you what to think.  You can live out your existence thinking Norm Roberts, who has proved he can win the NEC with a Big East team and nothing else, is the right man for the job.  More power to you.  Me on the other hand, will just not accept that bologna. 

Niagra is a MAC team.  We are a Big East team.  It should be a win.  It in the past had always been a win.  Stop making excuses.  Ditto with Ohio.  Hell, same with Marist, we've lost to them with Norm as the coach.  Can anyone tell me with a straight face that that is a slam dunk win?  That's how sad the program has become.  And the sooner everyone realizes that the future doesn't look any better with the upcoming recruiting class of...nothing, the better.

You see any excuses bein made by me, bingo?

The second paragraph was not in response to you.  The first one was.

Sure no one calls anyone a child molester here choz...but it wasn't that.

Hey, I'm not going to tell you what to think.  You can live out your existence thinking Norm Roberts, who has proved he can win the NEC with a Big East team and nothing else, is the right man for the job.  More power to you.  Me on the other hand, will just not accept that bologna. 

Niagra is a MAC team.  We are a Big East team.  It should be a win.  It in the past had always been a win.  Stop making excuses.  Ditto with Ohio.  Hell, same with Marist, we've lost to them with Norm as the coach.  Can anyone tell me with a straight face that that is a slam dunk win?  That's how sad the program has become.  And the sooner everyone realizes that the future doesn't look any better with the upcoming recruiting class of...nothing, the better.

  This teams only immediate need is a pg...that is it...we have two centers, one with some promise, and we are loaded with guys playing the 2-4....you also get a healthy Rob Thomas next season....that in itself is big...but i agree we need a pg...and if you .look at Fran, and Louie careers, they lost to some cupcakes as well...so has Pitino..