What Can Norm Do Better In Games?

If you were coach what would you do differently? Seriously no need for sarcastic jokes/comments but really if you were coach what would you have done differently? Be as specific and detail oriented as possible. If you can cite examples from recent games please do.

1st thing I would have done is not taken paris out against Miami.  Thats the type of stuff that terrifies me with Norm as its like he has no instincts.  The kid was going off, the garden was starting to get going and he takes him out.  I feel like Norm doesn't ever trust the kids (maybe sometimes hes right) but you need to have faith in your guys not to make a stupid 3rd foul etc.  I also would have gone small in that game ... we were not rebounding anyway so our bigs were basically useless out there.  Why not create some tough matchups for the other team to maybe counterbalance our weakness.

The biggest thing Norm needs to do is light a fire under Justin.  He has to find a way to get this kid to play the way he can play.  I honestly don't know what he should do, but hell, im not the guy getting paid the big bucks, thats his job.

1st thing I would have done is not taken paris out against Miami.  Thats the type of stuff that terrifies me with Norm as its like he has no instincts.  The kid was going off, the garden was starting to get going and he takes him out.  I feel like Norm doesn't ever trust the kids (maybe sometimes hes right) but you need to have faith in your guys not to make a stupid 3rd foul etc.  I also would have gone small in that game ... we were not rebounding anyway so our bigs were basically useless out there.  Why not create some tough matchups for the other team to maybe counterbalance our weakness.

I agree with sticking with the hot hand however I'm not sure specifically when but Paris Horne sat out part of the Miami game due to cramps. I don't know if coincidentally thats when he picked up his 2nd foul or he sat because of fouls and later for cramps I'm not sure. So I'm not sure if Norm is to blame in this case here however he very well could be.

First thing I would do is scrap the halfcourt pressure defense. We guard guys way to far from the basket. every team uses that high pick and roll, we hedge too much and either give up a layup or wide open 3. It also leaves us in terrible rebounding positon as our big hedges and gets caught 30 feet from the hoop.
This style also leaves us suscetible to cheap fouls 50 feet from the basket. Last I checked you can't score from out here.

Next, against the zone put someone on the high post, it's the weak undrbelly of the D. Many good things happen when the ball gets to the middle of any defense.

Last point. How about we stop rotating the bigs at every whistle. Ive been playing my whole life, you can't get a feel for the game when you only play 2 minutes at a time.

There is plenty more but I don't have the time now.

Oh yeah, How about a halftime adjustment. WE get killed every second half.

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

I know he sat with foul trouble, but Norm needs to get Burrell more shots. Use him a pick and pop more.

Start cutting DJ's minutes. Until Boothe gets back we should see Justin or Rob Thomas at the 3. DJ can not play the 2 or 3 if he can not make a jump shot.

Increase Q's minutes.

passes must be much faster. evans is the only person that shoots without hesitation. if shots arent going down, someone needs to create and drive to the basket everytime.

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Exactly.  Norm doesn't do ANYTHING good in games so this thread is kind of funny.  But choz is right, if the stuff PRIOR to games was run properly, this wouldn't even be a big issue.  PRACTICE makes perfect...our team must practice like dogsheet.

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 09:51:27 AM

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Exactly.  Norm doesn't do ANYTHING good in games so this thread is kind of funny.  But choz is right, if the stuff PRIOR to games was run properly, this wouldn't even be a big issue.  PRACTICE makes perfect...our team must practice like dogsheet.

If he doesn't do anything right lets hear some examples tha kid. What would you do differently than Norm?

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 29, 2008, 10:37:33 AM

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 09:51:27 AM

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Exactly.  Norm doesn't do ANYTHING good in games so this thread is kind of funny.  But choz is right, if the stuff PRIOR to games was run properly, this wouldn't even be a big issue.  PRACTICE makes perfect...our team must practice like dogsheet.

If he doesn't do anything right lets hear some examples tha kid. What would you do differently than Norm?

Run an offense.

Quote from: Dave on December 29, 2008, 11:40:31 AM

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 29, 2008, 10:37:33 AM

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 09:51:27 AM

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Exactly.  Norm doesn't do ANYTHING good in games so this thread is kind of funny.  But choz is right, if the stuff PRIOR to games was run properly, this wouldn't even be a big issue.  PRACTICE makes perfect...our team must practice like dogsheet.

If he doesn't do anything right lets hear some examples tha kid. What would you do differently than Norm?

Run an offense.

Don't make me pull teeth...What would you do on offense? What would you focus on more? What would you try to execute?

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 29, 2008, 11:47:52 AM

Quote from: Dave on December 29, 2008, 11:40:31 AM

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 29, 2008, 10:37:33 AM

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 09:51:27 AM

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Exactly.  Norm doesn't do ANYTHING good in games so this thread is kind of funny.  But choz is right, if the stuff PRIOR to games was run properly, this wouldn't even be a big issue.  PRACTICE makes perfect...our team must practice like dogsheet.

If he doesn't do anything right lets hear some examples tha kid. What would you do differently than Norm?

Run an offense.

Don't make me pull teeth...What would you do on offense? What would you focus on more? What would you try to execute?

It's all been said before bro.  We need to push the ball.  We run more than we did last year and it's STILL not enough.  One of the problems with not running though is sometimes our guys are lazy and don't f'n rebound.  If you don't get a quick board, you can't outlet and run --- the BC game we let up a billion offensive rebounds on key possessions.  That's coaching - that you teach in practice.  Burrell should be getting way more boards than he does.  That's why Kennedy is the man, guard getting boards, you like to see that, but when a guard does it its usually about desire and skill, coaching comes in when boxing out is an issue - like with the bigs.

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Choz I am surprised that you wrote this.

In my opinion the team is always well prepared. Norm is a task master. Lets not confuse the recruiting issues.

This game came down to the fact that Miami made shots and out rebounded us. In both the Miami and Va tech game we had 4 minute spurts where did not make good shots. DJ missed wide open jump shots. Evans missed shots where he gets fouled and then misses the free throws.

This years team has a plan and is prepared they just have not executed. Against lower level teams we got away with it.

If I'm Norm - I say the following people are allowed to take 3 point shots, Horne and QR that is all.  And if anyone else takes a 3 point shot and misses I remove him immediately. 

Also, if JB doesn't produce his minutes go to Evans or Thomas.

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 09:51:27 AM

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Choz I am surprised that you wrote this.

In my opinion the team is always well prepared. Norm is a task master. Lets not confuse the recruiting issues.

This game came down to the fact that Miami made shots and out rebounded us. In both the Miami and Va tech game we had 4 minute spurts where did not make good shots. DJ missed wide open jump shots. Evans missed shots where he gets fouled and then misses the free throws.

This years team has a plan and is prepared they just have not executed. Against lower level teams we got away with it.

Then you watchin a diffnt team than me, bre.

Sides yo logic is flat out whacked. If you aint executin then you aint preparin right.

He has recruited in such a mish mashed way that they really is no style he could play and be succesful with. While I honestly feel if you gave him a team with top 20 talent, he would underachieve due to his horrific game coaching, he has not only recruited inferior talent, the talent he has accrued does not mesh well together. In short he is a mess!

Honestly the best he could do is take a nap on the bench and let the players coach themselves! Not being sarcastic, this could work!

Quote from: Red2395 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:43 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 09:51:27 AM

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Choz I am surprised that you wrote this.

In my opinion the team is always well prepared. Norm is a task master. Lets not confuse the recruiting issues.

This game came down to the fact that Miami made shots and out rebounded us. In both the Miami and Va tech game we had 4 minute spurts where did not make good shots. DJ missed wide open jump shots. Evans missed shots where he gets fouled and then misses the free throws.

This years team has a plan and is prepared they just have not executed. Against lower level teams we got away with it.

Then you watchin a diffnt team than me, bre.

Sides yo logic is flat out whacked. If you aint executin then you aint preparin right.

Whacked Really? Go back and review the Miami tape tape we excecuted but did not finish.
With 13:37 minutes left in the game we were down 7 with Sean Evans at the FT to shoot 2 after being fouled on missed layup that he got through solid execution of the offence and he missed both FT's. McClinton goes down and shoots a 3 and we are down 10. Sean goes on to miss 3 more ft in the next 3 minutes on shots where he was fouled at point blank range. Q misses an open 3, Ty throws the ball off of JB's foot. Next thing we know we were down 18.

You can think I am whacked all you want, but it is the fact that the team is not finishing plays with puting the ball in the hoop.  If they were not prepared we would be getting bad shots. We got great shots we just did not make the shots.

Players play the game. Players make shots.

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 02:50:19 PM

Quote from: Red2395 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:43 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 09:51:27 AM

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Choz I am surprised that you wrote this.

In my opinion the team is always well prepared. Norm is a task master. Lets not confuse the recruiting issues.

This game came down to the fact that Miami made shots and out rebounded us. In both the Miami and Va tech game we had 4 minute spurts where did not make good shots. DJ missed wide open jump shots. Evans missed shots where he gets fouled and then misses the free throws.

This years team has a plan and is prepared they just have not executed. Against lower level teams we got away with it.

Then you watchin a diffnt team than me, bre.

Sides yo logic is flat out whacked. If you aint executin then you aint preparin right.

Whacked Really? Go back and review the Miami tape tape we excecuted but did not finish.
With 13:37 minutes left in the game we were down 7 with Sean Evans at the FT to shoot 2 after being fouled on missed layup that he got through solid execution of the offence and he missed both FT's. McClinton goes down and shoots a 3 and we are down 10. Sean goes on to miss 3 more ft in the next 3 minutes on shots where he was fouled at point blank range. Q misses an open 3, Ty throws the ball off of JB's foot. Next thing we know we were down 18.

You can think I am whacked all you want, but it is the fact that the team is not finishing plays with puting the ball in the hoop.  If they were not prepared we would be getting bad shots. We got great shots we just did not make the shots.

Players play the game. Players make shots.

Those are the specifics I'm looking for. Now if someone can add more examples of to what we can do better besides making blanket statements with no support maybe we can get somewhere.

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 02:50:19 PM

Quote from: Red2395 on December 29, 2008, 01:08:43 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on December 29, 2008, 09:51:27 AM

It aint even the in game things thats the real prob.

The real prob is that the team aint ever prepared fo a game.

Thats what practice all 'bout.

When St. John come out and make crisp passes, make sharp cuts, set picks that obstruct an opponent, block out on a reg shot, play sensible D and take shots that are makeable, then I can say they practicin well.

Practice is the coaches lab. And man, all we gots is a few test tubes and a bunsen burner.

Choz I am surprised that you wrote this.

In my opinion the team is always well prepared. Norm is a task master. Lets not confuse the recruiting issues.

This game came down to the fact that Miami made shots and out rebounded us. In both the Miami and Va tech game we had 4 minute spurts where did not make good shots. DJ missed wide open jump shots. Evans missed shots where he gets fouled and then misses the free throws.

This years team has a plan and is prepared they just have not executed. Against lower level teams we got away with it.

Then you watchin a diffnt team than me, bre.

Sides yo logic is flat out whacked. If you aint executin then you aint preparin right.

Whacked Really? Go back and review the Miami tape tape we excecuted but did not finish.
With 13:37 minutes left in the game we were down 7 with Sean Evans at the FT to shoot 2 after being fouled on missed layup that he got through solid execution of the offence and he missed both FT's. McClinton goes down and shoots a 3 and we are down 10. Sean goes on to miss 3 more ft in the next 3 minutes on shots where he was fouled at point blank range. Q misses an open 3, Ty throws the ball off of JB's foot. Next thing we know we were down 18.

You can think I am whacked all you want, but it is the fact that the team is not finishing plays with puting the ball in the hoop.  If they were not prepared we would be getting bad shots. We got great shots we just did not make the shots.

Players play the game. Players make shots.

Y'all talk like playaz come in as finish product like they aint no such thing as player development. Aint the way. Good coachin make players better in all facets.

Coachin can make a mad world of difference in a kid shootin free throws, J's and lay ups. A mad world, yo.

If y'all really think this team come prepare to play night in and out this year or over the last five year, then you seriously aint watchin.

Coach's teams have given up on him. Clear and plain in mo nightmare games than this brother care to remember.

Coach's team is mad sloppy. Always been. Blame Geno all y'all want, but turnovers can be corrected wit good coachin, wit good preparation. Oh lookie! UConn gonna press! GTown gonna trap on the baseline! Shockin! How many time it look like we dont know whats comin?

Coach dont know how to coach 'gainst a zone. Now some y'all say we aint got no shooters, but hells that not the only way y'all beat a zone. Zone got holes. Zone can be exploited in the most serious of ways. High low one of the best way. And coach come from a high low system. But how many time we see biggie flash to the FT line to either dump down or kick out to the baseline fo a lay or short Malik Sealy-patent J?

How many time we see players out of control like they just biddies? How many time we see players take shots that everyone in the buildin know they shouldnt be takin? How many time we see poor block out and defensive positionin? How many time we see players havin no clue what to do when a defense make an adjustment or when a press come or when an opponent get hot? How many time?

Y'all talk like this some well-oil machine. Y'all talk like we got a system that work. Y'all talk like the players just aint up to the level. Hells no.

How many lower schools that have lower level recruits is better coached and can wipe St. John off the map and make yet another embarrasment fo y'all and me? The answer: PLENTY.

So if y'all think this is on the players. Then y'all dont know much 'bout coachin or ball.

Peace Out!
-Choz4Life

Good points all, Choz.