Qa'rraan Calhoun

Anyone notice that he is putting up some nice numbers the last few games...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31977

He is a good player. I think he is sorely missed and he would have been a nice addition to this team's rotation this year and even more so last year. He quit on us so no love loss but he definitely would have fit the mold and scheme of this team ability and style wise.

Just when you thought he would be coming around.......making an impact.....see ya

Sure is getting to jack up a lot of threes in that Penders offense.

i've seem him play all year down here and his coming out party was against UMass...he looked all world in that game...wish SJU still had him. Kid is a good player.

He is a good player. I think he is sorely missed and he would have been a nice addition to this team's rotation this year and even more so last year. He quit on us so no love loss but he definitely would have fit the mold and scheme of this team ability and style wise.

He's the only guy I wish Roberts could've convinced to stick around. For his life, it may have been best to get out of this area.

Calhoun and Wright could have made an unbelievable difference.  Norm should have done whatever possible to keep Calhoun.  He doesn't have the luxury of letting a kid like that walk for the good of the locker room. 

The kid was a dog in the weight room and conditioning. You can't have one player sitting on the ground refusing to run when the rest of his team is there running conditioning drills. You can't also have a mid level player sitting out of practice because he didn't want to push himself! Not good for team chemistry.  Maybe Walter Berry could pull that one off with Louie, but Calhoun ain't no Wooden award winner!

The kid was a dog in the weight room and conditioning. You can't have one player sitting on the ground refusing to run when the rest of his team is there running conditioning drills. You can't also have a mid level player sitting out of practice because he didn't want to push himself! Not good for team chemistry.  Maybe Walter Berry could pull that one off with Louie, but Calhoun ain't no Wooden award winner!

Agreed. However, the kid has talent and he would have looked nice on this team. A big man who can hit the outside shot and probably could have played the 3, 4 and 5.

I did remember that N.R said he had the most upside of any of the guys while he was here.

I see that he has improved somewhat, but it's hard to tell just how good he really is in that conference. Outside of Memphis, they're not much better than the MAAC.

While he's a loss, I still think Sean Evans would be starting if Calhoun was here. Good against a terrible Umass team is one thing. Good against the good is another.

Who did they just beat? A community college?

The fact is, we might score a bit more with Calhoun and Wright, but without the defensive efforts of our guys last saturday, we lose. We're not going to be an offensive juggernaut with Wright and Calhoun, so we might as well be good at the only thing we can be good at.

Defense.

The kid was a dog in the weight room and conditioning. You can't have one player sitting on the ground refusing to run when the rest of his team is there running conditioning drills. You can't also have a mid level player sitting out of practice because he didn't want to push himself! Not good for team chemistry.  Maybe Walter Berry could pull that one off with Louie, but Calhoun ain't no Wooden award winner!

And normally I would agree 100%, but Norm doesn't have that luxury.  Maybe year one, but not year four.  It's like when I coached high school football and I just expected to run the same ship as my coach did at probably the best football program in NYS, Monroe-Woodbury.  I inherited a mess.  The team hadn't won in a game in ten years, the players were picked on by soccer players (go figure), and there was no work ethic or discipline--not to mention 19 kids.  M-W used to have 80 kids that would bust their arse and do anything the coach said, so when our coach kicked someone off the team another guy would fill his role quickly. 

I didn't have that luxury until the program was built up and had to baby kids along that I would have cut in a second with a halfway decent team. Norm was/is in the same position.  It's not ideal, but if you ever want to become a Uconn or even a Providence, you have to suck it up for a while and let some things slide. 

Calhoun is exactly what this team is missing right now.

I see that he has improved somewhat, but it's hard to tell just how good he really is in that conference. Outside of Memphis, they're not much better than the MAAC.

While he's a loss, I still think Sean Evans would be starting if Calhoun was here. Good against a terrible Umass team is one thing. Good against the good is another.

Who did they just beat? A community college?

The fact is, we might score a bit more with Calhoun and Wright, but without the defensive efforts of our guys last saturday, we lose. We're not going to be an offensive juggernaut with Wright and Calhoun, so we might as well be good at the only thing we can be good at.

Defense.

Calhoun, Mason, and Burrell together would have turned the offensive glass into a volleyball game.  We would have had so many extra possessions with all of that athletic ability and length.  That is the best thing you can ask for with a horrible coach like Norm.  Not to mention he ran vertically like a guard and-- I shutter while I write this--would have been our best shooter. 

 

Our best interior threat is Sean Evans.

He might be more raw of a player than many in the conference, but I think he has the potential to be an All Big East player if he can improve his free throw shooting, and foul less.

Calhoun had a ceiling. I'm sure he would have helped us, but you gotta have a strong player upfront, and with Calhoun, you have a slight forward w no handle who thinks he's a guard.

I'm not saying he didn't have talent, just that we have a better chance to compete with Evans because he fights down low. Calhoun just isn't a typical SJU player.

I remember the offense just pushing him out of the way like a rag doll and scoring on him.

Marillac does have a good point.  For me, one of the most egregious things is the lack of program building.  And a coach has to be a salesman and keep players whose self-opinion doesn't match their play. 

Cedric Jackson is one thing, but Wright and Calhoun?  And even Avery Patterson?  He couldn't have convinced them that they would be valuable off of the bench?  And keeping them around, to me, is less important for the talent issue than it is for perception of stability, which might have helped with recruiting. 

Then again, for all I know Coach Roberts worked hard to keep them both in the fold.  And maybe if we had all of those players, Avery would have shot the team out of games; Larry would still be abused by every guard like Ty Edmondson is; and Q would have scored 8 points per game and given up 12. 

I think it's silly to think that Coach didn't work hard to keep them here.

And although I can't speak to your football situation, Mar, I can't disagree more with your point. I think you absolutely can't have a kid around that isn't buying in.. particularly when you're building a program.

Would we be better off with a Calhoun and Wright who worked their tails off in practice and on defense? Of course. But that isn't who they were, and I think we're better off without them.

I think it's silly to think that Coach didn't work hard to keep them here.

And although I can't speak to your football situation, Mar, I can't disagree more with your point. I think you absolutely can't have a kid around that isn't buying in.. particularly when you're building a program.

Would we be better off with a Calhoun and Wright who worked their tails off in practice and on defense? Of course. But that isn't who they were, and I think we're better off without them.

I'm a huge program guy.  No one man is bigger than the team and everybody has to buy into the coach's philosophy.  But when you are building a program from RUBBLE, you have to make exceptions.  It made me sick to my stomach to have to accomodate lazy whiners, but what were my alternatives? 

Roberts couldn't have afforded losing Calhoun and Wright.  IMO, we are in the NIT this year and on the cusp of the NCAA's with them even in spite of Norm's horrific lack of coaching.  And he keeps his job. 

So he lets Q take some three pointers and play a little SF.  Aren't we better off with him.  The great thing about freshman is that they become sophomores in a year, right? 

Quote from: Jacstorm on January 09, 2009, 11:00:35 AM

I think it's silly to think that Coach didn't work hard to keep them here.

And although I can't speak to your football situation, Mar, I can't disagree more with your point. I think you absolutely can't have a kid around that isn't buying in.. particularly when you're building a program.

Would we be better off with a Calhoun and Wright who worked their tails off in practice and on defense? Of course. But that isn't who they were, and I think we're better off without them.

I'm a huge program guy.  No one man is bigger than the team and everybody has to buy into the coach's philosophy.  But when you are building a program from RUBBLE, you have to make exceptions.  It made me sick to my stomach to have to accomodate lazy whiners, but what were my alternatives? 

Roberts couldn't have afforded losing Calhoun and Wright.  IMO, we are in the NIT this year and on the cusp of the NCAA's with them even in spite of Norm's horrific lack of coaching.  And he keeps his job. 

So he lets Q take some three pointers and play a little SF.  Aren't we better off with him.  The great thing about freshman is that they become sophomores in a year, right?

There is no way he could have kept Calhoun stay around here.  The kid had NO desire to work hard with the rest of his team.  If he let Calhoun stay what does that say to the rest of the team?? 

I think that your football analogy is ridiculous because you coached a HIGH SCHOOL team!!  Yeah you had limited numbers and the reality is you couldn't get more guys.  Norm can get guys who will work and maybe they won't be as talented at first but with hardwork they will go right past the likes of Calhoun (aka Sean Evans who I think most on this board wouldn't have taken over Q last year but now would easily take him on their squad instead of the lazy Calhoun).  Even in Norm's early days he got a guy like Missere who had no bball skills at all to work his tail off and bring something positive to the table. 

My favorite thing about our team is how hard all these guys have worked.  EVERY guy on this team has improved in some way or another from last year (and I don't think its coaching).  They improved because personally, these guys wanted to get better.  No one told them to have a practice after Providence, but they did because thats how these kids are!!  Calhoun wouldn't have been with those guys doing the extra thing (in fact, he wasnt when they were all freshman that summer) and in no time his minutes would be nothing and he'd have run away just as he did. 

The bottom line in basketball is if you give a crazy effort you have a chance.  That first Norm team was disgusting but they worked so hard that they were either in a game or winning it.  If this team plays that hard they can be real special now and in the future as they keep getting better.

Quote from: Marillac on January 09, 2009, 11:56:29 AM

Quote from: Jacstorm on January 09, 2009, 11:00:35 AM

I think it's silly to think that Coach didn't work hard to keep them here.

And although I can't speak to your football situation, Mar, I can't disagree more with your point. I think you absolutely can't have a kid around that isn't buying in.. particularly when you're building a program.

Would we be better off with a Calhoun and Wright who worked their tails off in practice and on defense? Of course. But that isn't who they were, and I think we're better off without them.

I'm a huge program guy.  No one man is bigger than the team and everybody has to buy into the coach's philosophy.  But when you are building a program from RUBBLE, you have to make exceptions.  It made me sick to my stomach to have to accomodate lazy whiners, but what were my alternatives? 

Roberts couldn't have afforded losing Calhoun and Wright.  IMO, we are in the NIT this year and on the cusp of the NCAA's with them even in spite of Norm's horrific lack of coaching.  And he keeps his job. 

So he lets Q take some three pointers and play a little SF.  Aren't we better off with him.  The great thing about freshman is that they become sophomores in a year, right?

There is no way he could have kept Calhoun stay around here.  The kid had NO desire to work hard with the rest of his team.  If he let Calhoun stay what does that say to the rest of the team?? 

I think that your football analogy is ridiculous because you coached a HIGH SCHOOL team!!  Yeah you had limited numbers and the reality is you couldn't get more guys.  Norm can get guys who will work and maybe they won't be as talented at first but with hardwork they will go right past the likes of Calhoun (aka Sean Evans who I think most on this board wouldn't have taken over Q last year but now would easily take him on their squad instead of the lazy Calhoun).  Even in Norm's early days he got a guy like Missere who had no bball skills at all to work his tail off and bring something positive to the table. 

My favorite thing about our team is how hard all these guys have worked.  EVERY guy on this team has improved in some way or another from last year (and I don't think its coaching).  They improved because personally, these guys wanted to get better.  No one told them to have a practice after Providence, but they did because thats how these kids are!!  Calhoun wouldn't have been with those guys doing the extra thing (in fact, he wasnt when they were all freshman that summer) and in no time his minutes would be nothing and he'd have run away just as he did. 

The bottom line in basketball is if you give a crazy effort you have a chance.  That first Norm team was disgusting but they worked so hard that they were either in a game or winning it.  If this team plays that hard they can be real special now and in the future as they keep getting better.

Losing Q will end up costing Norm his job.  Simple as that.

OH so now Q is All Big East, since hes gone? If he was here, he would get bashed by posters like the rest