Seth Davis on Coaching Changes

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/seth_davis/02/17/hoop.thoughts/1.html

• Hoop Thought from the coaching carousel: I keep hearing that the down economy is going to save a lot of coaches' jobs. At a time when schools are slashing budgets and laying off teachers, it's harder to justify paying an expensive buyout to get rid of one coach, and then forking over an even bigger salary to hire the next one.

Thoughts?

told ya so told ya so. listen to me man i knows what im talking about.

I can see that in the case of Georgia Tech and Rutgers, where there is some weak justification for keeping a person in the job... but St. John's and Oregon?  We will see.

And really, the other part of the down economy and coaching - and I am assuming that booster money is going to be weak (see T Boone Pickens' having to rescind some of the money he was giving to Ok State), and that schools' endowments are going to be low - is that some schools who would be more aggressive will keep their coach another year, and there will be a little less competition for college ball jobs.  And smaller schools won't have the money to pony up to give their coach a raise/ give them a new contract to keep them in the fold....

 So better coaches will be available, and their price won't be driven upwards by state school booster money.

I don't know how many cats are really in trouble this year, anyway.

what buyout?  norm has a rolling contract.  by definition, there's no buyout involved.

firing norm would be a big time positive BUSINESS decision...in case you haven't noticed the empty seats.

aint that easy they gonna have to pony up money for that coach yall want right? where is the money coming from

aint that easy they gonna have to pony up money for that coach yall want right? where is the money coming from

KOB. . St. John's has the money needed and would have no problem getting alumni to help if they reached out. Whether or not they spend the money is a different story but its there if they want to...

I can see that in the case of Georgia Tech and Rutgers, where there is some weak justification for keeping a person in the job... but St. John's and Oregon?  We will see.

And really, the other part of the down economy and coaching - and I am assuming that booster money is going to be weak (see T Boone Pickens' having to rescind some of the money he was giving to Ok State), and that schools' endowments are going to be low - is that some schools who would be more aggressive will keep their coach another year, and there will be a little less competition for college ball jobs.  And smaller schools won't have the money to pony up to give their coach a raise/ give them a new contract to keep them in the fold....

 So better coaches will be available, and their price won't be driven upwards by state school booster money.

I don't know how many cats are really in trouble this year, anyway.

-Phil Knight isn't going to let Ernie Kent take down his alma mater. Kent has escaped the guillotine the last two years. That stellar recruiting class may just be enough to save Hewitt's a$$ for a year (when Favors bolts). Bzdelik is still safe at Colorado.

Calhoun's former assistants, Leitao and Hobbs, are both vulnerable, particularly Leitao, given Paul Jones' investment & ability to buy and sell him.

I forgot about Hobbs.  I think he's about as gone as Ernie Kent is.  I don't know what happened to Oregon.  They were kind of bad/ lucky (bad defense, good but UNSTRUCTURED offense) but now they are terrible on offense as well and they have crazy money, plus a new arena in 2 years. 

Actually, at 6-19, I don't know why Kent isn't fired now. 

Note: I think Kent is the best case scenario for a guy who is known as a recruiter, but not as a tactician.  When the bottom falls out... it just falls.

Quote from: kob24 on February 17, 2009, 01:47:11 PM

aint that easy they gonna have to pony up money for that coach yall want right? where is the money coming from

KOB. . St. John's has the money needed and would have no problem getting alumni to help if they reached out. Whether or not they spend the money is a different story but its there if they want to...

Amen.

U sure pmg from what I have been told a certain poster on these sites is quite upset with  this program. And this poster knows probaly one of the biggest boosters at st.johns and he has taken him from the program for now.  But I could be wrong I doubt I am though. But we shall see

U sure pmg from what I have been told a certain poster on these sites is quite upset with  this program. And this poster knows probaly one of the biggest boosters at st.johns and he has taken him from the program for now.  But I could be wrong I doubt I am though. But we shall see

The are plenty of posters on these sites that are upset with the program..

No idea who you are talking about though so it could easily be true....

I firmly believe, and its justmy opinion, that if SJU went to the right alumni and said they needed cash to make a major hire, the money would bet there..

  Would it be safe to assume that program is losing money for the school as it is?  Declining donations, cancellations of season tickets,  concessions,  etc...  A sound business decision is one that looks ahead.  Ponying up $$  for a real coach will come back to the University in the long road  tenfold. Another year of Norm will see even more $$  lost for the program.

aint that easy they gonna have to pony up money for that coach yall want right? where is the money coming from

mention the names calapari, pitino and miller to alumni, and see how much they'd be willing to throw in

Quote from: kob24 on February 17, 2009, 01:47:11 PM

aint that easy they gonna have to pony up money for that coach yall want right? where is the money coming from

mention the names calapari, pitino and miller to alumni, and see how much they'd be willing to throw in

These guys arent coming here. Than what happens? You have to hire another up and comer, think they will pony up than? 

i didnt say they would definitely come here, im not the type of person to talk out of my ass, but i dont see why there wouldnt be strong interest from each of those guys if sju made a serious offer

Quote from: SJD on February 17, 2009, 04:41:25 PM

Quote from: kob24 on February 17, 2009, 01:47:11 PM

aint that easy they gonna have to pony up money for that coach yall want right? where is the money coming from

mention the names calapari, pitino and miller to alumni, and see how much they'd be willing to throw in

These guys arent coming here. Than what happens? You have to hire another up and comer, think they will pony up than? 

Marco Baldi, I agree with you that SJU is not going to land the type of coach we all want here.  There is no way this notoriously cheap school is going to lay $2 or $3 million dollars on a Pitino or a Calipari.  But there is no justification for retaining a proven loser at a price of $700,000 a year.  Especially when (a) his buyout will be minimal due to the rollover contract and (b) the school could bring in a far better coach at a price similar to that.

If SJU chooses to retain Roberts, it would be an absolute disgrace from a truly dying program.  It was an absurd decision to bring him back after last season's debacle (and we all had to hear the continuous excuse of how young they were).  The team is now one year older and has shown little improvement on the court.  The excuses (whether it be the bad economy or potential recruits coming to Queens) need to stop.  Roberts has been an abysmal failure since he wound up in Queens and it's time for St. John's to man up and do what it needs to do.

u know every one throws out cal and pitino. why dont they throw out calhoun or williams for that matter? yall are gonna set yall self up for a ulcer thinking yall gonna get these guys if and i mean IF they decide to terminate coach. i think yall get a mid major or low major coach. just hope they dont sign him to a long term deal. its tuff new york is tuff everyone is crying broke. the school has 2 top sports team in the country other than basketball. im pretty sure those sports have boosters also who give the school money. im saying i like u guys who post on this site yall cool as hell i dont want yall to get more upset if changes arent made or the right pick isnt chosen.

u know every one throws out cal and pitino. why dont they throw out calhoun or williams for that matter? yall are gonna set yall self up for a ulcer thinking yall gonna get these guys if and i mean IF they decide to terminate coach. i think yall get a mid major or low major coach. just hope they dont sign him to a long term deal. its tuff new york is tuff everyone is crying broke. the school has 2 top sports team in the country other than basketball. im pretty sure those sports have boosters also who give the school money. im saying i like u guys who post on this site yall cool as hell i dont want yall to get more upset if changes arent made or the right pick isnt chosen.

That’s what I have been trying to tell these guys on all three sites KOB, if and when the school gets rid of coach Roberts it’s NOT going to be a “dream team” coach that they bring in. It’s most likely going to be an “up and comer” like Pecora or Brown. Now mind you I like both these guys, but it’s certainly not what the mainstream fans want to hear!

Is this what you really want?

It's not such a far fetched dream to bring in a big name. Just drink lots of vitamin water and pray

u know every one throws out cal and pitino. why dont they throw out calhoun or williams for that matter? yall are gonna set yall self up for a ulcer thinking yall gonna get these guys if and i mean IF they decide to terminate coach. i think yall get a mid major or low major coach. just hope they dont sign him to a long term deal. its tuff new york is tuff everyone is crying broke. the school has 2 top sports team in the country other than basketball. im pretty sure those sports have boosters also who give the school money. im saying i like u guys who post on this site yall cool as hell i dont want yall to get more upset if changes arent made or the right pick isnt chosen.

those guys you mentioned are lifers...im not throwing out pitino and cal bc i think they are the best coaches in the game, i throw them out bc they both have at one time shown some sort of interest in st johns...pitino to this day talks very highly of sju...also, pitino is at a program in which hes clashed with the admin and taken a lot of crap from fans, admin, and media, for what has been, a very good coaching job, and maybe he feels under appreciated (not a good enough reason to leave a championship caliber program? it was for joe torre) ...cal has now been coaching in a joke conference for years, and i think sooner or later hes gonna get sick of it...sick of running off a perfect conference record and having to stack his non conference in order to make the ncaa's, playing grueling schedules to start the year then rolling through conference play isnt the best thing to get a team prepared for the ncaa tournament, regardless of his success there in the recent past...and btw, i would rather see norm at the helm for 20 more years than see a national championship under calhoun...that guy can go #$@% himself