leaving NYC? and Why?

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leaving NYC? and Why?
« on: September 16, 2009, 04:09:25 PM »
How many talent high school player are leaving NYC? and Why? Is the coaching better outside of the city?

Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 11:41:08 PM »
There are no winning programs here in NYC at the current moment and kids travel more with their AAU Teams and get a chance to see what's outside of NYC. They travel and get used to being a way from home etc. Times have changed but if we can establish a winning Program here kids will come.

Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 08:52:27 AM »
Guys.. times haven't changed in this area. As an example, when 3 top ten point guards were here one year in the 80's.. all three left (Syracuse, NC, and New Mexico). We got #4.. a lesser recruit (who turned out to be Mark Jackson).

Most of the talent has ALWAYS left the city. The idea they didn't is a myth like the one that says we were a perennial top ten program under St. Louie.

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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 09:16:54 AM »

Ballers, like normal high schoolers, often like to fly the coop, get away from their parents, see another part of the country.  Hell these kids have a chance to go to beautiful campuses where they are treated like kings for 4 years.  Who can blame them?
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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 09:20:25 AM »
I thought momagic was referring to high schoolers transfering elsewhere

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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2009, 10:05:56 AM »
Guys.. times haven't changed in this area. As an example, when 3 top ten point guards were here one year in the 80's.. all three left (Syracuse, NC, and New Mexico). We got #4.. a lesser recruit (who turned out to be Mark Jackson).

Most of the talent has ALWAYS left the city. The idea they didn't is a myth like the one that says we were a perennial top ten program under St. Louie.
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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2009, 10:19:12 AM »
Ballaz leavin NYC for college aint new.

Ballaz leavin NYC high schools fo prep is.

Idea behind prep is you get away from the distraction, you play wit and against mo D1 recruits and you hit the books hard. Preps is givin schollies out. The rest is paid by sponsors.
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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2009, 10:25:27 AM »
The fact is it's been a long time since we've pulled in a star recruit.

Omar Cook was the last one.

In order to truly contend, we need at least 2 top 25 recruits on our roster.
Now, we have zero.

Sure, kids left the city, but some of the good ones came here. Malik Sealy and Ron Artest could have played anywhere, but they stayed home.

Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2009, 10:52:23 AM »
I was bascially talking about high school player moving on to prep school and schools in other state.

You could create an all-city team with this list:

LeBrent Walker of Bayside is at Montrose Christian School (Rockville, Md.).

Jevon Thomas of Thomas Edison is at Our Savior New American (Centerreach, L.I.).

Jose Rodriguez and Joey Delarosa of St. Raymond’s are at Impact Basketball Academy and attend Trinity International in Las Vegas; Harold McBride is at Impact Academy in Jacksonville, Fla.

Angel Nunez of Cardinal Hayes is at the Winchendon School (Mass.).

Dashaun Wiggins of Wings Academy is at Bridgton Academy (Maine) and former teammate MIke Buffalo is at the South Kent School (Conn.)

Another year goes by with more talented kids leaving the city, further diluting the talent pool.

This isn’t a pattern anymore.

It’s a fact.

The year before, Doron Lamb left Bishop Loughlin for Oak Hill Academy (Va.) and Omari Lawrence and Kevin Parrom – two more St. Ray’s kids – headed to South Kent. Ashton Pankey (Archbishop Molloy) and Devon Collier (All Hallows) headed for St. Anthony of Jersey City, N.J.

Why is this happening?

There is no clear answer. Some kids leave to improve their academic standing, others jet to play a national schedule, to be seen by more colleges coaches. There are those who can’t deal with the distractions of girls and friends and overbearing parents.

Prep school offers a way out for these kids, a structured environment where they have no choice but to hit the books, religiously work out, and become a gym rat. Living on their own, they get used to college life before it even begins.

The allure of winning a city title and being named all-city hasn’t lost its luster, St. Benedict’s (N.J.) junior and Queens native Mike Poole said. But for everyone beyond the obvious blue-chip talents, it’s different.

“If I was promised that, I would stay,” he said. “But nothing’s promised.”

Is it a sign of immaturity? Some say so.

Kemba Walker, a former Rice standout who helped Connecticut make the Final Four as a freshman, said he noticed those leaving prep school were lacking discipline and patience. Kids unwilling to wait their turn at an established power, and instead seeking immediate gratification and starters minutes.

“Nobody,” Walker said, “wants to wait.”

New Heights athletic director Kimani Young, who sent Collier and Pankey to St. Anthony, but also was involved in forward Jayvaughn Pinkston remaining at Bishop Loughlin, agreed that as many kids leave for the wrong reasons as the right ones.

He went on to say local coaches, AAU and high school, need to look in the mirror, to see what is lacking locally that is making kids leave so frequently. Pankey, a 6-foot-8 big man receiving significant interest, praised the coaching of legend Bob Hurley. That he failed to mention any city coaches spoke volumes.

Each route works. Walker got to UConn via Rice, Durand Scott, another former Rice star, is a freshman at Miami. Lance Stephenson is at Cincinnati. Lawrence and Parrom are both playing Division I basketball, at St. John’s and Arizona, respectively. Collier and Pankey have plenty of choices.

Nevertheless, the trend is weakening the local landscape.

The defections this year alone will lower the level of play.

LeBrent Walker enjoyed a solid freshman year at Bayside, averaging 18 points per game, and could’ve raised that program to at least contender status in Queens AA. Jevon Thomas of Thomas Edison shined as a pass-first point guard in limited time due to academic ineligibility.

St. Ray’s was poised to challenge for a city title before Rodriguez, Delarosa, and McBride left. The Ravens are still formidable, just not as dangerous. Wings will not be the same without Wiggins, one of the best guards in the PSAL, and the 6-foot-7 Nunez of Cardinal Hayes would be one of the top swingmen in the city had he stayed.

“It’s definitely hurting,” Kemba Walker said. “The competition is lessened.”

zbraziller@nypost.com


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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2009, 10:58:32 AM »
I was bascially talking about high school player moving on to prep school and schools in other state.

You could create an all-city team with this list:

LeBrent Walker of Bayside is at Montrose Christian School (Rockville, Md.).

Jevon Thomas of Thomas Edison is at Our Savior New American (Centerreach, L.I.).

Jose Rodriguez and Joey Delarosa of St. Raymond’s are at Impact Basketball Academy and attend Trinity International in Las Vegas; Harold McBride is at Impact Academy in Jacksonville, Fla.

Angel Nunez of Cardinal Hayes is at the Winchendon School (Mass.).

Dashaun Wiggins of Wings Academy is at Bridgton Academy (Maine) and former teammate MIke Buffalo is at the South Kent School (Conn.)

Another year goes by with more talented kids leaving the city, further diluting the talent pool.

This isn’t a pattern anymore.

It’s a fact.

The year before, Doron Lamb left Bishop Loughlin for Oak Hill Academy (Va.) and Omari Lawrence and Kevin Parrom – two more St. Ray’s kids – headed to South Kent. Ashton Pankey (Archbishop Molloy) and Devon Collier (All Hallows) headed for St. Anthony of Jersey City, N.J.

Why is this happening?

There is no clear answer. Some kids leave to improve their academic standing, others jet to play a national schedule, to be seen by more colleges coaches. There are those who can’t deal with the distractions of girls and friends and overbearing parents.

Prep school offers a way out for these kids, a structured environment where they have no choice but to hit the books, religiously work out, and become a gym rat. Living on their own, they get used to college life before it even begins.

The allure of winning a city title and being named all-city hasn’t lost its luster, St. Benedict’s (N.J.) junior and Queens native Mike Poole said. But for everyone beyond the obvious blue-chip talents, it’s different.

“If I was promised that, I would stay,” he said. “But nothing’s promised.”

Is it a sign of immaturity? Some say so.

Kemba Walker, a former Rice standout who helped Connecticut make the Final Four as a freshman, said he noticed those leaving prep school were lacking discipline and patience. Kids unwilling to wait their turn at an established power, and instead seeking immediate gratification and starters minutes.

“Nobody,” Walker said, “wants to wait.”

New Heights athletic director Kimani Young, who sent Collier and Pankey to St. Anthony, but also was involved in forward Jayvaughn Pinkston remaining at Bishop Loughlin, agreed that as many kids leave for the wrong reasons as the right ones.

He went on to say local coaches, AAU and high school, need to look in the mirror, to see what is lacking locally that is making kids leave so frequently. Pankey, a 6-foot-8 big man receiving significant interest, praised the coaching of legend Bob Hurley. That he failed to mention any city coaches spoke volumes.

Each route works. Walker got to UConn via Rice, Durand Scott, another former Rice star, is a freshman at Miami. Lance Stephenson is at Cincinnati. Lawrence and Parrom are both playing Division I basketball, at St. John’s and Arizona, respectively. Collier and Pankey have plenty of choices.

Nevertheless, the trend is weakening the local landscape.

The defections this year alone will lower the level of play.

LeBrent Walker enjoyed a solid freshman year at Bayside, averaging 18 points per game, and could’ve raised that program to at least contender status in Queens AA. Jevon Thomas of Thomas Edison shined as a pass-first point guard in limited time due to academic ineligibility.

St. Ray’s was poised to challenge for a city title before Rodriguez, Delarosa, and McBride left. The Ravens are still formidable, just not as dangerous. Wings will not be the same without Wiggins, one of the best guards in the PSAL, and the 6-foot-7 Nunez of Cardinal Hayes would be one of the top swingmen in the city had he stayed.

“It’s definitely hurting,” Kemba Walker said. “The competition is lessened.”

zbraziller@nypost.com

If a NYC high school player moves on to a prep school in another state, isn't that a good thing? Burrell, Thomas, Lawrence and Stith were all recognized NYC kids, who left NYC, but still ended up at SJU.

Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2009, 11:17:53 AM »
The CHSAA and PSAL are more dilluted than my grams' ice tea. Mo water than powder. And its the powder that give it the kick.
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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2009, 11:23:26 AM »
Ah.. I misunderstood.

But on a side note.. I believe Malik was headed to Providence till a coaching change occurred.

Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2009, 01:28:46 PM »


If a NYC high school player moves on to a prep school in another state, isn't that a good thing? Burrell, Thomas, Lawrence and Stith were all recognized NYC kids, who left NYC, but still ended up at SJU.

It indeed could be a good thing, though it's likely a 40-60 proposition.  If a kid goes away to prep and misses the city that's a good thing.  Dispelling the "grass is always greener" idea in prep vs. freshman year could potentially be of long term benefit to STJ if they can also demonstrate that there's potential for success when they return home.  Of course those that go away, especially those that leave with reservataions about the idea, and discover they like being away from home aren't likely to come back for the next level regardless.

Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 01:47:13 PM »
High School athletics has become big business.  Elite athletes have been going to prep schools for years because it could possibly get them into a better college program and, possibly to the NBA.  Assuming the Prep school was on the up and up and the kid got a real education, I don't think it was such a bad thing.  Now it seems as though mediocre players are going to these basketball academies where education is an afterthought.  These are kids who have no shot at the NBA and might not even play overseas. 

Are some of these schools providing any education to these kids?  Are Findlay Prep and IMG Academy real schools?  There are others, but these two immediately come to mind---and I don't know that they are or not.  I'm speculating because these two in particular seem to me to have been created just for the purpose of fielding a basketball program.

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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2009, 02:07:22 PM »
Ah.. I misunderstood.

But on a side note.. I believe Malik was headed to Providence till a coaching change occurred.

Which Malik?

Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2009, 02:39:07 PM »
kids go away because they want a shot a making money playing the sport they love.

we need a coach who gives them a real shot.

it's business.

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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2009, 02:49:31 PM »
Ah.. I misunderstood.

But on a side note.. I believe Malik was headed to Providence till a coaching change occurred.
 
Which Malik?

  Stith i believe

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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2009, 03:02:18 PM »
Ah.. I misunderstood.

But on a side note.. I believe Malik was headed to Providence till a coaching change occurred.

Which Malik?

Sealy.

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Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2009, 03:56:43 PM »
Sometimes it works other time it doesn't we can have a whole forum on this topic.

Re: leaving NYC? and Why?
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2009, 04:35:02 PM »
Stith never play high school ball in NY. Was down south doin his thing.
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