Is this the year St. John's plays uptempo?

I think running in the past was always a challenge
Because we weren't athletic, or deep enough.

Also, if you're playing a team that runs better than you,
What's the point?

NO!!!!!

In order to run you need:
1. To rebound-Evans is undersized, and JB is an awful rebounder. Our best rebounder is Kennedy and he is 6-6.

2. Wings and a point that are good three point shooters- Kennedy and Horne are not really what you would call knockdown shooters. Hardy supposedly shoots much better than that clip we saw, but since he plays the same position as Horne, how much will he play? Oh and Boothe shoots like a kid at a carnival trying to shoot the ball through those little 15 foot hoops. It is actually sad to watch.
 
3. Quality point or wings that can bring the ball up off a rebound-Nothing I have seen from Boothe in two years has made me believe he could be a solid BE point guard. As for the wings, Kennedy and Horne def would be better in a running system, however......

4. Coach who wants to run- If someone does something for 5 years that is who they are, it is not something they will change. 5 years is a long time! If you are with a girl for 5 years, don't expect her to start swinging from chandeliers or suggesting a threesome with another chick in the 6th year! It aint gonna happen, just like Norm aint going to magically turn into Paul Westhead!

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 12:44:45 PM

NO!!!!!

In order to run you need:
1. To rebound-Evans is undersized, and JB is an awful rebounder. Our best rebounder is Kennedy and he is 6-6.

2. Wings and a point that are good three point shooters- Kennedy and Horne are not really what you would call knockdown shooters. Hardy supposedly shoots much better than that clip we saw, but since he plays the same position as Horne, how much will he play? Oh and Boothe shoots like a kid at a carnival trying to shoot the ball through those little 15 foot hoops. It is actually sad to watch.
 
3. Quality point or wings that can bring the ball up off a rebound-Nothing I have seen from Boothe in two years has made me believe he could be a solid BE point guard. As for the wings, Kennedy and Horne def would be better in a running system, however......

4. Coach who wants to run- If someone does something for 5 years that is who they are, it is not something they will change. 5 years is a long time! If you are with a girl for 5 years, don't expect her to start swinging from chandeliers or suggesting a threesome with another chick in the 6th year! It aint gonna happen, just like Norm aint going to magically turn into Paul Westhead!

1. St. John´s outrebounded Big East opponents last season (+3.3).

2. Your argument is illogical. You need more shooters if you don´t run because you are losing an offensive option.

3. True.

4. True.

Quote from: Poison on October 26, 2009, 01:23:51 PM

I think running in the past was always a challenge
Because we weren't athletic, or deep enough.

Also, if you're playing a team that runs better than you,
What's the point?

I agree he hasn't had the personal to run, but he still doesn't! He has had 5years to recruit to play a faster style and he has not. You do not need 5 star recruits to run, look at the Pitino Providence team! Either Norm chose to recruit players that fit his boring ball or he has no idea what he is doing recruiting wise.. Probably a bit of both.

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 01:39:21 PM

Quote from: Poison on October 26, 2009, 01:23:51 PM

I think running in the past was always a challenge
Because we weren't athletic, or deep enough.

Also, if you're playing a team that runs better than you,
What's the point?

I agree he hasn't had the personal to run, but he still doesn't! He has had 5years to recruit to play a faster style and he has not. You do not need 5 star recruits to run, look at the Pitino Providence team! Either Norm chose to recruit players that fit his boring ball or he has no idea what he is doing recruiting wise.. Probably a bit of both.

We got the horses.
Paris, DJ, JB, Sean, Malik, Omari, the kid from Harrisburg. All them is straight up athletes.
This aint no team made up of Fred Lysons.

Quote from: Choz4Life on October 26, 2009, 02:02:16 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 01:39:21 PM

Quote from: Poison on October 26, 2009, 01:23:51 PM

I think running in the past was always a challenge
Because we weren't athletic, or deep enough.

Also, if you're playing a team that runs better than you,
What's the point?

I agree he hasn't had the personal to run, but he still doesn't! He has had 5years to recruit to play a faster style and he has not. You do not need 5 star recruits to run, look at the Pitino Providence team! Either Norm chose to recruit players that fit his boring ball or he has no idea what he is doing recruiting wise.. Probably a bit of both.

We got the horses.
Paris, DJ, JB, Sean, Malik, Omari, the kid from Harrisburg. All them is straight up athletes.
This aint no team made up of Fred Lysons.

Do you have faith in Boothe running a break?
Will we rebound well enough in the BE?
Do we have enough three point shooting?
WILL NORM ACTUALLY HAVE THE TEAM RUN?

We should run but I agree with choz, don't see any reason to think we will.  Basketball isnt like football...you dont need a complete team overhaul to implement your strategy.  If we didnt run last year, why would we run this year?  We SHOULD, I just doubt it.

Quote from: gonzalo on October 26, 2009, 01:43:23 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 12:44:45 PM

NO!!!!!

In order to run you need:
1. To rebound-Evans is undersized, and JB is an awful rebounder. Our best rebounder is Kennedy and he is 6-6.

2. Wings and a point that are good three point shooters- Kennedy and Horne are not really what you would call knockdown shooters. Hardy supposedly shoots much better than that clip we saw, but since he plays the same position as Horne, how much will he play? Oh and Boothe shoots like a kid at a carnival trying to shoot the ball through those little 15 foot hoops. It is actually sad to watch.
 
3. Quality point or wings that can bring the ball up off a rebound-Nothing I have seen from Boothe in two years has made me believe he could be a solid BE point guard. As for the wings, Kennedy and Horne def would be better in a running system, however......

4. Coach who wants to run- If someone does something for 5 years that is who they are, it is not something they will change. 5 years is a long time! If you are with a girl for 5 years, don't expect her to start swinging from chandeliers or suggesting a threesome with another chick in the 6th year! It aint gonna happen, just like Norm aint going to magically turn into Paul Westhead!

1. St. John´s outrebounded Big East opponents last season (+3.3).

2. Your argument is illogical. You need more shooters if you don´t run because you are losing an offensive option.

3. True.

4. True.

I would expect nothing else from you! You can't possibly understand basketball from following box scores on the internet! Running teams shoot more threes than half court teams it is a fact! Look up the UNLV, LMU, any Pitino team, Mike D'antoni's teams and see where they placed in three attempts. Running teams get open looks at threes that half court teams do not. Furthermore there are more possesions so more shots. Lastly if you are getting more possesions it makes sense to shoot more threes as even if you shoot a lower % you still will score more points. ANYONE WHO HAS PLAYED OR WATCHED BASKETBALL WOULD KNOW THIS!

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 02:00:15 PM

Quote from: gonzalo on October 26, 2009, 01:43:23 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 12:44:45 PM

NO!!!!!

In order to run you need:
1. To rebound-Evans is undersized, and JB is an awful rebounder. Our best rebounder is Kennedy and he is 6-6.

2. Wings and a point that are good three point shooters- Kennedy and Horne are not really what you would call knockdown shooters. Hardy supposedly shoots much better than that clip we saw, but since he plays the same position as Horne, how much will he play? Oh and Boothe shoots like a kid at a carnival trying to shoot the ball through those little 15 foot hoops. It is actually sad to watch.
 
3. Quality point or wings that can bring the ball up off a rebound-Nothing I have seen from Boothe in two years has made me believe he could be a solid BE point guard. As for the wings, Kennedy and Horne def would be better in a running system, however......

4. Coach who wants to run- If someone does something for 5 years that is who they are, it is not something they will change. 5 years is a long time! If you are with a girl for 5 years, don't expect her to start swinging from chandeliers or suggesting a threesome with another chick in the 6th year! It aint gonna happen, just like Norm aint going to magically turn into Paul Westhead!

1. St. John´s outrebounded Big East opponents last season (+3.3).

2. Your argument is illogical. You need more shooters if you don´t run because you are losing an offensive option.

3. True.

4. True.

I would expect nothing else from you! You can't possibly understand basketball from following box scores on the internet! Running teams shoot more threes than half court teams it is a fact! Look up the UNLV, LMU, any Pitino team, Mike D'antoni's teams and see where they placed in three attempts. Running teams get open looks at threes that half court teams do not. Furthermore there are more possesions so more shots. Lastly if you are getting more possesions it makes sense to shoot more threes as even if you shoot a lower % you still will score more points. ANYONE WHO HAS PLAYED OR WATCHED BASKETBALL WOULD KNOW THIS!

According to the team records, the 2006-07 team is the St. John´s team that has attempted more three point shots per game. Norm was the coach.

According to your "argument" the 2006-07 team (with Eugene Lawrence) was more running that the 1998-99 team (with Erick Barkley).

Quote from: gonzalo on October 26, 2009, 02:33:23 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 02:00:15 PM

Quote from: gonzalo on October 26, 2009, 01:43:23 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 12:44:45 PM

NO!!!!!

In order to run you need:
1. To rebound-Evans is undersized, and JB is an awful rebounder. Our best rebounder is Kennedy and he is 6-6.

2. Wings and a point that are good three point shooters- Kennedy and Horne are not really what you would call knockdown shooters. Hardy supposedly shoots much better than that clip we saw, but since he plays the same position as Horne, how much will he play? Oh and Boothe shoots like a kid at a carnival trying to shoot the ball through those little 15 foot hoops. It is actually sad to watch.
 
3. Quality point or wings that can bring the ball up off a rebound-Nothing I have seen from Boothe in two years has made me believe he could be a solid BE point guard. As for the wings, Kennedy and Horne def would be better in a running system, however......

4. Coach who wants to run- If someone does something for 5 years that is who they are, it is not something they will change. 5 years is a long time! If you are with a girl for 5 years, don't expect her to start swinging from chandeliers or suggesting a threesome with another chick in the 6th year! It aint gonna happen, just like Norm aint going to magically turn into Paul Westhead!

1. St. John´s outrebounded Big East opponents last season (+3.3).

2. Your argument is illogical. You need more shooters if you don´t run because you are losing an offensive option.

3. True.

4. True.

I would expect nothing else from you! You can't possibly understand basketball from following box scores on the internet! Running teams shoot more threes than half court teams it is a fact! Look up the UNLV, LMU, any Pitino team, Mike D'antoni's teams and see where they placed in three attempts. Running teams get open looks at threes that half court teams do not. Furthermore there are more possesions so more shots. Lastly if you are getting more possesions it makes sense to shoot more threes as even if you shoot a lower % you still will score more points. ANYONE WHO HAS PLAYED OR WATCHED BASKETBALL WOULD KNOW THIS!

According to the team records, the 2006-07 team is the St. John´s team that has attempted more three point shots per game. Norm was the coach.

According to your "argument" the 2006-07 team (with Eugene Lawrence) was more running that the 1998-99 team (with Erick Barkley).

SJU has never been a running team becuase they were usually small and lacked good three point shooters. Norm's team shoot threes becuase they are passing the ball around the perimeter and that is the only shot they have as the clock expires. The Elite 8 team was an opportunistic running team becuase both forwards rebounded and all 5 guys could pass. This team does not have that skill.

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 02:36:07 PM

Quote from: gonzalo on October 26, 2009, 02:33:23 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 02:00:15 PM

Quote from: gonzalo on October 26, 2009, 01:43:23 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2009, 12:44:45 PM

NO!!!!!

In order to run you need:
1. To rebound-Evans is undersized, and JB is an awful rebounder. Our best rebounder is Kennedy and he is 6-6.

2. Wings and a point that are good three point shooters- Kennedy and Horne are not really what you would call knockdown shooters. Hardy supposedly shoots much better than that clip we saw, but since he plays the same position as Horne, how much will he play? Oh and Boothe shoots like a kid at a carnival trying to shoot the ball through those little 15 foot hoops. It is actually sad to watch.
 
3. Quality point or wings that can bring the ball up off a rebound-Nothing I have seen from Boothe in two years has made me believe he could be a solid BE point guard. As for the wings, Kennedy and Horne def would be better in a running system, however......

4. Coach who wants to run- If someone does something for 5 years that is who they are, it is not something they will change. 5 years is a long time! If you are with a girl for 5 years, don't expect her to start swinging from chandeliers or suggesting a threesome with another chick in the 6th year! It aint gonna happen, just like Norm aint going to magically turn into Paul Westhead!

1. St. John´s outrebounded Big East opponents last season (+3.3).

2. Your argument is illogical. You need more shooters if you don´t run because you are losing an offensive option.

3. True.

4. True.

I would expect nothing else from you! You can't possibly understand basketball from following box scores on the internet! Running teams shoot more threes than half court teams it is a fact! Look up the UNLV, LMU, any Pitino team, Mike D'antoni's teams and see where they placed in three attempts. Running teams get open looks at threes that half court teams do not. Furthermore there are more possesions so more shots. Lastly if you are getting more possesions it makes sense to shoot more threes as even if you shoot a lower % you still will score more points. ANYONE WHO HAS PLAYED OR WATCHED BASKETBALL WOULD KNOW THIS!

According to the team records, the 2006-07 team is the St. John´s team that has attempted more three point shots per game. Norm was the coach.

According to your "argument" the 2006-07 team (with Eugene Lawrence) was more running that the 1998-99 team (with Erick Barkley).

SJU has never been a running team becuase they were usually small and lacked good three point shooters. Norm's team shoot threes becuase they are passing the ball around the perimeter and that is the only shot they have as the clock expires. The Elite 8 team was an opportunistic running team becuase both forwards rebounded and all 5 guys could pass. This team does not have that skill.

I thought Larry Wright was a 3 point specialist?

Quote from: Choz4Life on October 26, 2009, 02:02:16 PM

Do you have faith in Boothe running a break?
Will we rebound well enough in the BE?
Do we have enough three point shooting?
WILL NORM ACTUALLY HAVE THE TEAM RUN?

1. No doubt.
2. Dont know.
3. Dont know.
4. No way.

I agree with wasju that we need to rebound in order to orchestrate a fast break style of play. I do think we have that ability. Our rebounding numbers were + in our favor last year but we had a staggering amount of offensive rebounds which showed good hustle but also poor shooting. We do need to pick up some slack on the defensive end. We aren't THAT bad though at rebounding like wasju might be making us out to be.

Also to respond to tha kid, we didn't run last year because we were very short handed on ball handlers. We did run the ball a lot up until the BC game and then the injuries started coming in to play. A healthy Boothe and Stith will really aid our ball handling in terms of running the break and hopefully cut down on turnovers in general. Also having Hardy and Lawrence in addition to Horne, Kennedy, Roberts as secondary ball handlers will also be an improvement.

Also depth is just huge, we don't have to worry about minutes as much because of foul trouble. We played timid at times last year because of this. We can play much more aggressive when you have guys like Hardy, Lawrence, Brownlee coming off the bench instead of Edmondson, Wait, and Tomas.