St. John's vs. Brown Post Game Thread

Gotta put your best five on the cout.  If that happens to be Boothe/Stith-Hardy-Horne/Mason-DJ-Brownlee, then do it.  If Nova can make the Final Four with a four guard lineup and then again with a three-guard/two SF lineup, we can make it work with a beast like DJ and a jumping jack like Brownlee. 

I see no reason why DJ can't be as effective as 6'6 Lazar Hayward was for Marquette last year as a SF playing the four. 

It looks like either DJ or Hardy will have to get some time at the point or DJ or Mase will have to log big minutes at the four.  Paris needs 25 mins a game and DJ needs to be on the court for 30+.

Agree with everything. If Stith and Burrell continue to struggle they have to take a seat, especially with Rob Thomas and Mason coming back. Quincy Roberts, is their still time to redshirt him?

Not redshirting Q is a huge mistake IMO.  The kid is talented and, let's face it, not needed this season.  When we lose everyone in two years, it would be nice to be able to count on Lawrence and Q for two more years as vets. 

We don't understand help defense.
If we can fix that, tonight won't look so bad.

We better be prepared to address that, or we're done

We don't understand help defense.
If we can fix that, tonight won't look so bad.

We better be prepared to address that, or we're done

We have never understood help defense under Norm.  Yet, he still extends the defense too far. 

Not redshirting Q is a huge mistake IMO.  The kid is talented and, let's face it, not needed this season.  When we lose everyone in two years, it would be nice to be able to count on Lawrence and Q for two more years as vets.

Quincy has to realize this no?

I'll probably get criticized for this, but the score wasnt much of an indication of the game. Brown was just chucking up 3 after 3, I'm talking about some serious prayers, and most of the prayers were answered...theres just not really a defense for that. And as was stated, this could have been the worst officiated game I've ever seen in my entire life. We took a shot with 1-2 seconds left on the shot clock, the ball CLEARLY hit the rim and we rebounded the ball, but the refs ruled it was an airball and a shot clock violation. They even huddled together after the play and still decided it was a shot clock violation. When a game is called this closely, it just takes you off your game. You cant play nearly as aggressively as you normally would. Brown hit their 3s and their free throws and that's what made the game close, but if the refs weren't calling it so tightly (and it wasn't being called both ways either) it wouldn't have been NEARLY as close as it was

I agree with you, their prayers were being answered tonight. I think we need a new priest on the bench. Screw getting rid of Norm, trade Father Maher to the Knicks for a draft choice. He’s just not communicating with The Big Guy during our games.

Special note to Carmine: the way Dwight Buckets started off, I thought he was going to pass AP in this game. I was dreaming of 9-10 from Downtown! I still stand by my statement, he will hold the season record for threes this season if he stays healthy.

The only downside to DJ’s flush late in the game is that Wally Rut. wasn’t standing under the basket so that the ball could bounce off his head. This crew outdid themselves, probably one of the worst officiated games in history. They would do a disservice to the local CYO teams.

I’m not a huge Malik II fan, but with all due respect, their little PG is fast as hell and can move. Stith slowed him down a bit, and Hardy too, but the kid can move.

I’d put him up against your choice of PG in the BE and he will have his way with them.

Bottom line is it’s a win. Let’s learn from it and go in Philly ready to play!

We don't understand help defense.
If we can fix that, tonight won't look so bad.

We better be prepared to address that, or we're done

Did you go to the game, or are you assuming that from the boxscore?

No, I went to game.

Anyone that did clearly saw it.

No, I went to game.

Anyone that did clearly saw it.

I will admit that I am a casual fan of the game, and certainly not as qualified as most experts who post here, but I do still have pretty good eyesight. The hearing is beginning to fail, but I’ll leave that for another discussion.

Actually unless I totally misunderstand the concept of “help defense” we must have been at different games.

Were you wearing a black and white stripped shirt with an overactive whistle in your mouth by chance?

im gonna tell norm burrell needs to sit

If Stith and Burrell continue to struggle they have to take a seat, especially with Rob Thomas and Mason coming back.

Stith has played two games.

im gonna tell norm burrell needs to sit

kob, we need JB to snap out of it and get his sht together. Im not sure Norm can get him straight

Redstormhoops, help defense last night would have come in handy.

Number 35 drove at will. He would beat his man, no one on SJU would flinch. Sad effort. Sad that at this stage, we're still clueless.

Based on past SJU teams under Norm (I have not seen them yet this season), I definitely agree with Poison in terms of extending the defense too far from the basket, and never being able to recover.  It seems like teams set ball screens against SJU about 8 feet past the 3point line, our big man hedges or helps on the ball screen, and then never recovers back to the basket in time. 

Burell didn't do to much. He has to be aggressive. But the coaches have to help him out. He started both halves. In 1st half played only like 3 minutes before being taken out. 2nd half- taken out 1:20 into half. Coaches have to give him time to get a feel for game, put him in position to succeed and get easy baskets. His shifts throughout the game were short. Twice he was taken out less then a minute from when he went in. He is to talented to give up on.

Burell didn't do to much. He has to be aggressive. But the coaches have to help him out. He started both halves. In 1st half played only like 3 minutes before being taken out. 2nd half- taken out 1:20 into half. Coaches have to give him time to get a feel for game, put him in position to succeed and get easy baskets. His shifts throughout the game were short. Twice he was taken out less then a minute from when he went in. He is to talented to give up on.

Some of it was foul trouble for Burrell but I agree on the overall substitution patterns.  Burrell is not the only one that has gone in and out quickly.  And its not exactly like we are playing 40 minutes of hell either.  Yes players don't need to play 35-40 minutes now but to lay everyone 15 minutes has to hurt continuity.

Burrell has way too much talent not to be used more.  His face up J is unbelievable.  He needs to be put in better position to succeed AND he needs to be given the ball.  We actually have some shooters this year which should give him more room to operate.

Part of it is on JB.  He'll maybe post once...but he won't repost.  Is it by design or is he just frustrated that he won't get the ball?  He also has to be strong when he posts and then make quick decisions when he gets it.  Its still real early and hopefully he steps it up when the competition gets better.

From the Providence Journal....

The St. John’s Red Storm survived a furious Brown second-half rally to hold on for a 79-76 win over the Bears at Carnesecca Arena in the Philly Hoop Group Classic.

The Bears trailed for the entire second half but pulled to within one point of St. John’s, 77-76, on a 12-foot jump shot by freshman Tucker Halpern with 41 seconds remaining in the game. St. John’s Malik Boothe hit two free throws with 18 seconds remaining to put the Red Storm up, 79-76.



Read more: http://www.projo.com/brown/content/sp_bkc_brown21_11-21-09_CAGHL63_v3.3984a1b.html

Burrell didn't even go up for the opening tip.  I figured right then that it was gonna be a long night for him.  I don't know if it was a lack of focus or if something was physically wrong but it was apparent from the start.

Burrell didn't even go up for the opening tip.  I figured right then that it was gonna be a long night for him.  I don't know if it was a lack of focus or if something was physically wrong but it was apparent from the start.

To be fair, that was the worst thrown tip I have ever seen in my life.  It has literally thrown backwards towards the Brown center. 

Burrell is a big concern, but the real problem is that we simply don't understand how to defend. We should murdered them.

We can score just fine. We just don't have a clue on d.

The last time I saw us play an Ivy at Alumni we almost lost to a bad Columbia team. Norm's teams learn nothing. This game is on him.