Lack of assists by PG's cause for concern?

Quote from: we are sju on December 16, 2009, 01:44:12 PM

Whether he can play for pay in Timbuktu has no bearing on the fact that he is a starting point guard that does not make his teamates better. His NCAA stats back this up pretty decisively!

You mumbled something earlier about not being a stats guy. Maybe you need to attend some games and see him play in person to get a real feel for what he does on the floor.

His awful stats just back up what I have seen on TV. Boothe only real purpose on this team is to bring the ball up the court. He then initiates the pass the ball around the perimeter offense. When the hot potatoe ends with him the possesion usually results in something negative. If the ball ends in Kennedy's hands generally something positive happens. The reason we have enjoyed some success this season is simply the fact that Norm finally found a player that can get others involved in addition to getting off a shot at the end of the hot potatoe game he calls an offense. We are playing better this season becuase DJ is better than Mase and Geno were! It is really that simple. Furthermore even Norm has figured this out by playing Hardy at the point during crucial momemts. Seriously if Norm has figured something out that you haven't it is really time to brush up on your basketball for Dummies handbook.

Prediction. After two straight brutal BE losses sometime in January Hardy takes over as the starter at the point.

Think Geno would have been pretty good with this current roster?

Doesn't anyone watch horror movies? Never say the person's name or he might come back! Freddy, Jason, Michael Meyers, Geno.   

Quote from: Marco Baldi on December 16, 2009, 02:15:24 PM

Think Geno would have been pretty good with this current roster?

Doesn't anyone watch horror movies? Never say the person's name or he might come back! Freddy, Jason, Michael Meyers, Geno.   

Candyman

Quote from: Marco Baldi on December 16, 2009, 02:15:24 PM

Think Geno would have been pretty good with this current roster?

Doesn't anyone watch horror movies? Never say the person's name or he might come back! Freddy, Jason, Michael Meyers, Geno.   

Admit it, you miss the constantly dribbling off the foot at the top of the key and the randomly jacked up threes from a 25% shooter. 

Not that I'm saying anything we don't already know, but Geno isn't a Big East/NIT/NCAA Tourney point guard. He was an America East player going up against top 10 teams. He worked hard and bled for the program, as much as I usually detest that phrase.

Quote from: we are sju on December 16, 2009, 03:50:56 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on December 16, 2009, 02:15:24 PM

Think Geno would have been pretty good with this current roster?

Doesn't anyone watch horror movies? Never say the person's name or he might come back! Freddy, Jason, Michael Meyers, Geno.   

Admit it, you miss the constantly dribbling off the foot at the top of the key and the randomly jacked up threes from a 25% shooter. 

Not that I'm saying anything we don't already know, but Geno isn't a Big East/NIT/NCAA Tourney point guard. He was an America East player going up against top 10 teams. He worked hard and bled for the program, as much as I usually detest that phrase.

I think the best thing that ever happened to Malik Boothe is the memory of He who shall not be named! No matter how bad he plays for me at least he is an improvement!

Quote from: redstormhoopsfan on December 16, 2009, 12:03:29 PM

Quote from: we are sju on December 16, 2009, 11:21:00 AM

That "he does a lot of things that don't show up on the stat sheet" thing is all well and good for a defensive stopper or your 7th-9th men but really is not in play for the starting point guard...

I know that ALMOST only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, darts and archery, but on Sunday I will try to keep a count of Malik’s ALMOST assists. You know the ones where he delivers a perfect pass inside and Sean bobbles it and loses it. Or where he lobs it perfectly and DJ clanks it off the iron. Or he goes real low to Dele and it bounces off his fingers into the defenders hands.

All I am saying is that he’s contributing more to this team than you give him credit for.

If you notice some of my back and forth's with GFAK on BEB, I am actually not a big stat guy. Especially in basketball. Some stats just jump out at you though. Dropped passes or not, 1.9 is a hard stat to stomach from your starting PG. Now if he pounded the ball for 30 seconds and played 38 minutes a game, I am sure he would have a couple more per game but still! A starting point is SUPPOSED to accumulate some stats.
Now apart from the woeful asst avg, judging by what I saw last year and in the three televised games this year he has been hugely dissapointing! In fact he has to get some of the blame for how terrible Burrell has been these last two years. This is how I would rate the the factors in Burrell's unprecedented decline:
1. Burrell's lack of desire
2. Norm's offense
3. The fact that Boothe doesn't seem to know how to make an entry pass and his lack of penetration into the lane. He attempts to penetrate but usually leaves his feet with no idea of what to do. I think the main problem is that he is so short and he just gets bottled up in there.

Your number two and three are visible.....one is internal to the player

We are playing better this season becuase DJ is better than Mase and Geno were! It is really that simple.

Not true Simple Simon.

Here are the CA top 10 or 16 reasons we're better this season: 

1) All our sophs are now juniors
2) Prez playing all-conf. level
3) JB2
4) D-buckets
5) Malik III
6) Omari
7) Coker now blocking shots more like Motumbo than Keita
Fresh legs from all the depth
9) Better man to man D from all the depth
10) More scoring options (depth?)
11) Improved bench (depth?)
12) The new scoreboard at Alumni
13) The new mascot?
14) TyEd doesn't play
15) We've finally recoverd from the catastrophic losses of both Michigan and Avery "3 point record holder" Patterson.
16) Last but hardy least...Improved support at games from the jungle

You really need to get out and see a game.  On your 50 inch you can't see the forrest for the trees.

I have no facts to back up what I'm about to say but I think the lack of assists as a team is a reflection on poor coaching in general just like I think high turnovers reflects poor coaching

I dont know where we stand as a team in either category right now but it seems like every year ( not including this year since I've only seen 1 game ) we have a ridiculous amount of turnovers. And our assists cant be that high since our ball movement has sucked in years past ( again maybe this year is different )

I have no facts to back up what I'm about to say but I think the lack of assists as a team is a reflection on poor coaching in general just like I think high turnovers reflects poor coaching

I dont know where we stand as a team in either category right now but it seems like every year ( not including this year since I've only seen 1 game ) we have a ridiculous amount of turnovers. And our assists cant be that high since our ball movement has sucked in years past ( again maybe this year is different )

Other than wins, assists are the statistic most indicative of the coach's ability.  We were routinely between 7-9 assists per game the last few years.  That is pathetic. 

I don't know what people see in boothe.  Some of our biggest runs in our biggest games have come with boothe on the pine.  When he's come in, the momentum is lost.  You a boothe supporter and don't want to talk about stats? Howabout that for a non-stat boothe observation. 

We are winning despite boothe, not bc of him.

Sure he should get 10-15 mins a game, esp. When we are pressured bc he's our best ball handler, but he provides nothing else.

His defense is overrated, his assists suck, and his shot his horrible.  He needs to step it up quick, or wasju will be right and hardy will be getting majority of pg minutes.

Rshf - your littlew blurb about how he's a pro prospect shows nothing more than that scout's inability to judge talent.  The proof? He said boothe can pop it from outside.  The scout obviously hasn't watched many games.

boothe's harm on this team will be demonstrated in the BE.  Quickly.  I hope I'm wrong.

Don't bother counting boothe's blown dimes.  Every team has blown dimes.  1.8 assists is atrocious.

Quote from: we are sju on December 16, 2009, 02:45:05 PM

We are playing better this season becuase DJ is better than Mase and Geno were! It is really that simple.

Not true Simple Simon.

Here are the CA top 10 or 16 reasons we're better this season: 

1) All our sophs are now juniors
2) Prez playing all-conf. level
3) JB2
4) D-buckets
5) Malik III
6) Omari
7) Coker now blocking shots more like Motumbo than Keita
Fresh legs from all the depth
9) Better man to man D from all the depth
10) More scoring options (depth?)
11) Improved bench (depth?)
12) The new scoreboard at Alumni
13) The new mascot?
14) TyEd doesn't play
15) We've finally recoverd from the catastrophic losses of both Michigan and Avery "3 point record holder" Patterson.
16) Last but hardy least...Improved support at games from the jungle

You really need to get out and see a game.  On your 50 inch you can't see the forrest for the trees.

More scoring options huh?
The team is averaging 70.6 a game. Last year after 9 games and admittedly worse comp the team was averaging 75.7!

Malik III is averaging 3.3 ppg ans 1.3 asst-OH WAIT does he provide things to the team that do not appear on the stat sheet as well

Lawrence is averaging 2.8 ppg an honestly both guys minutes will disappear if Mason can ever come back.

I like Brownlee and he might Wally Pipp Burrell. I have seen some things I like from Hardy mostly that he isn't one of the Malik's, but considering how he was raved about I expect more.

Horne and  amazingly Burrell have played worse than they did last year. At this rate we might have to start comparing Justin to Jasilonzxzxzcis.

Our deph has allowed us to play more pressure D and change Defenses, but we still play the same crappy offense that is somehow statistically worse than last year's crappy offensive team!

UM .....SO YEAH, THE MAIN REASON WE HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS THIS YEAR IS DJ KENNEDY!

Hey Kid, you and WASJU buy should both try to get permission from your wives to go out one evening and actually attend a game as opposed to watching on your Sylvania 9” black and white TV before you go killing Malik II or any of these kids.

And as for your other thought, profession scouts have no idea of talent.
Pretty stupid comment, even from you.

Hey Kid, you and WASJU buy should both try to get permission from your wives to go out one evening and actually attend a game as opposed to watching on your Sylvania 9” black and white TV before you go killing Malik II or any of these kids.

And as for your other thought, profession scouts have no idea of talent.
Pretty stupid comment, even from you.

You of all people should embrace the fact that the Malik's are not any good! Otherwise the fact that we are still playing the same crappy offense after 6 years falls squarely on Norm! Which is pretty much where it should be, but a good point guard would at least have the effect of spraying perfume on a skunk.
Norm should just stop all pretense and just let Kennedy run the offense, which he is pretty much doing anyway!

Hey Kid, you and WASJU buy should both try to get permission from your wives to go out one evening and actually attend a game as opposed to watching on your Sylvania 9” black and white TV before you go killing Malik II or any of these kids.

And as for your other thought, profession scouts have no idea of talent.
Pretty stupid comment, even from you.

I'll be there on Jan 3 and Jan 23, and more games.

There is no difference in being able to tell how the PG is doing...because he is focused on frequently by the camera guys.  My 42 inch tv is plenty fine to determine Malik Boothe is NOT A GOOD POINT GUARD.

And no, just like not all doctors, lawyers, teachers, construction workers, nurses, coaches, and school presidents are good at what they do, not all scouts are good as what they do.  Only an idiot would assume someone is legit just bc its their job.  The guy said Boothe was verstaile and could shoot from otuside.  He is obviously either a) talking out of his arse, or b) not good at what he does.  Either way, it totally eliminates any validity of his assessment of Boothe.

More scoring options huh?
The team is averaging 70.6 a game. Last year after 9 games and admittedly worse comp the team was averaging 75.7!

Yes, more scoring options. 

We have all the same scoring options as last season ( I'm taking the liberty of not considering Tomas or TyEd scoring options) and now have added two more in JB2 and D-buckets (sidenote..Malik III and Omari look like they could sometimes throw the ball through the orange metal thing but I won't include them here for this excersise).  So, Prez, Hilton, JB1 and Evans makes 4 last year add 2 more this year...divide by 3...carry the 1... and that makes 6 scoring options this season. 

Since 6 > 4...We have more scoring options.  Now this is simple.

I didn't say we've scored more points than last season. I said we have more scoring options which you'll agree we do.

Lawrence is averaging 2.8 ppg an honestly both guys minutes will disappear if Mason can ever come back.

Omari made the list as an example of our improved depth. He's 10th off the bench, a freshman, a well regarded signing and is not without reedeming qualities.  Our 10th off the benth last year was a walk on I can't name.

At this rate we might have to start comparing Justin to Jasilonzxzxzcis.

If you don't know that JB1 is better than Tomas, we should cease and desist discussing basketball immediately.

What do you know about fencing?

UM .....SO YEAH, THE MAIN REASON WE HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS THIS YEAR IS DJ KENNEDY!

Prez has been great thus far.  I know this.  I actually go see games...jab...jab.

But this years bench of Hardy boyz, JB2, Dele, Malik III and Omari is much deeper, much bettter and far more effective than last years bench of Dele, Q, TyEd and Tomas.

This is so obvious that even Father H can see this and knows that having more good players has been a huge factor in our early season success.  I'm surprised a knowledgeable fan such as yourself can't.

DJ is not rowing this boat alone, and it's unfair to write that he is.

Yep. I agree with everything on this thread.

If only we had a point guard, if only we had a coach, why... we might have beaten Temple & Sienna on the road. We might have actually been in the game against Duke, in fact, we might even be 8-1 right now!

What?

oh....

Never mind.

Yep. I agree with everything on this thread.

If only we had a point guard, if only we had a coach, why... we might have beaten Temple & Sienna on the road. We might have actually been in the game against Duke, in fact, we might even be 8-1 right now!

What?

oh....

Never mind.

How short sighted are you?  Do you not agree it is possible to beat teams despite of one player who, once you go up against better teams - like those we will face in the BE - that player's deficiencies will stick out like a sore thumb?

Yep. I agree with everything on this thread.

If only we had a point guard, if only we had a coach, why... we might have beaten Temple & Sienna on the road. We might have actually been in the game against Duke, in fact, we might even be 8-1 right now!

What?

oh....

Never mind.

I think we have all seen how 8-1 can become 16-18 or whatever!

Quote from: Jacstorm on December 17, 2009, 02:40:02 PM

Yep. I agree with everything on this thread.

If only we had a point guard, if only we had a coach, why... we might have beaten Temple & Sienna on the road. We might have actually been in the game against Duke, in fact, we might even be 8-1 right now!

What?

oh....

Never mind.

I think we have all seen how 8-1 can become 16-18 or whatever!

Not this year lil buddy! Your 14 win prediction is ridic yo

This has been a great thread so far lets not loose sight of that please.

I'm a little torn right now. I think Boothe might be best served starting games, yanked quickly, and finishing games due to ball handling. Tha Kid has a point in a sense of when do we make runs? I do think this team needs Boothe though and if he can step his game up ever so slightly it would be so beneficial.

To we are sju I think you've gone off the deep end a little lol. I know you're half kidding in all your posts but its not as bad as you paint it.

So now I want to pose another question. If Boothe sits in favor of Hardy, then how do we run our offense? Do the same problems persist with lack of PG production?