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Burrell
« on: December 21, 2009, 02:44:36 PM »
IDK if you guys mentioned this already but it looked like JB was not on crutches yesterday and was jumping off the bench cheering on his team after big plays

Hopefully this means he is healing quick and will get back for Big East play because we definitely need him to win some games

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Re: Burrell
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2009, 03:01:00 PM »
We do need him. Hopefully, he's ready to go on the 31st.
Lot of guys earning minutes. Going to be interesting to see who plays.

Overall, it seems like he's going to have to rebound better, and defend better to play as much as he had been.

Burrell has to get after it.

He's the most talented, but watching Brownlee board lately, I'm impressed.
He's not coming off the court at crunch time.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2009, 03:05:42 PM »
Burrell is essential to this team.  The team plays better within the flow of the offensive when he's in.  He's not a ball hog/black hole/careless like Sean Evans often gets, and he's not a fairly basic offensive player like Dele Coker.  He's the best of all worlds.  Justin Burrell SHOULD be avergaing 13 and 8 a game and he may not.  But even if he averages 9 and 6, he helps the team and is a great team player.  Everyone hated on the kid in year 1 bc he was too "me me me" and whined on the court, soph year they hated him bc he didnt have the desire (yet notice, the whining and me me me stopped), let's give the kid a chance.  He's matured and hopefully has grown into his own.  I've seen things I've liked this year.  I think he's ready to emerge as a real asset to the team.
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Re: Burrell
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2009, 03:08:54 PM »
Tha Kid has it right, in my opinion.

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2009, 03:18:40 PM »
I have mixed feelings for Burrell right now.  Brownlee has just been fantastic.  Back to back double-doubles, he has blocked more shots already this season than JB did his whole first year.  Brownlee is just such an energy guy and he CREATES points for himself and others.

JB has a  good back to the basket game and he also has the best 12-15 foot jump shot on the team.  I think that jumper will be huge in some dry spells, because it is a shot that will always be there for a PF.  Hopefully JB can come back and rebound like a maniac. 

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2009, 03:33:28 PM »
I have mixed feelings for Burrell right now.  Brownlee has just been fantastic.  Back to back double-doubles, he has blocked more shots already this season than JB did his whole first year.  Brownlee is just such an energy guy and he CREATES points for himself and others.

JB has a  good back to the basket game and he also has the best 12-15 foot jump shot on the team.  I think that jumper will be huge in some dry spells, because it is a shot that will always be there for a PF.  Hopefully JB can come back and rebound like a maniac.

Why are we comparing Brownlee and Burrell?  I want both in the game at the same time.

Kennedy, Hardy/Horne, Mase, Brownlee, Burrell is an insanely athletic team.  I think you can get away playing Burrell at C esp. if you have Kennedy and/or Mase at the 3.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2009, 03:39:37 PM »
I have mixed feelings for Burrell right now.  Brownlee has just been fantastic.  Back to back double-doubles, he has blocked more shots already this season than JB did his whole first year.  Brownlee is just such an energy guy and he CREATES points for himself and others.

JB has a  good back to the basket game and he also has the best 12-15 foot jump shot on the team.  I think that jumper will be huge in some dry spells, because it is a shot that will always be there for a PF.  Hopefully JB can come back and rebound like a maniac.

Why are we comparing Brownlee and Burrell?  I want both in the game at the same time.

Kennedy, Hardy/Horne, Mase, Brownlee, Burrell is an insanely athletic team.  I think you can get away playing Burrell at C esp. if you have Kennedy and/or Mase at the 3.

I think Evans hustles more on offense and during breaks.  He makes opposing centers pay.  He also rebounds better.

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2009, 04:09:28 PM »
I have mixed feelings for Burrell right now.  Brownlee has just been fantastic.  Back to back double-doubles, he has blocked more shots already this season than JB did his whole first year.  Brownlee is just such an energy guy and he CREATES points for himself and others.

JB has a  good back to the basket game and he also has the best 12-15 foot jump shot on the team.  I think that jumper will be huge in some dry spells, because it is a shot that will always be there for a PF.  Hopefully JB can come back and rebound like a maniac.

Why are we comparing Brownlee and Burrell?  I want both in the game at the same time.

Kennedy, Hardy/Horne, Mase, Brownlee, Burrell is an insanely athletic team.  I think you can get away playing Burrell at C esp. if you have Kennedy and/or Mase at the 3.

I think Evans hustles more on offense and during breaks.  He makes opposing centers pay.  He also rebounds better.

He is also a Turnover machine, can turn into a black hole, and doesn't box out on the defensive glass.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2009, 04:12:13 PM »
I have mixed feelings for Burrell right now.  Brownlee has just been fantastic.  Back to back double-doubles, he has blocked more shots already this season than JB did his whole first year.  Brownlee is just such an energy guy and he CREATES points for himself and others.

JB has a  good back to the basket game and he also has the best 12-15 foot jump shot on the team.  I think that jumper will be huge in some dry spells, because it is a shot that will always be there for a PF.  Hopefully JB can come back and rebound like a maniac.

Why are we comparing Brownlee and Burrell?  I want both in the game at the same time.

Kennedy, Hardy/Horne, Mase, Brownlee, Burrell is an insanely athletic team.  I think you can get away playing Burrell at C esp. if you have Kennedy and/or Mase at the 3.

I think Evans hustles more on offense and during breaks.  He makes opposing centers pay.  He also rebounds better.

He is also a Turnover machine, can turn into a black hole, and doesn't box out on the defensive glass.

TO machine...absolutely.  I think Norm has to reign him in.  He tries to be a SF at times and he is not.  JB1 has to rebound.  It's that simple.  The simple fact is that Evans is the better rebounder of the two. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2009, 04:18:27 PM »
I have mixed feelings for Burrell right now.  Brownlee has just been fantastic.  Back to back double-doubles, he has blocked more shots already this season than JB did his whole first year.  Brownlee is just such an energy guy and he CREATES points for himself and others.

JB has a  good back to the basket game and he also has the best 12-15 foot jump shot on the team.  I think that jumper will be huge in some dry spells, because it is a shot that will always be there for a PF.  Hopefully JB can come back and rebound like a maniac.

Why are we comparing Brownlee and Burrell?  I want both in the game at the same time.

Kennedy, Hardy/Horne, Mase, Brownlee, Burrell is an insanely athletic team.  I think you can get away playing Burrell at C esp. if you have Kennedy and/or Mase at the 3.

I think Evans hustles more on offense and during breaks.  He makes opposing centers pay.  He also rebounds better.

He is also a Turnover machine, can turn into a black hole, and doesn't box out on the defensive glass.

TO machine...absolutely.  I think Norm has to reign him in.  He tries to be a SF at times and he is not.  JB1 has to rebound.  It's that simple.  The simple fact is that Evans is the better rebounder of the two.

I don't think we're disagreeing then.  My point is, if we have Kennedy and Brownlee already in, I go with slightly worse rebounding but increased flow of offense, which is Justin Burrell.  I also think Evans' athleticism and desire results in far more offensive rebounds.  I'm not convinced he's a better defensive rebounder than Burrell.  Burrell is one of the few guys on the team I notice occasionally making a concerted effort to box out.

The lack of boxing out kills me.  IF everyone boxed out we'd have such a huge rebounding advantage it would be absurd.
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2009, 04:24:34 PM »
I think Burrell, Evans, Coker, Brownlee, and Thomas all have their benefits. Everyone can be used
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 04:34:25 PM »
I have mixed feelings for Burrell right now.  Brownlee has just been fantastic.  Back to back double-doubles, he has blocked more shots already this season than JB did his whole first year.  Brownlee is just such an energy guy and he CREATES points for himself and others.

JB has a  good back to the basket game and he also has the best 12-15 foot jump shot on the team.  I think that jumper will be huge in some dry spells, because it is a shot that will always be there for a PF.  Hopefully JB can come back and rebound like a maniac.

Why are we comparing Brownlee and Burrell?  I want both in the game at the same time.

Kennedy, Hardy/Horne, Mase, Brownlee, Burrell is an insanely athletic team.  I think you can get away playing Burrell at C esp. if you have Kennedy and/or Mase at the 3.

I think Evans hustles more on offense and during breaks.  He makes opposing centers pay.  He also rebounds better.

He is also a Turnover machine, can turn into a black hole, and doesn't box out on the defensive glass.

TO machine...absolutely.  I think Norm has to reign him in.  He tries to be a SF at times and he is not.  JB1 has to rebound.  It's that simple.  The simple fact is that Evans is the better rebounder of the two.

I don't think we're disagreeing then.  My point is, if we have Kennedy and Brownlee already in, I go with slightly worse rebounding but increased flow of offense, which is Justin Burrell.  I also think Evans' athleticism and desire results in far more offensive rebounds.  I'm not convinced he's a better defensive rebounder than Burrell.  Burrell is one of the few guys on the team I notice occasionally making a concerted effort to box out.

The lack of boxing out kills me.  IF everyone boxed out we'd have such a huge rebounding advantage it would be absurd.

I don't think we are disagreeing either.  Evans is such an enigma to me--just when you've had it with him he makes and amazing cut or throws down a ridiculous dunk in transition after outrunning GUARDS to get to the basket. 

JB1 does box out well defensively and that does lead to others getting his boards, which has to be accounted for.  The thing that worries me about JB1 is his lack of success in getting 50/50 balls.  I hope it was the mask and it's too early in the season to say that it wasn't.  JB1 does give us our most legit offensive PF.  His jumper is underutilized IMO. 

Brownlee, however, has just been incredible so far.  JB1 and Evans are consumers, but Brownlee is a producer.  His tip-ins, rebounds, rejections, and deflections all create points that we haven't had as a team in six years.

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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2009, 04:42:01 PM »
I think Burrell, Evans, Coker, Brownlee, and Thomas all have their benefits. Everyone can be used

always the politician.   ;)  No one is saying that any of those guys should be benched.  All healthy, who are the two you want in crunch time, Dave?
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 04:43:42 PM »
I have mixed feelings for Burrell right now.  Brownlee has just been fantastic.  Back to back double-doubles, he has blocked more shots already this season than JB did his whole first year.  Brownlee is just such an energy guy and he CREATES points for himself and others.

JB has a  good back to the basket game and he also has the best 12-15 foot jump shot on the team.  I think that jumper will be huge in some dry spells, because it is a shot that will always be there for a PF.  Hopefully JB can come back and rebound like a maniac.

Why are we comparing Brownlee and Burrell?  I want both in the game at the same time.

Kennedy, Hardy/Horne, Mase, Brownlee, Burrell is an insanely athletic team.  I think you can get away playing Burrell at C esp. if you have Kennedy and/or Mase at the 3.

I think Evans hustles more on offense and during breaks.  He makes opposing centers pay.  He also rebounds better.

He is also a Turnover machine, can turn into a black hole, and doesn't box out on the defensive glass.

TO machine...absolutely.  I think Norm has to reign him in.  He tries to be a SF at times and he is not.  JB1 has to rebound.  It's that simple.  The simple fact is that Evans is the better rebounder of the two.

I don't think we're disagreeing then.  My point is, if we have Kennedy and Brownlee already in, I go with slightly worse rebounding but increased flow of offense, which is Justin Burrell.  I also think Evans' athleticism and desire results in far more offensive rebounds.  I'm not convinced he's a better defensive rebounder than Burrell.  Burrell is one of the few guys on the team I notice occasionally making a concerted effort to box out.

The lack of boxing out kills me.  IF everyone boxed out we'd have such a huge rebounding advantage it would be absurd.

I don't think we are disagreeing either.  Evans is such an enigma to me--just when you've had it with him he makes and amazing cut or throws down a ridiculous dunk in transition after outrunning GUARDS to get to the basket. 

JB1 does box out well defensively and that does lead to others getting his boards, which has to be accounted for.  The thing that worries me about JB1 is his lack of success in getting 50/50 balls.  I hope it was the mask and it's too early in the season to say that it wasn't.  JB1 does give us our most legit offensive PF.  His jumper is underutilized IMO. 

Brownlee, however, has just been incredible so far.  JB1 and Evans are consumers, but Brownlee is a producer.  His tip-ins, rebounds, rejections, and deflections all create points that we haven't had as a team in six years.

I totally agree Brownlee is the most important of all of them and the best.  Without him I really think we have more losses right now.  He and Kennedy are the MVPs, IMO. 

Brownlee reminds me of what I thought Reggie Jessie was going to turn to - except more athletic than Reggie (and obviously better since reggie regressed). 
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