St Johns All Decade Team

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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2009, 10:36:31 AM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2009, 10:37:00 AM by Tha Kid »
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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2009, 01:16:40 PM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.

Anyone taking Prez over Bootsy is probably just giving props to the all-around repetoire he's showing.  Bootsy was great but he was one dimensional.  Granted it was a fine dimension.

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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2009, 02:19:27 PM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.

Anyone taking Prez over Bootsy is probably just giving props to the all-around repetoire he's showing.  Bootsy was great but he was one dimensional.  Granted it was a fine dimension.

I thought you were a long-time fan with a great memory?  Doesn't seem like you are if you are dissing Bootsy like that.  Bootsy was a fantastic rebounder for a guard.  Want stats? 

Bootsy for his career averaged 15.1ppg, 5 rebounds per game, nearly 2 steals per game, 2.3 assists per game (more than both of our PGs this year), shot 49.3% overall and 36.7% from 3.

But yeah, Bootsy was one dimensional.   ::) ::) ::) :o
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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2009, 02:36:12 PM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.

Anyone taking Prez over Bootsy is probably just giving props to the all-around repetoire he's showing.  Bootsy was great but he was one dimensional.  Granted it was a fine dimension.

I thought you were a long-time fan with a great memory?  Doesn't seem like you are if you are dissing Bootsy like that.  Bootsy was a fantastic rebounder for a guard.  Want stats? 

Bootsy for his career averaged 15.1ppg, 5 rebounds per game, nearly 2 steals per game, 2.3 assists per game (more than both of our PGs this year), shot 49.3% overall and 36.7% from 3.

But yeah, Bootsy was one dimensional.   ::) ::) ::) :o

I have some better stats for you! Bootsy played in an Elite 8 and a second round of a NCAA tourney! Prez played in 2 BE games and a play station NCAA tourney or whatever that thing is called that they played in last year.
Oh and Bootsy dropped 40 on Duke in an OT loss then was the high scorer on a team that beat Duke AT Duke!!!!!!
Prez was getting props for scoring 18 in a 7 point loss!
If we did a tale of the tape on Kennedy vs Bootsy's SJU career, Bootsy would be Tyson and DJ Spinks!

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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2009, 02:39:06 PM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.

Anyone taking Prez over Bootsy is probably just giving props to the all-around repetoire he's showing.  Bootsy was great but he was one dimensional.  Granted it was a fine dimension.

I thought you were a long-time fan with a great memory?  Doesn't seem like you are if you are dissing Bootsy like that.  Bootsy was a fantastic rebounder for a guard.  Want stats? 

Bootsy for his career averaged 15.1ppg, 5 rebounds per game, nearly 2 steals per game, 2.3 assists per game (more than both of our PGs this year), shot 49.3% overall and 36.7% from 3.

But yeah, Bootsy was one dimensional.   ::) ::) ::) :o

I have some better stats for you! Bootsy played in an Elite 8 and a second round of a NCAA tourney! Prez played in 2 BE games and a play station NCAA tourney or whatever that thing is called that they played in last year.
Oh and Bootsy dropped 40 on Duke in an OT loss then was the high scorer on a team that beat Duke AT Duke!!!!!!
Prez was getting props for scoring 18 in a 7 point loss!
If we did a tale of the tape on Kennedy vs Bootsy's SJU career, Bootsy would be Tyson and DJ Spinks!

What is amazing to me, is people constantly defend Norm and all of his players as if this team has done something special.  They have - gone 5 years without making an NIT!  That's prob a record in St. John's history!

Guys like Bootsy should be given the benefit of the doubt JUST for being on such a successful team, yet he doesn't even NEED the benefit of the doubt because his stats were that good.  IT boggles the mind how brainwashed some people are and how people consider this team the second coming just because it's much improved from the crappiest teams in st johns history.
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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2009, 02:40:43 PM »
I'll go further!  Saying this team is awesome is like saying Sally Struthers is hot because you've been hitting this your whole life:




OK we could be pretty damn good but everyone is giving us the benefit of the doubt too quickly without proving anything!
« Last Edit: December 29, 2009, 02:41:25 PM by Tha Kid »
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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2009, 02:49:15 PM »
I'll go further!  Saying this team is awesome is like saying Sally Struthers is hot because you've been hitting this your whole life:




OK we could be pretty damn good but everyone is giving us the benefit of the doubt too quickly without proving anything!

I like DJ, but honestly he would have had to battle Reggie Jessie for playing time on the Elite 8 team!

Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2009, 12:14:16 AM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.

Anyone taking Prez over Bootsy is probably just giving props to the all-around repetoire he's showing.  Bootsy was great but he was one dimensional.  Granted it was a fine dimension.

I thought you were a long-time fan with a great memory?  Doesn't seem like you are if you are dissing Bootsy like that.  Bootsy was a fantastic rebounder for a guard.  Want stats? 

Bootsy for his career averaged 15.1ppg, 5 rebounds per game, nearly 2 steals per game, 2.3 assists per game (more than both of our PGs this year), shot 49.3% overall and 36.7% from 3.

But yeah, Bootsy was one dimensional.   ::) ::) ::) :o

Those are good rebounding numbers.  I stand corrected.  I don't remember him as a good defensive player and I remember the other 3 as very good defenders. 

Do I have that wrong too?

Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2009, 12:16:27 AM »
Bootsy would be Tyson and DJ Spinks!

Bad analogy as Sprinks won an olympic gold and was heavyweight champion of the world.  His brother Michael was good too if that's who you meant.

Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2009, 12:24:11 AM »
IT boggles the mind how brainwashed some people are and how people consider this team the second coming just because it's much improved from the crappiest teams in st johns history.

Who are these brainwashed people that consider this team the second coming?  I never read anything along those lines on this or other boards.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2009, 12:27:21 AM by carmineabbatiello »

Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2009, 12:25:44 AM »
I'll go further!  Saying this team is awesome is like saying Sally Struthers is hot because you've been hitting this your whole life:




OK we could be pretty damn good but everyone is giving us the benefit of the doubt too quickly without proving anything!

I like DJ, but honestly he would have had to battle Reggie Jessie for playing time on the Elite 8 team!

That's a battle he'ld win like Tyson over Spinks or something like that.

Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2009, 12:49:03 AM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.

Anyone taking Prez over Bootsy is probably just giving props to the all-around repetoire he's showing.  Bootsy was great but he was one dimensional.  Granted it was a fine dimension.

I thought you were a long-time fan with a great memory?  Doesn't seem like you are if you are dissing Bootsy like that.  Bootsy was a fantastic rebounder for a guard.  Want stats? 

Bootsy for his career averaged 15.1ppg, 5 rebounds per game, nearly 2 steals per game, 2.3 assists per game (more than both of our PGs this year), shot 49.3% overall and 36.7% from 3.

But yeah, Bootsy was one dimensional.   ::) ::) ::) :o

Those are good rebounding numbers.  I stand corrected.   I don't remember him as a good defensive player and I recall considering the other 3 standouts as better defenders than him.  Come to think of it,  I would have him pegged as the 4th leading rebounder on that team?   

Do I have this stuff wrong too?

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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2009, 10:14:19 AM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.

Anyone taking Prez over Bootsy is probably just giving props to the all-around repetoire he's showing.  Bootsy was great but he was one dimensional.  Granted it was a fine dimension.

I thought you were a long-time fan with a great memory?  Doesn't seem like you are if you are dissing Bootsy like that.  Bootsy was a fantastic rebounder for a guard.  Want stats? 

Bootsy for his career averaged 15.1ppg, 5 rebounds per game, nearly 2 steals per game, 2.3 assists per game (more than both of our PGs this year), shot 49.3% overall and 36.7% from 3.

But yeah, Bootsy was one dimensional.   ::) ::) ::) :o

Those are good rebounding numbers.  I stand corrected.   I don't remember him as a good defensive player and I recall considering the other 3 standouts as better defenders than him.  Come to think of it,  I would have him pegged as the 4th leading rebounder on that team?   

Do I have this stuff wrong too?

Carmine,  You are somewhat correct.

In 98-99 Bootsy was 4th on the team with 4.5 rebounds a game behind Artest, Ty Boogie, and Postell.  He was actually 0.2 rebounds per game ahead of reggie jessie.

In 99-00 Bootsy was the 2ND leading rebounder on the team behind only Postell, and he was tied with Reggie Jessie.  Surprisingly, Glover was the 4th leading rebounder that season.  It could be a  Burrell effect where glover boxed out great and helped others get boards but who knows.

Point is, Bootsy did a LOT for the team, was the BE conference tourney MVP in 2000 and was I believe All-BE 2nd and 3rd team in his 2 years with us.  To take DJ's body of work so far over that would be error.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2009, 10:15:06 AM by Tha Kid »
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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2009, 10:28:52 AM »
Here is my list (at this time no particular order):

E. Barkley
M. Hatten
D. Hill
O. Cook
B. Thorton
L. Postell
R. Artest
L. Hamilton
A. Glover

and D.J. Kennedy is making his way on that list as well.

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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2009, 10:38:06 AM »
Here is my list (at this time no particular order):

E. Barkley
M. Hatten
D. Hill
O. Cook
B. Thorton
L. Postell
R. Artest
L. Hamilton
A. Glover

and D.J. Kennedy is making his way on that list as well.

Ron Artest never played for St. John's in this decade.
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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2009, 07:22:40 PM »
sad that only three players in the decade sniffed the nba...and not by much.
barkley
postell
cook
hatten
bootsie

daryl hill if he hadn't gotten hurt...and mase jr...also hurt so they get incompletes.  ingram also gets an incomplete since he was jettisoned prematurely by FH.

glover was a good one and the jury is still out on dj kennedy.

+1 to Barkley, Postell, Cook, Hatten, Bootsy

Anyone who takes DJ so far over Bootsy Thornton has their head up their arse....Or Norm;s....

DJ is very good but Marvis' body of work so far beats DJ (remember Bootsy was here as a junior and senior, DJ is not even halfway through his junior year).  When DJ graduates, hopefully it will be different.

Anyone taking Prez over Bootsy is probably just giving props to the all-around repetoire he's showing.  Bootsy was great but he was one dimensional.  Granted it was a fine dimension.

I thought you were a long-time fan with a great memory?  Doesn't seem like you are if you are dissing Bootsy like that.  Bootsy was a fantastic rebounder for a guard.  Want stats? 

Bootsy for his career averaged 15.1ppg, 5 rebounds per game, nearly 2 steals per game, 2.3 assists per game (more than both of our PGs this year), shot 49.3% overall and 36.7% from 3.

But yeah, Bootsy was one dimensional.   ::) ::) ::) :o

Those are good rebounding numbers.  I stand corrected.   I don't remember him as a good defensive player and I recall considering the other 3 standouts as better defenders than him.  Come to think of it,  I would have him pegged as the 4th leading rebounder on that team?   

Do I have this stuff wrong too?

Carmine,  You are somewhat correct.

In 98-99 Bootsy was 4th on the team with 4.5 rebounds a game behind Artest, Ty Boogie, and Postell.  He was actually 0.2 rebounds per game ahead of reggie jessie.

In 99-00 Bootsy was the 2ND leading rebounder on the team behind only Postell, and he was tied with Reggie Jessie.  Surprisingly, Glover was the 4th leading rebounder that season.  It could be a  Burrell effect where glover boxed out great and helped others get boards but who knows.

Point is, Bootsy did a LOT for the team, was the BE conference tourney MVP in 2000 and was I believe All-BE 2nd and 3rd team in his 2 years with us.  To take DJ's body of work so far over that would be error.

Far be it from me to disparage a great Johnny and major contributor from our last big Ncaa run.  That was not my intention as I only saught to point out the Artest like (relax, I'm not comparing him to concussion Ron) all-arond game that Prez is showing so far this season.

Actually, Bootsy was my favorite player on that squad.  Barkely was my second favorite because he drove the nicest cars and used to beat down the Pillsbury dough boy Amin.

Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2009, 10:54:49 PM »
Here is my list (at this time no particular order):

E. Barkley
M. Hatten
D. Hill
O. Cook
B. Thorton
L. Postell
R. Artest
L. Hamilton
A. Glover

and D.J. Kennedy is making his way on that list as well.

Ron Artest never played for St. John's in this decade.

It depends on your definition of the last decade. I'm counting the last 10 years back to 1999. :D

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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2009, 08:52:20 AM »
From 01-present...

Hatten, Reynolds, King, Cook & Glover
Bench, DJ, Horne, Hamilton, Burrell, Hill and Hardy.
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Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2009, 09:37:45 AM »
DJ is my fave player on this team, but let's get real, fellas. 

In order:

1. Barkley
2. Thornton (tie)
2. Postell (tie)
4. Hatten
5. Glover

2nd Team

G Cook
G Hill (but would almost as quickly put Fordham here)
F Kennedy
F Mason
C Hamilton

Bootsy was fantastic.  Great shooter AND scorer.  He also played solid D and was a sensational rebounder.  Glover gets the nod because he did play on some decent teams and had no help whatsoever inside.  He was a manchild his freshman season. 

Damn, what an ugly decade.  Sad the top three came in the first part of 2000.

Re: St Johns All Decade Team
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2009, 07:54:03 PM »
To be considered for an all-decade team, I would think the candidate would have to have played at least two seasons in this decade...2001-2010. That being said here's mine...

Darryll Hill
Lamont Hamilton
DJ Kennedy
Eugene Lawrence
Marcus Hatten

Not a good looking crew but EL played alot of minutes and was a Holiday Festival MVP.