Georgetown Post Game Discussion

That play by Evans just shows that the players have no clue.  I must have said 10x "Please don't charge...oh, please pass it" during that bumbling 15 second run down court.  Why does Sean Evans play so dumb for a junior that has logged insane minutes? 

Why does he even have the PRIVILEGE of bouncing the basketball when he does other things so well and is so clearly incapable of consistently producing off the bounce?

It's all the coach. 

Eight days to prepare for G'town which essentially looks for one of three things EVERY SINGLE POSSESSION. How can you possibly be unprepared?

G'town is not a good team.

Brilliant move playing Hardy on the ball when we so clearly needed to be freeing him with screens and letting him move off the ball at the end. Norm Roberts will never learn.

I'm surprised that you ever jumped ship on Roberts' ineptness and coaching (or, lack of).

I knew, as soon as Evans got the ball that he was gonna turn it over.  We had the chance to cut a 3 point lead down to one.  IMO, that possession pretty much (along, with Brownlee missing the front end of a one-and-one) did us in.

Not to mention, Evans does that kinda crap, AT LEAST, once a game.  There is absolutely no reason that he should be allowed to continously pull that crap.  As, you said....  It's all on COACH!

I'm also gonna piggy-back you on how we kept breaking down on defense....  How long has COACH seen this offense?  Geez! 

You know what they are looking for on offense....  Backdoors; screening for 3 pointers and Monroe (and, sometimes Vaughn) in the post.  The same junk the Johnnies beat twice in a week from a season ago.

You're right, Marillac!  G'town isn't that good....  I mentioned to RedStorm87 in the chat that I believe G'town is gonna have some trouble, as the season progresses.

Although, I believe we badly need a point guard....  It doesn't let Roberts off the hook.  There is sufficient talent to win these kinda games like last night.  He just doesn't know how to.

I'm really not too disapointed with this game..
I don't think its fair how u guys are all jumping on evans charge wich didn't look to much like a charge but no one has said anything about brownlees to on a 3on2.
     I agree the team lookd a lot better without boothe..I don't understand y omari or thomas didn't play though..overall we had a pretty bad shooting night and gtown had a pretty good one..forget the fts..we shot 39% on the game gtown shot 51% and 40 from 3..I feel horne needs to drive a lot more..that one where he almost got monroe wow!
  Dj only took 7 shots would of liked to see more from him..
Hardy begining to be my favrite player on the team love his game
   Liked evans & burrells play tonite should have dished the ball down low more..evans was a beast on the offensive glass the team jus dosnt seem as hungry on crashing the defensive side..
 Brownlee was good imo maybe a little less js

Overall liked what I saw they didn't give up and I believe these past five years..we shoot like that on the road we lose 20+..I think 500 in conf play is very doable..and hey when was the last time we had 2 plays in the top 5!!on espn..lol

The charge by Evans is inexcusable.  Sean is a junior that has little to no ability at actually handling the ball.  He should not be taking the ball up and unless he has a clear lane, he should not be making an out of control move to the basket like that.  At this stage, Evans should know better.

And I'm not really encouraged by this game.  As Norm said in his post game interview, "We're beyond moral victories and hanging tough with the best teams."  St. John's has had 2 shots to take down a top 25 team and they've dropped them both.  If this is a legitimate NCAA contender, then they need to actually win when they face a big time opponent.

I hate to remind people of this, but St. John's has basically this year and next year to make a run.  After that, they'll go back to being one of the worst in the conference for the next 2 years at minimum.  And as I have stated the entire season, an NIT appearance is too little, too late in my opinion.  If someone is on the job for 6 years and all they have to show is an NIT appearance, I'm sorry, that's a pretty poor job.

I have a lot to say about this one, but got to run out in a little.  Just watched the game.

1- Marillac, I disagree with you to some extent.  I think Norm didn't have a terrible coaching game.  I do agree that there's some training and lenience that needs improving... Evans' 2 1 on 2 moments were simply f'ing awful.

2- For those of you calling for Stith, watch again.  His dribble needs improvement and his D improved during the game, but I wouldn't trust him.  Then again, Boothe was Wright's prison wife for a little there, and we had no answer for him.  They needed to cover him better.  But Stith was hurting the team in the first half, in my opinion.  Made a nice pass out to Hardy from the post.

3- Related: what the eff is with the team's defensive awareness?  There were moments when guys did things that just made me frustrated (and this is why the Hoyas shot 51%) . Hardy starting?  He's gets caught in defensive no-man's lands repeatedly.  On breaks, he's on slippery skates.  And as the back line of the defense, he doesn't commit to either stopping the dribbler (and trying to get a charge) or gambling. Isn't the last man supposed to make the dribbler go through you to the hoop?  Boothe is better at that, even if he's wearing smuggled pumps and kool-aid lipstick.  (Yeah, I went there. Thank DMX for teaching me that about prison.)  Moreover, Brownlee... needs to box out. Evans needs to be more principled.

4- Related to Hardy: has anyone noticed that Horne's help defense... and ability to stay with his man... are overrated?  He also gets caught in no man's lands.  Also, how is it he NEVER draws a foul?  That's not his fault, not necessarily, but it's weird.  He tried to throw it on Monroe and got no call.  And last year, he didn't get to the foul line that much either.

5- Brownlee and Hardy sure took a lot of shots.  The team needed more Kennedy, creating.

6- On the plus sides: I love and hate Justin Burrell's game.  It was mostly excellent and well worth the 12 points Tha Kid predicted.  But I fear that like in other years, he'll have a nice early game and then disappear, by fault of both the team and himself.  But man, he was a force, drawing fouls, moving with and without the ball, finishing strong.
6a- I thought Coker - ticky tack fouls aside - wasn't bad.  Needs to hold on to the rebounds.
6b- Speaking of coaching, I always thought the people who were crying about the rotation were being kind of silly.
6c- Nice work winning the turnover battle.

7- Aaarggh. Speaking of coaching again, I hate following a team and cussing at the TV about numerous iffy plays.  They need to be better on defense, in defensive awareness.  This game was just about winnable.  And they didn't.  I suppose you can say they've come a long way, but I really think that defensive effort isn't gonna cut mustard.  And the free throw shooting (and getting to the damn line) is straight up woeful.  They need a crisper effort to beat Providence - some work driving to the rim.

Not the most disheartening opener... and really, a lot of what I thought I would see.

It's 1 thing for Boothe to not score or even dish out assists but he better play lock down D and last night he was toasted by Chris Wright.  Right now he basically gives us nothing until he makes the occasional nice drive.  Teams play off him and dare him to shoot and he looks like he has no clue how to react to it. 

If Mase comes back close to what he's been Paris is going to be in trouble.  I loved his play last year but now hes nothing more then a jump shooter (who misses way more then makes) who occasionally drives to the basket in a wreckless abandon and almost never gets 2 points on the board.  He doesn't dish off to anyone else, misses a dunk/lay up, or does get fouled and is shooting like crap from the line. 

I think Norm has no clue what to do with Brownlee.  The more I watch this kid play I'm amazed at how much he can do.  That baseline drive/dunk was sick, but then he didn't drive again.  We're going to be undersized downlow, so lets use our speed and let our bigs drive on them.  EVERYTIME Burrell or Brownlee drove by they got a foul or an easy make.  Brownlee is pretty automatic with that 10-15 foot jumper as well but we only get to see it 1 or 2 times a game. 

Ahhh the 1 thing I can be happy about is that this is the 1st time in years I'm pist about a loss rather then just like oh well.  We can play with all these teams, now its time to beat them.

This team doesn't have a true capable point guard.
Norm's coaching needs work as always, but Boothe and Stith are only so good.

I think if we're going to sniff the NCAA, we need to get the ball out of Boothe's hands. He can't guard anyone. Once you get the ball up the court, it's easy to just shoot over him. Wright did it at will.

Kennedy, Hardy, Mason, Burrell and Coker should start. 

Are you serious?  Any ref in the country had that as a charge when that idiot had the ball had half court if he tried to finish.  How many 6'8 250 pound men can pull that off?  Why does he think he is so special?  Centers going coast to coast isn't even accepted in JV basketball. 

I lump in Brownlee as well.  They both think they have two guard ability.  They clearly do not.  What's so puzzling is that they actually do a number of things very well, but Norm is such a God-awful coach he cannot get them to refrain from playing outside of their abilities.

Justin could have fouled Monroe out with more touches.  It's just mind-boggling that he didn't get more.  Monroe simply could not cover him without fouling. 

The only reason this game was even close was because we made a handful of WILD, CONTESTED three pointers.

Where's wasju to eat the crow burrell and I served him up?

It just comes down to coaching in this one.  We had advantages in this game. DJ showed very early that he could fly by his man with ease, but really didn't even attempt to do it after.  Burrell showed that he was too small and quick for the 6'11 Monroe and drew fouls or scored easily (4-4 I believe?) whenever he got the ball.  I feel between DJ slashing at Monroe and Burrell going at him, we could have put that kid on the bench for most of the game with foul trouble.

How many 1 on 1 opportunities did our guards deny JB of?  Why doesn't the coach call a T.O. and adjust?  It's like a football team not running the ball ever.  G'town looked to dump it in at least every other possession.

It just comes down to coaching in this one.  We had advantages in this game. DJ showed very early that he could fly by his man with ease, but really didn't even attempt to do it after.  Burrell showed that he was too small and quick for the 6'11 Monroe and drew fouls or scored easily (4-4 I believe?) whenever he got the ball.  I feel between DJ slashing at Monroe and Burrell going at him, we could have put that kid on the bench for most of the game with foul trouble.

How many 1 on 1 opportunities did our guards deny JB of?  Why doesn't the coach call a T.O. and adjust?  It's like a football team not running the ball ever.  G'town looked to dump it in at least every other possession.

  I happen to agree with everything you've said in this thread, except that the season is over.  But really,  did you expect Norm to learn how to coach all of a sudden this year? I'm suprised you got your hopes up so much knowing full well what Norm is capable of.
  Dj did not look good last night from what i saw.  Granted i was a bit distracted and missed some action. 

It just comes down to coaching in this one.  We had advantages in this game. DJ showed very early that he could fly by his man with ease, but really didn't even attempt to do it after.  Burrell showed that he was too small and quick for the 6'11 Monroe and drew fouls or scored easily (4-4 I believe?) whenever he got the ball.  I feel between DJ slashing at Monroe and Burrell going at him, we could have put that kid on the bench for most of the game with foul trouble.

How many 1 on 1 opportunities did our guards deny JB of?  Why doesn't the coach call a T.O. and adjust?  It's like a football team not running the ball ever.  G'town looked to dump it in at least every other possession.

EXACTLY RIGHT !......its not rocket science is it my brother..geeze my wife see's  just what you are saying. The offense should have run thru BURRELL when he was on the court......he would have scored 18 at least

Where's wasju to eat the crow burrell and I served him up?

Justin played well and hard, but as I predicted not well enough to be the difference in a win or a loss! If he keeps playing like that maybe Norm can have Evans come off the bench to bring a spark, some offense and stupidity. I think a team is generally better with stupidity playing less than 20 minutes! Since this team is playing much better , the Sean Evans experience needs to be scaled waaaaaay back! This is Norm' fault of course for allowing him to continue to do his end to end thing that has a 15% success rate! Big play that charge!

I have a lot to say about this one, but got to run out in a little.  Just watched the game.

1- Marillac, I disagree with you to some extent.  I think Norm didn't have a terrible coaching game.  I do agree that there's some training and lenience that needs improving... Evans' 2 1 on 2 moments were simply f'ing awful.

2- For those of you calling for Stith, watch again.  His dribble needs improvement and his D improved during the game, but I wouldn't trust him.  Then again, Boothe was Wright's prison wife for a little there, and we had no answer for him.  They needed to cover him better.  But Stith was hurting the team in the first half, in my opinion.  Made a nice pass out to Hardy from the post.

3- Related: what the eff is with the team's defensive awareness?  There were moments when guys did things that just made me frustrated (and this is why the Hoyas shot 51%) . Hardy starting?  He's gets caught in defensive no-man's lands repeatedly.  On breaks, he's on slippery skates.  And as the back line of the defense, he doesn't commit to either stopping the dribbler (and trying to get a charge) or gambling. Isn't the last man supposed to make the dribbler go through you to the hoop?  Boothe is better at that, even if he's wearing smuggled pumps and kool-aid lipstick.  (Yeah, I went there. Thank DMX for teaching me that about prison.)  Moreover, Brownlee... needs to box out. Evans needs to be more principled.

4- Related to Hardy: has anyone noticed that Horne's help defense... and ability to stay with his man... are overrated?  He also gets caught in no man's lands.  Also, how is it he NEVER draws a foul?  That's not his fault, not necessarily, but it's weird.  He tried to throw it on Monroe and got no call.  And last year, he didn't get to the foul line that much either.

5- Brownlee and Hardy sure took a lot of shots.  The team needed more Kennedy, creating.

6- On the plus sides: I love and hate Justin Burrell's game.  It was mostly excellent and well worth the 12 points Tha Kid predicted.  But I fear that like in other years, he'll have a nice early game and then disappear, by fault of both the team and himself.  But man, he was a force, drawing fouls, moving with and without the ball, finishing strong.
6a- I thought Coker - ticky tack fouls aside - wasn't bad.  Needs to hold on to the rebounds.
6b- Speaking of coaching, I always thought the people who were crying about the rotation were being kind of silly.
6c- Nice work winning the turnover battle.

7- Aaarggh. Speaking of coaching again, I hate following a team and cussing at the TV about numerous iffy plays.  They need to be better on defense, in defensive awareness.  This game was just about winnable.  And they didn't.  I suppose you can say they've come a long way, but I really think that defensive effort isn't gonna cut mustard.  And the free throw shooting (and getting to the damn line) is straight up woeful.  They need a crisper effort to beat Providence - some work driving to the rim.

Not the most disheartening opener... and really, a lot of what I thought I would see.

You are out of your mind! The team scred 59 points! Defense it not a problem! I am not sure what you are watching, but the problem we have is the same problem we always have had under Norm, team can't score! Boothe DOES NOTHING! He is not even really a point guard! And if youn want to talk about D, Wright killed him! Kennedy is the point guard and when Boothe plays he stands around unguarded! Hardy, Horne,Kennedy have to play as much as possible until Mason comes back!

I think we had the talent to win this game but the ineffective use of this talent by the coaching staff resulted in another loss.

New starting lineup:  Hardy, DJ, Burrell, Brownlee, Evans (with Coker and Rob Thomas getting time off the bench). 

Boothe, Horne and Evans have continued to disappoint this season but again I attribute this to poor coaching in failing to bring out their potential.  Horne and Booth added no value in this game.  Stith is not ready even to get minutes off the bench. The season is by no means over but the comeback of Mason begins to look more critical.

Looks like we still need substantial work on fast breaks, FT, and half court offense.  Moments of greatness but terribly inconsistent.

 

You are out of your mind! The team scred 59 points! Defense it not a problem! I am not sure what you are watching, but the problem we have is the same problem we always have had under Norm, team can't score! Boothe DOES NOTHING! He is not even really a point guard! And if youn want to talk about D, Wright killed him! Kennedy is the point guard and when Boothe plays he stands around unguarded! Hardy, Horne,Kennedy have to play as much as possible until Mason comes back!

Sigh.

Read this, please: http://www.theonlycolors.com/2009/11/10/1125313/tempo-free-stats-for-dummies

Understand that we gave up 1.1 points per possession.  The teams that have scored more per possession against St. John's: Duke. Cornell.

We could have won if Chris Wright didn't score 21 points on 11 shots. 

The fantasy land where St. John's, as currently constituted, is smoking teams on offense is a fantasy land - especially against a team like Georgetown - is a fantasy land.  Using the metric of points per possession, the Johnnies have the second best performance against the Hoyas this year.  If the team hit a few more shots, or got a few more free throw attempts (and hit them), this is an upset win.

Sigh.

Boothe played 16 minutes.  That's less than half the game.  Horne went 1-7 in 35 minutes. With that kind of performance, he needs to be a defensive whiz, and he's been better before.  Kennedy played 33.  Hardy played 27.

I don't know what you're complaining about.

Defense is a problem.  There's not enough scoring talent, even if you play Hardy 40 minutes, to hang with the higher scoring efficiency teams.  If someone else comes in to coach a better scoring offense, we can talk about more scoring.  YES, the squad needs to get better scoring opportunities (and get to the line more). Until then, this team needs to play crisp defense on every possession. Like the other teams in the conference who are worth a damn (except Notre Dame). This ain't the Pac-10.

Quote from: we are sju on January 01, 2010, 01:24:47 PM

You are out of your mind! The team scred 59 points! Defense it not a problem! I am not sure what you are watching, but the problem we have is the same problem we always have had under Norm, team can't score! Boothe DOES NOTHING! He is not even really a point guard! And if youn want to talk about D, Wright killed him! Kennedy is the point guard and when Boothe plays he stands around unguarded! Hardy, Horne,Kennedy have to play as much as possible until Mason comes back!

Sigh.

Read this, please: http://www.theonlycolors.com/2009/11/10/1125313/tempo-free-stats-for-dummies

Understand that we gave up 1.1 points per possession.  The teams that have scored more per possession against St. John's: Duke. Cornell.

We could have won if Chris Wright didn't score 21 points on 11 shots. 

The fantasy land where St. John's, as currently constituted, is smoking teams on offense is a fantasy land - especially against a team like Georgetown - is a fantasy land.  Using the metric of points per possession, the Johnnies have the second best performance against the Hoyas this year.  If the team hit a few more shots, or got a few more free throw attempts (and hit them), this is an upset win.

Sigh.

Boothe played 16 minutes.  That's less than half the game.  Horne went 1-7 in 35 minutes. With that kind of performance, he needs to be a defensive whiz, and he's been better before.  Kennedy played 33.  Hardy played 27.

I don't know what you're complaining about.

Defense is a problem.  There's not enough scoring talent, even if you play Hardy 40 minutes, to hang with the higher scoring efficiency teams.  If someone else comes in to coach a better scoring offense, we can talk about more scoring.  YES, the squad needs to get better scoring opportunities (and get to the line more). Until then, this team needs to play crisp defense on every possession. Like the other teams in the conference who are worth a damn (except Notre Dame). This ain't the Pac-10.

Why do we even have to turn to an obscure stat?  We lost this game b/c it was a layup contest for G'town--the team acted like they were shocked G'town would keep trying backdooors and give-and-go's.  Not sure why, because we had eight days to prepare and just played Cornell.

Dele needed to play more.  We failed to take advantage of matchups offensively.  Just a piss poor coaching job.

Quote from: peter on January 01, 2010, 03:35:05 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 01, 2010, 01:24:47 PM

You are out of your mind! The team scred 59 points! Defense it not a problem! I am not sure what you are watching, but the problem we have is the same problem we always have had under Norm, team can't score! Boothe DOES NOTHING! He is not even really a point guard! And if youn want to talk about D, Wright killed him! Kennedy is the point guard and when Boothe plays he stands around unguarded! Hardy, Horne,Kennedy have to play as much as possible until Mason comes back!

Sigh.

Read this, please: http://www.theonlycolors.com/2009/11/10/1125313/tempo-free-stats-for-dummies

Understand that we gave up 1.1 points per possession.  The teams that have scored more per possession against St. John's: Duke. Cornell.

We could have won if Chris Wright didn't score 21 points on 11 shots. 

The fantasy land where St. John's, as currently constituted, is smoking teams on offense is a fantasy land - especially against a team like Georgetown - is a fantasy land.  Using the metric of points per possession, the Johnnies have the second best performance against the Hoyas this year.  If the team hit a few more shots, or got a few more free throw attempts (and hit them), this is an upset win.

Sigh.

Boothe played 16 minutes.  That's less than half the game.  Horne went 1-7 in 35 minutes. With that kind of performance, he needs to be a defensive whiz, and he's been better before.  Kennedy played 33.  Hardy played 27.

I don't know what you're complaining about.

Defense is a problem.  There's not enough scoring talent, even if you play Hardy 40 minutes, to hang with the higher scoring efficiency teams.  If someone else comes in to coach a better scoring offense, we can talk about more scoring.  YES, the squad needs to get better scoring opportunities (and get to the line more). Until then, this team needs to play crisp defense on every possession. Like the other teams in the conference who are worth a damn (except Notre Dame). This ain't the Pac-10.

Why do we even have to turn to an obscure stat?  We lost this game b/c it was a layup contest for G'town--the team acted like they were shocked G'town would keep trying backdooors and give-and-go's.  Not sure why, because we had eight days to prepare and just played Cornell.

Dele needed to play more.  We failed to take advantage of matchups offensively.  Just a piss poor coaching job.

I don't think points per possession is an obscure stat.

Who would you have played Dele over? Personally I couldn't justify more minutes for Dele.

I don't have issue with the minute distribution but the lineup combos and the way we use different players in those lineups. Mostly where was DJ's looks? We need the ball in his hands to be a playmaker. Even if DJ goes to the hole and misses then thats where Brownlee/Evans comes in to clean up. We need to realize we're a better team going to the basket.

Quote from: Marillac on January 01, 2010, 04:21:11 PM

Quote from: peter on January 01, 2010, 03:35:05 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 01, 2010, 01:24:47 PM

You are out of your mind! The team scred 59 points! Defense it not a problem! I am not sure what you are watching, but the problem we have is the same problem we always have had under Norm, team can't score! Boothe DOES NOTHING! He is not even really a point guard! And if youn want to talk about D, Wright killed him! Kennedy is the point guard and when Boothe plays he stands around unguarded! Hardy, Horne,Kennedy have to play as much as possible until Mason comes back!

Sigh.

Read this, please: http://www.theonlycolors.com/2009/11/10/1125313/tempo-free-stats-for-dummies

Understand that we gave up 1.1 points per possession.  The teams that have scored more per possession against St. John's: Duke. Cornell.

We could have won if Chris Wright didn't score 21 points on 11 shots. 

The fantasy land where St. John's, as currently constituted, is smoking teams on offense is a fantasy land - especially against a team like Georgetown - is a fantasy land.  Using the metric of points per possession, the Johnnies have the second best performance against the Hoyas this year.  If the team hit a few more shots, or got a few more free throw attempts (and hit them), this is an upset win.

Sigh.

Boothe played 16 minutes.  That's less than half the game.  Horne went 1-7 in 35 minutes. With that kind of performance, he needs to be a defensive whiz, and he's been better before.  Kennedy played 33.  Hardy played 27.

I don't know what you're complaining about.

Defense is a problem.  There's not enough scoring talent, even if you play Hardy 40 minutes, to hang with the higher scoring efficiency teams.  If someone else comes in to coach a better scoring offense, we can talk about more scoring.  YES, the squad needs to get better scoring opportunities (and get to the line more). Until then, this team needs to play crisp defense on every possession. Like the other teams in the conference who are worth a damn (except Notre Dame). This ain't the Pac-10.

Why do we even have to turn to an obscure stat?  We lost this game b/c it was a layup contest for G'town--the team acted like they were shocked G'town would keep trying backdooors and give-and-go's.  Not sure why, because we had eight days to prepare and just played Cornell.

Dele needed to play more.  We failed to take advantage of matchups offensively.  Just a piss poor coaching job.

I don't think points per possession is an obscure stat.

Who would you have played Dele over? Personally I couldn't justify more minutes for Dele.

I don't have issue with the minute distribution but the lineup combos and the way we use different players in those lineups. Mostly where was DJ's looks? We need the ball in his hands to be a playmaker. Even if DJ goes to the hole and misses then thats where Brownlee/Evans comes in to clean up. We need to realize we're a better team going to the basket.

Sean Evans.  Dele would have blocked some of the wide open layups G'town put through. 

Sean Evans is a mess right now.  He needs to get his head on straight.

9 pts (4-7 shooting) and 9reb in 22 min....whats crooked?

Why do we even have to turn to an obscure stat? 

Not obscure - even ESPN uses it. And sometimes I have to talk slow when arguing... it's to make the point that some people look at the points a team scores when they need to understand that just because VMI or Seton Hall puts up 100, it doesn't mean they're better at scoring than slow Georgetown.

It never feels good to loose, but I am surprised that people are being so hard a Roberts. The guy can only coach the player need to perform. Our team was prepared to play last they just did not execute at times.

I think we can all agree that when Evans was dribbling the ball down the court everyone including Coach Roberts was like please pass the ball to a guard. It was a very key possesin no question.

For me it just seem that we were climbing a hill all night to get the lead. When we got the lead the team missed point range shots that would have extended a 1 point lead to 3 or 4. Once GTown had a quick run to extend their lead to 4 again it took a lot out of team.

I was really impressed with Burrell play and that is a key positive that we can take from this game. Everytime he touched the ball in the post something good happen.

It is only one game in our Big East season and I am not happy we lost, but we played a tough competive game against the 13 ranked team in the nation. Last year on the road this types of game was a blowout.

Providence game becomes a very big game. We neend to win to keep our buzz