Big Men Non Development

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paultzman

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Big Men Non Development
« on: January 10, 2010, 09:48:11 AM »
Hopefully this is a moot point and we have a new coaching staff next season. However, looking at Burrell and Coker, it is a shame. The staff;

Has not developed either player one iota.

Fails to integrate them into a game based on circumstance. Like others, they are subbed based on time, not game situations, i.e. making it difficult for Samuels, etc., or getting an interior stop.

Does not develop offensive options to include baseline jumpers for Burrell to open things up, high posting against zones and allowing Dele to feel confident about short jumpers to keep folks honest.

Why wouldn't Dele consider going home to Siena or playing at a Marist program to at least recover some degree of confidence and position himself for foreign bball opportunities. Perhaps ditto for JB.

Lastly, I spoke to a college assistant coach friend of mine who categorized both players as solid after learning the ropes and maturing their first two years. What bigs has Glenn B. developed. Frankly my friend smiled when asked about that. I feel extremely sorry for Dele and JB. To see their aspirations so badly effected due to coaching ineptitude and negligence is shameful.

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Re: Big Men Non Development
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2010, 09:57:23 AM »
Good point, but I take issue with Dele's development.  His defense has improved, his low post moves now actually exist, and he's become a better shot blocker.  Why he isn't good enough on defense after 3 years to stay on the floor for 20 minutes, now that's on the staff.  Why he never sees the ball in the post (and fumbled it when he did last year), that's on the staff.

And Justin... many others will chime in to this post, so I won't comment.

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2010, 10:43:07 AM »
Knowing one's role is a key part of development and gaining confidence. Putting players in a position to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses are basics in coaching. No need to go on about the current staff's attention to those areas.

Just take one look at JB's and Dele's recent body language. Looking lost, tentative, unconfident and resigned to minor roles in the offense is quite obvious. Solid coaches in those circumstances nurture, structure game plans to promote opportunity and get folks back on track. These are two kids with good attitudes and decent abilities. We are paying staff to figure it out, not neglect the situation.

My coaching friends by the way feel Dele could really be a force in short spurts, providing help defense blocks. Saw examples of this earlier in Siena and Temple games, but this role can't be accomplished sitting next to the water cooler.

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Re: Big Men Non Development
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2010, 12:45:41 PM »
Knowing one's role is a key part of development and gaining confidence. Putting players in a position to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses are basics in coaching. No need to go on about the current staff's attention to those areas.

Just take one look at JB's and Dele's recent body language. Looking lost, tentative, unconfident and resigned to minor roles in the offense is quite obvious. Solid coaches in those circumstances nurture, structure game plans to promote opportunity and get folks back on track. These are two kids with good attitudes and decent abilities. We are paying staff to figure it out, not neglect the situation.

My coaching friends by the way feel Dele could really be a force in short spurts, providing help defense blocks. Saw examples of this earlier in Siena and Temple games, but this role can't be accomplished sitting next to the water cooler.

Well said my friend.....You simply must keep your BIG MEN fed and well nourished.......or they will have failure to thrive.  Everybody that knows hoops know that. This ring around the maypole perimeter nonsense......."let me get mine's."....there are no polite words.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2010, 01:52:53 PM »
They have to get JB involved early in the game. When big men dont get early touches they seem to fade away. For example, take last season Binghamton team. By the end of the season, they were rolling. They played a four guard lineup with just a "center", Reggie fuller. The team was extremely guard based, but needed that defenseive presence inside. Every single game was started with the same play. They would dump it inside and let Fuller go to work. Most times it was succesful and you would have an energized and interersed low post presence. (I know this is an out of know where example for most, but i followed them closely last year, things havent gone as well this time around as most people know.) I think STJ needs to go to burell early to get him going and keep him intersted. 
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Re: Big Men Non Development
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2010, 02:11:50 PM »
They have to get JB involved early in the game. When big men dont get early touches they seem to fade away. For example, take last season Binghamton team. By the end of the season, they were rolling. They played a four guard lineup with just a "center", Reggie fuller. The team was extremely guard based, but needed that defenseive presence inside. Every single game was started with the same play. They would dump it inside and let Fuller go to work. Most times it was succesful and you would have an energized and interersed low post presence. (I know this is an out of know where example for most, but i followed them closely last year, things havent gone as well this time around as most people know.) I think STJ needs to go to burell early to get him going and keep him intersted.

YES indeed.....early and often throughout the game. I think Justin would cause   major foul trouble for sure on other teams cause he gets great position and seals defenders very well. They would  just have to foul him. That would be smart basketball.......can't we go to that style.

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Re: Big Men Non Development
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2010, 02:17:54 PM »
The big men are great every 7 or 8 plays or so.
The rest of the time, they're picking flowers on defense and unable to finish on offense.

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2010, 03:55:04 PM »
The big men are great every 7 or 8 plays or so.
The rest of the time, they're picking flowers on defense and unable to finish on offense.

They have no offense to finish without the ball......they don't even get the ball every 8 plays.......don't understand your comment

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2010, 04:02:30 PM »
Xhoops, I don't care if they get the ball.
Grab an offensive rebound. Show some fire.

They just stand around like Mahoney's players did.

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Re: Big Men Non Development
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2010, 05:54:27 PM »
Xhoops, I don't care if they get the ball.
Grab an offensive rebound. Show some fire.

They just stand around like Mahoney's players did.

That's exactly the whole problem. Nobody cares if they get the ball. Instead its that   meaningless dribbling and passing around the perimeter. Pass it towards  basket...its not a difficult concept for other teams....JUST DO IT ! as NIKE said so famously. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2010, 07:05:25 PM »
I second xhoops. If you give the bigs the ball they in turn will show that fire and want to grab those offensive and defensive boards.