Duke Lacrosse

We wouldn't have had the money, influence nor the juice to get the kid's off as they did with the Puke lax team. 

Are you nuts?  Those Duke kids "got off" MUCH MUCH MUCH later.  Their names were not cleared for what probably seemed like forever to them.  What money or influence?  That HURT them.  If they were street kids from durham, the DA would never have decided to screw the fact that the police thought the stripper was out of her mind and prosecute to get himself re-elected.  They were ONLY prosecuted, unjustly, due to the "money and influence."


You sure dont have a f'in clue.

Ultimately the truth would have gotten out, but it would have taken longer and cause even greater damage.

In the real world, the truth doesn't always get out. 

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2010, 01:51:57 PM

We wouldn't have had the money, influence nor the juice to get the kid's off as they did with the Puke lax team. 

Are you nuts?  Those Duke kids "got off" MUCH MUCH MUCH later.  Their names were not cleared for what probably seemed like forever to them.  What money or influence?  That HURT them.  If they were street kids from durham, the DA would never have decided to screw the fact that the police thought the stripper was out of her mind and prosecute to get himself re-elected.  They were ONLY prosecuted, unjustly, due to the "money and influence."


You sure dont have a f'in clue.

In my humble opinion,  wealthy, surburban, white kids from Garden City with influential attourneys as parents have a better chance of being acquitted of crimes than inner city black youths of meager means defended by court appointed lawyers.

Call me crazy.

I've made no comment on specifics of the Puke lax case, guilt or innocence, nor given my opinion on whether justice was served or not in any way.

Your loyalty for your alma mater and hard on for Puke basketball has caused you to respond in this way.

This is a SJU basketball forum.  We hate Puke.

Quote from: Tha Kid on January 28, 2010, 02:57:57 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2010, 01:51:57 PM

We wouldn't have had the money, influence nor the juice to get the kid's off as they did with the Puke lax team. 

Are you nuts?  Those Duke kids "got off" MUCH MUCH MUCH later.  Their names were not cleared for what probably seemed like forever to them.  What money or influence?  That HURT them.  If they were street kids from durham, the DA would never have decided to screw the fact that the police thought the stripper was out of her mind and prosecute to get himself re-elected.  They were ONLY prosecuted, unjustly, due to the "money and influence."


You sure dont have a f'in clue.

In my humble opinion,  wealthy, surburban, white kids from Garden City with influential attourneys as parents have a better chance of being acquitted of crimes than inner city black youths of meager means defended by court appointed lawyers.

Call me crazy.

I've made no comment on specifics of the Puke lax case, guilt or innocence, nor given my opinion on whether justice was served or not in any way.

Your loyalty for your alma mater and hard on for Puke basketball has caused you to respond in this way.

This is a SJU basketball forum.  We hate Puke.

Carmine

Who was in jail longer?  Whho was in the papers every day for months and months?  Who was subjected to a totally improper lineup?  Who was subjected to a corrupt politician using the differences between blacks and whites, wealth and poverty, in a town where the town and college clashed, as a sword to wield against kids unfairly?  Who was bashed by their school professors, the media, and others...despite the police thinking a stripper's accusations were crazy?

The answer to all of these is....the Duke boys.

Normally you may be right, but the DA Nifong utilized his constituents distaaste for the wealthy, sometimes arrogant duke student body as a way to condemn these kids unfairly and get themselves reelected.

You mentiuon Duke as a comparison, and act like the st johns kids were hurt more.  How?

You can't bring this issue up and then not comment/.  Do you know all of the facts about the duke case?  Do you know anything?

This was a classic case of corrupt prosecution....and their wealthy lawyers couldn't get them out of it.  According to you that ish doesn't happen to wealthy kids.  Were the st johns kids prosecuted for their involvement with a hooker?  Please let me know how the wealth of these duke students who were wrongfully accused and slandered HELPED them moreso than if this had been your average poor durhamite.  Their wealth is what got them arrested, prosecuted, and wrongfully prosecuted in this case.  Perhaps its usually the other way around, but this time it was not.

The Duke Lax and SJU thugs were both guilty of being disgusting.
Nothing more.

At St.John's you have a religious fanatic running the school,
so he acted accordingly.

At Duke, you're talking about one of the top 20 schools in the nation.
They might have been harsh at first, but they cleared their names,
and moved on.

Kid,

The man has no idea what he is talking about. Treat him like a homeless guy babbling in the streets. If you come across anyone who wants to know what went on, give them Until Proven Innocent:Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case .

 http://www.amazon.com/Until-Proven-Innocent-Correctness-Injustices/dp/0312369123

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2010, 03:16:22 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on January 28, 2010, 02:57:57 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2010, 01:51:57 PM

We wouldn't have had the money, influence nor the juice to get the kid's off as they did with the Puke lax team. 

Are you nuts?  Those Duke kids "got off" MUCH MUCH MUCH later.  Their names were not cleared for what probably seemed like forever to them.  What money or influence?  That HURT them.  If they were street kids from durham, the DA would never have decided to screw the fact that the police thought the stripper was out of her mind and prosecute to get himself re-elected.  They were ONLY prosecuted, unjustly, due to the "money and influence."


You sure dont have a f'in clue.

In my humble opinion,  wealthy, surburban, white kids from Garden City with influential attourneys as parents have a better chance of being acquitted of crimes than inner city black youths of meager means defended by court appointed lawyers.

Call me crazy.

I've made no comment on specifics of the Puke lax case, guilt or innocence, nor given my opinion on whether justice was served or not in any way.

Your loyalty for your alma mater and hard on for Puke basketball has caused you to respond in this way.

This is a SJU basketball forum.  We hate Puke.

Carmine

Who was in jail longer?  Whho was in the papers every day for months and months?  Who was subjected to a totally improper lineup?  Who was subjected to a corrupt politician using the differences between blacks and whites, wealth and poverty, in a town where the town and college clashed, as a sword to wield against kids unfairly?  Who was bashed by their school professors, the media, and others...despite the police thinking a stripper's accusations were crazy?

The answer to all of these is....the Duke boys.

Normally you may be right, but the DA Nifong utilized his constituents distaaste for the wealthy, sometimes arrogant duke student body as a way to condemn these kids unfairly and get themselves reelected.

You mentiuon Duke as a comparison, and act like the st johns kids were hurt more.  How?

You can't bring this issue up and then not comment/.  Do you know all of the facts about the duke case?  Do you know anything?

This was a classic case of corrupt prosecution....and their wealthy lawyers couldn't get them out of it.  According to you that ish doesn't happen to wealthy kids.  Were the st johns kids prosecuted for their involvement with a hooker?  Please let me know how the wealth of these duke students who were wrongfully accused and slandered HELPED them moreso than if this had been your average poor durhamite.  Their wealth is what got them arrested, prosecuted, and wrongfully prosecuted in this case.  Perhaps its usually the other way around, but this time it was not.

It appears that you have followed the Puke lax case far more closely than I and know more about it than I.  It also appears that you are quite passionate in your belief that their was some amount of wrong doing against the lax team and it's players and are for some reason are upset by it.

I only used the Puke lax case as an example as it was the only collegiate athletic team I could think of off the top of my head that was originally accused (perhaps only media accused) of rape other than us.

I standby my statements, well known by all, that class and race often play a vital role in our criminal justice system.

Quote from: Tha Kid on January 28, 2010, 04:01:08 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2010, 03:16:22 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on January 28, 2010, 02:57:57 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2010, 01:51:57 PM

We wouldn't have had the money, influence nor the juice to get the kid's off as they did with the Puke lax team. 

Are you nuts?  Those Duke kids "got off" MUCH MUCH MUCH later.  Their names were not cleared for what probably seemed like forever to them.  What money or influence?  That HURT them.  If they were street kids from durham, the DA would never have decided to screw the fact that the police thought the stripper was out of her mind and prosecute to get himself re-elected.  They were ONLY prosecuted, unjustly, due to the "money and influence."


You sure dont have a f'in clue.

In my humble opinion,  wealthy, surburban, white kids from Garden City with influential attourneys as parents have a better chance of being acquitted of crimes than inner city black youths of meager means defended by court appointed lawyers.

Call me crazy.

I've made no comment on specifics of the Puke lax case, guilt or innocence, nor given my opinion on whether justice was served or not in any way.

Your loyalty for your alma mater and hard on for Puke basketball has caused you to respond in this way.

This is a SJU basketball forum.  We hate Puke.

Carmine

Who was in jail longer?  Whho was in the papers every day for months and months?  Who was subjected to a totally improper lineup?  Who was subjected to a corrupt politician using the differences between blacks and whites, wealth and poverty, in a town where the town and college clashed, as a sword to wield against kids unfairly?  Who was bashed by their school professors, the media, and others...despite the police thinking a stripper's accusations were crazy?

The answer to all of these is....the Duke boys.

Normally you may be right, but the DA Nifong utilized his constituents distaaste for the wealthy, sometimes arrogant duke student body as a way to condemn these kids unfairly and get themselves reelected.

You mentiuon Duke as a comparison, and act like the st johns kids were hurt more.  How?

You can't bring this issue up and then not comment/.  Do you know all of the facts about the duke case?  Do you know anything?

This was a classic case of corrupt prosecution....and their wealthy lawyers couldn't get them out of it.  According to you that ish doesn't happen to wealthy kids.  Were the st johns kids prosecuted for their involvement with a hooker?  Please let me know how the wealth of these duke students who were wrongfully accused and slandered HELPED them moreso than if this had been your average poor durhamite.  Their wealth is what got them arrested, prosecuted, and wrongfully prosecuted in this case.  Perhaps its usually the other way around, but this time it was not.

It appears that you have followed the Puke lax case far more closely than I and know more about it than I.  It also appears that you are quite passionate in your belief that their was some amount of wrong doing against the lax team and it's players and are for some reason are upset by it.

I only used the Puke lax case as an example as it was the only collegiate athletic team I could think of off the top of my head that was originally accused (perhaps only media accused) of rape other than us.

I standby my statements, well known by all, that class and race often play a vital role in our criminal justice system.

I suggest you look up a few articles on the Duke lax case since your lack of knowledge about it is startling.

Class and race did play a role this time too.  It hurt the Duke boys that they were white and came from wealthy families this time.

While this outcome is probably more rare than the reverse, its a major error on your part to use this.  I find it hilarious that you say "It also appears that you are quite passionate in your belief that their was some amount of wrong doing against the lax team and it's players and are for some reason are upset by it. "

The DA was disbarred for his prosecution of the duke lacrosse players!  The photographic "lineup" used for the accusor to look through was comprised of ONLY Duke lacrosse players, and REMOVED all non-white Duke lacrosse players from the lineup.  One of the boys had ATM and Duke card/dorm entry statements giving him an alibi yet he was still arrested.  If that's not wrong I don't know what is.  There are plenty of good articles to read, but howabout you just peruse the wikipedia entry to gain at least some knowledge about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Duke_University_lacrosse_case

I suggest you look up a few articles on the Duke lax case

I'll pass on your suggestion since I have no interest at all in this case.
 

your lack of knowledge about it is startling.

What is so startling about it?  300 million other Americans suffer from the same lack of knowledge of this case as me and are still carrying on with their lives just fine.

Class and race did play a role this time too.  It hurt the Duke boys that they were white and came from wealthy families this time.

If this is so than we have an unprecedented first in American history.

Quote from: Tha Kid on January 29, 2010, 01:55:23 PM

I suggest you look up a few articles on the Duke lax case

I'll pass on your suggestion since I have no interest at all in this case.
 

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your lack of knowledge about it is startling.

What is so startling about it?  300 million other Americans suffer from the same lack of knowledge of this case as me and are still carrying on with their lives just fine.

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Class and race did play a role this time too.  It hurt the Duke boys that they were white and came from wealthy families this time.

If this is so than we have an unprecedented first in American history.

How is it a first? The case became a media sensation because everyone is so quick to jump on overprivileged white teenagers.  Do you really think they were the first to be discriminated against?

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 29, 2010, 03:37:38 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on January 29, 2010, 01:55:23 PM

I suggest you look up a few articles on the Duke lax case

I'll pass on your suggestion since I have no interest at all in this case.
 

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your lack of knowledge about it is startling.

What is so startling about it?  300 million other Americans suffer from the same lack of knowledge of this case as me and are still carrying on with their lives just fine.

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Class and race did play a role this time too.  It hurt the Duke boys that they were white and came from wealthy families this time.

If this is so than we have an unprecedented first in American history.

How is it a first? The case became a media sensation because everyone is so quick to jump on overprivileged white teenagers.  Do you really think they were the first to be discriminated against?

Wait a minute.  I'm getting confused here.  Are you guys telling me that wealth and white skin actually works against you in the US criminal justice system?  In all honesty, I've really never even heard anyone suggest that before.

Oh yeah, the topic.  We stink and I'm not exactly sure why.

Quote from: Marillac on January 29, 2010, 03:53:57 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 29, 2010, 03:37:38 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on January 29, 2010, 01:55:23 PM

I suggest you look up a few articles on the Duke lax case

I'll pass on your suggestion since I have no interest at all in this case.
 

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your lack of knowledge about it is startling.

What is so startling about it?  300 million other Americans suffer from the same lack of knowledge of this case as me and are still carrying on with their lives just fine.

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Class and race did play a role this time too.  It hurt the Duke boys that they were white and came from wealthy families this time.

If this is so than we have an unprecedented first in American history.

How is it a first? The case became a media sensation because everyone is so quick to jump on overprivileged white teenagers.  Do you really think they were the first to be discriminated against?

Wait a minute.  I'm getting confused here.  Are you guys telling me that wealth and white skin actually works against you in the US criminal justice system?  In all honesty, I've really never even heard anyone suggest that before.

Oh yeah, the topic.  We stink and I'm not exactly sure why.

What's most baffling is you run your mouth like you know something about the Duke case, and then say you don't give a damn about it, all the while suggesting that it probably isn't true what I'm saying because you've never heard of it happening before. 

Wake up the wrong side of the bed or just deciding to be entirely illogical and irrational about this?