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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2010, 07:19:48 PM »

 Hypothetically speaking,  If your a fan of an NBA team that needs to lose the last game of the reg. season to get the number 1 pick. Are you not a fan if you root against them?

Sure thing #1 pick if we lose, I root for loss.  If loss equals missing playoffs and going into lottery, I root for win.  If we're already out and loss means one extra ping pong ball, I root for win.

Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2010, 12:02:26 AM »
Hey Baldi, you, me and rshf are the only ones still rooting for wins.  How sad!

yo man, im still rooting for wins. im not happy with norms coaching, but ill take a win anyday.

Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2010, 12:32:51 AM »
I've been rooting for the team to win every game.  I think more root for the team than you give credit for...
You're right Theo, thank goodness there's more than 1-2 additional fans who still support the TEAM and root for this TEAM to win. I guess I read so much negative nonsense that I start to think that everyone is against this TEAM.

And Boo3, if your team is in that situation I don't think you have to root against them, they are tanking the game regardless of your support. That would boil down to a smart business decision made by professional businessmen.

I know you said in a hypothetical situation, but just to be clear, you can't draw ANY similarities between the automatic award of the first round draft pick, and the ever-so-slight chance that we get a new coach. That's where I think a large percentage of posters on these sites are delusional.


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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2010, 09:02:33 AM »
I think a large percentage of posters on these sites are delusional.

You think they're delusional now. But next year when head coach Bobby Knight and his assistants Billy Donovan and Rick Pitino lead this once proud program to a national championship while recruiting a class of nine 5-star recruits, well, let's just say you'll be singing a different tune.

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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2010, 09:23:39 AM »
  Fair enough RSHF.  I was trying to find a situation where you could still be considered a "fan" and root for you team to lose.
   Is there any expectations that you, RSHF, think should be met by the men's basketball program this year?
   Do you think Norm Roberts has been a positive for the school in his six years as men's head basketball coach?

 I'm asking because i want to know your opinion. Not trying to antagonize here.  I respect your loyalty to the school, as blind as it may be.  If i was an ex-student or alumni i very well may feel the same way, but i'm not.  I just care about the hoops team being good on the court.

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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2010, 09:41:44 AM »
Hey Baldi, you, me and rshf are the only ones still rooting for wins.  How sad!
There may be 1-2 others, but you are correct that it's a very exclusive club.
The day I root for any team that I follow to lose, that's the day I stop following that team.

Contrary to many poster's misguided reasoning, you can't be a fan of a team and wish they lose. It's simply not logical.

Congrats to the team for a nice road win!

You have to understand, the guys who root for the team to lose, are doing so bc they believe it will help us in the long run.  The reasoning is FLAWED bc there is no guarantee Norm is fired with any amt. of losses. However, don't tell me the guys rooting for the team to lose NOW for the first time ever (im not talkin about the realfan types who have rooted for the team to lose since day 1) are not fans.  Norm has been here 6 years and will never even make a NIT.  They are disenchanted, and believe that enough losses this year = no norm.  They are ROOTING for st johns long terrm success, even though what they are rooting for is nothing more than a mere potential contingency.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2010, 09:43:13 AM by Tha Kid »
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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2010, 03:41:37 PM »
I think a large percentage of posters on these sites are delusional.

You think they're delusional now. But next year when head coach Bobby Knight and his assistants Billy Donovan and Rick Pitino lead this once proud program to a national championship while recruiting a class of nine 5-star recruits, well, let's just say you'll be singing a different tune.

talk about delusional.....

Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2010, 03:48:34 PM »
ive already come to grips with the fact that norm will be here next year. [although i would love to be wrong]
i can only imagine what kind of recruiting class he will have when he has to replace all those scholarships next year.

Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2010, 04:04:23 PM »
I really think that, barring an NIT bid, Norm is gone.  I still root for a turnaround but...

Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2010, 07:20:56 PM »
and win 3 out of the last 4, make it to the Big East tourny semi finals and have a chance at the NCAA's. HAAAAAHAAAAAAAA. You guys are phucked

If the team makes a miracle run these next few games and through the Big East Tourny, Norm should be back.

I said at the beginning of the season that if the team made the tourny, Norm's earned another year.  I stick to that. 
"When excuses become your reason for losing then it is time to find the nearest mirror." -Mike Dunlap

Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2010, 08:46:04 PM »

I just can't bring myself to root for losses.
Nor can I.


Same here. And sometimes I get criticized for not being a fan, yet some are rooting for loses? ::)

I am with you guys. Could never route against these kids.

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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2010, 09:03:59 PM »
Baldi, you are hysterical.  At best we finish 2-2...and even that would be semi-miraculous.  I think we
are looking at 1-3--which would put us at 16-14, with a probable loss coming in the BET.

Everyone is losing sight of why G'town made the NCAA's last year.  They were ranked in the top 10 at one point in the season.  They had a few quality wins, and RPI of 58 and SOS of 4 and our league was INSANE last year.  They also are G'town and had just come off of two impressive NCAA runs.  This year, STJ has so many teams above them that will not qualify for the NCAA's and will be picked for the NIT above STJ.

We are currently 11th in the conference in RPI with Marquette one below us--a loss there would shut the door on the NIT completlely.

Louisville, UConn, Cincy, and SF are ahead of us in the RPI and all are unlikely to make the tournament except maybe L'ville at this point.  I still don't think G'town is an auotomatic lock for the NCAA's either at 18-9 and a tough schedule remaining.  I think they need two wins, which could be very tough. 

SH will almost certainly finish above us.  They have the tie-breaker on us and they have two games against Rutgers left. 

A loss to Marquette and our hopes are DONE.  We don't matchup well with them. 

« Last Edit: February 21, 2010, 09:23:08 PM by Marillac »

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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2010, 09:19:22 PM »
32 Teams make the NIT.  Regular season champs that don't win the conference tournaments
automatically in.  That reduces the field to about 26. 

Oklahoma St.  7-5 19-7 
Texas Tech  4-8 16-10 
Illinois  9-5 17-10 
Minnesota  7-7 16-10 
Northwestern  6-8 17-9 
Florida St.  7-5 19-7 
Georgia Tech  6-7 18-9 
Virginia  5-7 14-11
Miami (FL)  3-9 17-9 
North Carolina  3-9 14-13 
Marquette  7-6 16-9 
Cincinnati  6-7 15-10 
Notre Dame  6-8 17-10 
South Florida  6-8 16-10 
Seton Hall  6-8 15-10 
Connecticut  6-8 16-11

Xavier  10-2 19-7 
Saint Louis  8-3 17-8 
Charlotte  8-4 18-8 
Dayton  7-4 18-7 
Rhode Island  8-5 20-6 
USC  8-6 16-10 
Arizona  7-6 13-12 
Washington  8-7 18-9

That is about 24 teams right there that already have or will proably have 16 or more wins and
are on the bubble.  Proaby 5-6 make the tournament from this list and probably 5-6 I didn't include
from major conferences don't make the big dance.

This list doesn't include a bunch of teams from lower conferences that already have 20+ that
probably won't win the conference tournament or the regular season conference championship.










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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2010, 09:21:07 PM »
A loss will pretty much knock us out of the NIT. But a win will put us in good position. If we get 2 wins and the 10 seed. 17 wins- which I think would have us playing Depaul 1st BET. That's 18 wins. Setting up a second round game that we could win- playing I think the 7 seed. Possibly 19 wins. I wouldn't be shocked if we get beat by 40 on Wednesday. I also wouldn't be shocked if we win Wednesday and go to NIT.
I googled NIT Bubble and I found a site predicting NIT teams. Not sure who runs the site but as of 2/11 we were one of the last 4 teams they picked to reach NIT. We got an 8 seed. UCONN and Cincinnati were 1s.


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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2010, 09:48:17 PM »
A loss will pretty much knock us out of the NIT. But a win will put us in good position. If we get 2 wins and the 10 seed. 17 wins- which I think would have us playing Depaul 1st BET. That's 18 wins. Setting up a second round game that we could win- playing I think the 7 seed. Possibly 19 wins. I wouldn't be shocked if we get beat by 40 on Wednesday. I also wouldn't be shocked if we win Wednesday and go to NIT.
I googled NIT Bubble and I found a site predicting NIT teams. Not sure who runs the site but as of 2/11 we were one of the last 4 teams they picked to reach NIT. We got an 8 seed. UCONN and Cincinnati were 1s.

I agree with almost everything you wrote, except Depaul will play the nine seed.  STJ seems destined for the 12 v. 13 matchup regardless of if they win one or two games. 

Right now STJ is #13 and won't be catching SH or Uconn.  They could catch ND, USF, or Cincy, though.  They would need at least two wins to get to Cincy, who will most certainly win its home game v. Depaul next but has three ranked opponents after that. 

Essentially, one win almost guarantees us the #13 seed...two wins and we might be able to move up to #12--with our most likely opponent being USF.  If we could somehow pull off the 11 seed, it might not even benefit us too much.  We would most likely play Providence...a change at playing RU.  We lost to both teams already.

Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2010, 10:46:51 PM »
You think they're delusional now. But next year when head coach Bobby Knight and his assistants Billy Donovan and Rick Pitino lead this once proud program to a national championship while recruiting a class of nine 5-star recruits, well, let's just say you'll be singing a different tune.
Singing a different tune Fun?
When this actually happens, I’ll sing the National Anthem at MSG for a sold out game against Seton Hall, wearing a Weasels shirt! It may not be pretty, but I’ll do it!


You have to understand, the guys who root for the team to lose, are doing so bc they believe it will help us in the long run.  The reasoning is FLAWED bc there is no guarantee Norm is fired with any amt. of losses. However, don't tell me the guys rooting for the team to lose NOW for the first time ever (im not talkin about the realfan types who have rooted for the team to lose since day 1) are not fans.  Norm has been here 6 years and will never even make a NIT.  They are disenchanted, and believe that enough losses this year = no norm.  They are ROOTING for st johns long terrm success, even though what they are rooting for is nothing more than a mere potential contingency.
I love when the opposition make my arguments for me, saves me the time and trouble!
Go back up to your quote above and look at all the underlined words and phrases.

Tha Kid, you and I have discussed this previously. I fully understand the FRUSTRATION that the long time fans (and new ones too) have experienced, but the fact remains that no specific number of losses will translate to a new coach. So why wish the losses on these kids?



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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2010, 10:58:32 PM »
You think they're delusional now. But next year when head coach Bobby Knight and his assistants Billy Donovan and Rick Pitino lead this once proud program to a national championship while recruiting a class of nine 5-star recruits, well, let's just say you'll be singing a different tune.
Singing a different tune Fun?
When this actually happens, I’ll sing the National Anthem at MSG for a sold out game against Seton Hall, wearing a Weasels shirt! It may not be pretty, but I’ll do it!


You have to understand, the guys who root for the team to lose, are doing so bc they believe it will help us in the long run.  The reasoning is FLAWED bc there is no guarantee Norm is fired with any amt. of losses. However, don't tell me the guys rooting for the team to lose NOW for the first time ever (im not talkin about the realfan types who have rooted for the team to lose since day 1) are not fans.  Norm has been here 6 years and will never even make a NIT.  They are disenchanted, and believe that enough losses this year = no norm.  They are ROOTING for st johns long terrm success, even though what they are rooting for is nothing more than a mere potential contingency.
I love when the opposition make my arguments for me, saves me the time and trouble!
Go back up to your quote above and look at all the underlined words and phrases.

Tha Kid, you and I have discussed this previously. I fully understand the FRUSTRATION that the long time fans (and new ones too) have experienced, but the fact remains that no specific number of losses will translate to a new coach. So why wish the losses on these kids?

Come on RSHF.  These aren't CYO 4th graders.  They are old enough to vote and go to war.  They are almost all old enough to drink.  They are receiving a free education from a fine institution.  Most will be able to make money abroad and be successful even if they haven't had distinguished careers here.  Stop crying for the "kids" they have it FAR better than most their age.

That said I understand and support your decision to root for the team.
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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2010, 12:07:18 AM »
Come on RSHF.  These aren't CYO 4th graders.  They are old enough to vote and go to war.  They are almost all old enough to drink.  They are receiving a free education from a fine institution.  Most will be able to make money abroad and be successful even if they haven't had distinguished careers here.  Stop crying for the "kids" they have it FAR better than most their age.

That said I understand and support your decision to root for the team.

Kid, please don’t invoke the “old enough to go to war” argument as I have two over there already, and one graduating West Point in late May and we can only guess where he is headed after his initial flight school training (helicopters). I can’t imagine they are going to train him to fly a Blackhawk and then send him to Kansas to protect Bill Self during his Championship Parade.

That said, I don’t quite understand your response. I may refer to them as kids, so let me rephrase that to This Team. As a fan of This Team, I can not understand how any fan of This Team could wish them to lose a single game. Period!

It’s that simple. You and many others have a hidden agenda about how many losses will get a new coach. There is no concrete evidence to suggest that will happen. NOTHING!

There is no search committee, contrary to what one misinformed poster said on another site. I have that in writing!

Get used to it… he’s our coach for at least another year!

And I choose to support This Team!
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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2010, 12:43:30 AM »
what does your family's service have to do with  the "old enough to go to war" argument? 

wishing wins and loses for this team has nothing to do with whether the team wins or loses.  the losses are on the kids and their coaches...

this coach is a horror show.  rooting for him to win is like republicans rooting for millions to stay unemployed so they can return to power.

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Re: Norm is going to screw everyone...
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2010, 07:30:49 AM »

Do you have definitive evidence or a source that swears norm is returning?
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