Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion

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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2010, 06:42:17 PM »
6 years ago coaches didn't know what the NCAA was going to do to us.
No one knew how bad it really was, or how deep it went.

The job was high profile, but certainly not more attractive at that time than now. Norm did one thing for SJU, as far as we know: he kept us clean.

Coaches in the A10, the MAC or any other lesser conference would be crazy
to turn down this job. You put Charles Jenkins in this team, and let Tom Pecora coach it and we'd be crying a lot less about Lance Stephenson.

These smaller teams, are doing it with less talent than us. Guys like Pecora find talent. They find it, and they make it better. I'm not greedy enough to demand Pitino or Donovan. I just want a guy with actual coaching ability.

The fact that it took Roberts 6 years to beat Hofstra is mind boggling.
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« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2010, 06:52:22 PM »
WHat exactly has Pecora accomplished?

Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2010, 06:58:04 PM »
this team is completely disfunctional.  it's not about player a or player b. 

get a real coach in here...like jarvis...who can use the talent he has and this is a 24 win team.  period.

Jarvis wasn't a real coach. Hand the ball to Hatten and do work. Hand the ball to Hill and do work.
America East Championship (1990)
A10 Regular Season West Division Championship (1996)
Big East Regular Season Championship (2000)
Big East Tournament Championship
NIT Championship 2003, 
 
Awards
America East Coach of the Year (1990)

he's won over 360 games...florida atlantic will probably be in the ncaa tournament before us...

there's more to coaching than rolling the balls out or handing it to one player (who he recruited, by the way)
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« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2010, 07:01:18 PM »
this team is completely disfunctional.  it's not about player a or player b. 

get a real coach in here...like jarvis...who can use the talent he has and this is a 24 win team.  period.

Jarvis wasn't a real coach. Hand the ball to Hatten and do work. Hand the ball to Hill and do work.
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A10 Regular Season West Division Championship (1996)
Big East Regular Season Championship (2000)
NIT Championship 2003, 
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America East Coach of the Year (1990)
he's won over 360 games...florida atlantic will probably be in the ncaa tournament before us...

there's more to coaching than rolling the balls out or handing it to one player (who he recruited, by the way)

He won a bulk of his games with Frachilla's players and it was down hill from there
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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2010, 07:36:23 PM »
WHat exactly has Pecora accomplished?

He beat a final four team twice in one season.
How's that?

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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2010, 07:40:09 PM »
Jarvis won a BE Tournament with a 6'4 center.
I'm sorry, but the man can coach.

He was having a terrible season after Hatten left,
but he was also never given the chance to coach that team in the BE.


Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2010, 09:02:00 PM »
Just_Win_STJ,  Burrell shouldn't have been on McGhee PERIOD.  As Dave said, Coker should've been in more to guard McGhee.  The times Justin was on him was on the coach, not Justin.

I thought Justin was OK today.  I killed him after the Marquette game because I thought he costed us bigtime then.  His lack of confidence offensively is disturbing, but a lot of that comes from a coaching staff that can't develop him, and guards that can't set him up well. 
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« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2010, 10:24:48 PM »
Jarvis won a BE Tournament with a 6'4 center.
I'm sorry, but the man can coach.

Again, Glover was 6'6" and a former NYS HS player of the year. In addition to him that team had two NBA players, plus Bootsy Thornton.

Jarvis was an atrocious coach and a worse human being.

Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2010, 10:40:32 PM »
this team is completely disfunctional.  it's not about player a or player b. 

get a real coach in here...like jarvis...who can use the talent he has and this is a 24 win team.  period.

Jarvis wasn't a real coach. Hand the ball to Hatten and do work. Hand the ball to Hill and do work.
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A10 Regular Season West Division Championship (1996)
Big East Regular Season Championship (2000)
NIT Championship 2003, 
Awards
America East Coach of the Year (1990)
he's won over 360 games...florida atlantic will probably be in the ncaa tournament before us...

there's more to coaching than rolling the balls out or handing it to one player (who he recruited, by the way)

He won a bulk of his games with Frachilla's players and it was down hill from there
fraschilla couldn't win with fraschilla's players no more than norm can win with his players.  it's not enough to have players.  you need a coach.

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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2010, 11:39:01 PM »
Just_Win_STJ,  Burrell shouldn't have been on McGhee PERIOD.  As Dave said, Coker should've been in more to guard McGhee.  The times Justin was on him was on the coach, not Justin.

I thought Justin was OK today.  I killed him after the Marquette game because I thought he costed us bigtime then.  His lack of confidence offensively is disturbing, but a lot of that comes from a coaching staff that can't develop him, and guards that can't set him up well.
Justin outplayed McGhee, with 12 minutes less time on the court. Your last sentence has some good points.........You can't be "the go to guy" as a big, unless they actually .er....."go to ya". The coach doesn't insist that happens and other players do not do that.

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« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2010, 02:07:07 AM »

Justin outplayed McGhee, with 12 minutes less time on the court.


That´s not right.

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« Reply #71 on: March 01, 2010, 08:06:48 AM »
Again, Glover was 6'6" and a former NYS HS player of the year. In addition to him that team had two NBA players, plus Bootsy Thornton.

Jarvis was an atrocious coach and a worse human being.
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No way was Glove 6'6.

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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #72 on: March 01, 2010, 08:20:01 AM »
No way was Glove 6'6.

He's listed at 6'6 at RM dot com.

Statsheet dot com says he's 6'5."

The DN calls him "the 6-4 forward."

I see no certainty short of going down to Argentina and measuring him.

Which doesn't change the fact that Jarvae was the worst. coach. ever.

Interesting article about Glover:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/07/13/2009-07-13_years_abroad_have_turned_glover.html


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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #73 on: March 01, 2010, 11:30:31 AM »
glover is my shorter than me and im 6'5

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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #74 on: March 01, 2010, 11:46:09 AM »
glover is my shorter than me and im 6'5

Okay, he's 6'4". He could be 5'2", eyes of blue, Jarvis still sucked.

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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2010, 12:06:54 PM »
Jarvis had the Garden rocking every year.
Even during his worst season in 00-01, we were
young, but competative.

If he scheduled bs games like Norm did, he might have had a post season that year.

You take out Bobby Knight and Gary Williams in March
it's coaching. If all of those guys were so good they'd be playing in the NBA.


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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2010, 12:35:27 PM »

get a real coach in here...like jarvis...who can use the talent he has and this is a 24 win team.  period.

Jarvis was dismissed in December 2003. Since then, how many coaching offers has he had?

Harvard and Florida Atlantic.

Then, there are two options:

1- Jarvis is a real coach but the President and ADs are stupid for not contacting him.

2- Jarvis is not a real coach.

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« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2010, 12:38:55 PM »
You take out Bobby Knight and Gary Williams in March it's coaching. If all of those guys were so good they'd be playing in the NBA.

Really. So then if Jarhead is such a great coach, how come he's 14 and 15 in the mighty Sunbelt Conference? How come he was 6 and 26 last year? Too bad Bobby Knight's not at Middle Tennessee State, Jarvis could out smart him again.

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Re: Pittsburgh (MSG) Post Game Discussion
« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2010, 12:50:51 PM »
You take out Bobby Knight and Gary Williams in March it's coaching. If all of those guys were so good they'd be playing in the NBA.

Really. So then if Jarhead is such a great coach, how come he's 14 and 15 in the mighty Sunbelt Conference? How come he was 6 and 26 last year? Too bad Bobby Knight's not at Middle Tennessee State, Jarvis could out smart him again.

Norm Roberts keeps saying that the program is better off now than it was when he got here.
The funny thing is Mike Jarvis said the same thing when Harrington fired him on Christmas Eve.

In the BE, we've coaches go from success at smaller schools like Bobby Gonzalez, and then fail miserably once given a chance at a high major school.

Jarvis might be struggling now, but when given the chance to coach in the one of the big 6 conferences, he was a winner. 

You're to tell me that you weren't impressed when he went down to North Carolina, and beat Duke in Cameron? How many non-ACC teams have done that since? His BE resume wasn't perfect, but it was the closest thing we had to the Louie days since he retired.

SJU likes to blame Jarvis for the state of the program. He's not innocent, but it was the way they handled his firing, and the players they expelled thaty brought on our current situation. It's nice to have a scape goat, but since this "horrible coach" has been fired, we've made zero post season tournaments. Argue all you want, but that's a fact.

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« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2010, 12:55:32 PM »
jarvis is building a program at florida atlantic.  you point out the progress.  he'll be in the ncaa's before norm.

and gonzo...according to the great bill parcells, you are what your record says you are.
America East Championship (1990)
A10 Regular Season West Division Championship (1996)
Big East Regular Season Championship (2000)
Big East Tournament Championship
NIT Championship 2003, 
 
Awards
America East Coach of the Year (1990)

he's won over 360 games.