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The Daily News and Newsday...
« on: March 24, 2010, 07:08:28 PM »
I love how one says a deal is imminent, and the says Hewitt is uncertain about SJU.

So far, we've heard, it's 50/50 they fire Norm.
Greenberg is a done deal.
Hewitt is a done deal.
Hewitt isn't leaving Altanta because of family ties.

At least Norm has been fired.

Re: The Daily News and Newsday...
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2010, 07:16:21 PM »
That's what happens when "reporters" guess instead of report
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2010, 07:17:58 PM »
 The media in this country has become a joke, and not just in sports.  Disgraceful IMO

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2010, 07:24:39 PM »
Any of this and all of this hurts St. John's. These reporters should wait and break the bigger story of St. John's lands a big fish. If they report and leak every little thing Monasch does it hurts the process. Either it gives other coaches leverage or we lose leverage in the process
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 07:26:27 PM »
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The media in this country has become a joke

You can also blame the internet as part of its demise as well. Anyone can now become a reporter or blogger and everyone wants to post the story first and very easy to change html and switch the story.

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 07:39:07 PM »
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The media in this country has become a joke

You can also blame the internet as part of its demise as well. Anyone can now become a reporter or blogger and everyone wants to post the story first and very easy to change html and switch the story.

 Very true.

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 08:03:32 PM »
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The media in this country has become a joke

You can also blame the internet as part of its demise as well. Anyone can now become a reporter or blogger and everyone wants to post the story first and very easy to change html and switch the story.

Who's to blame the person writing it or the person believing it to be true? "It was on the internet it must be true!"
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 08:13:16 PM »
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The media in this country has become a joke

You can also blame the internet as part of its demise as well. Anyone can now become a reporter or blogger and everyone wants to post the story first and very easy to change html and switch the story.

Who's to blame the person writing it or the person believing it to be true? "It was on the internet it must be true!"

I wonder how man of these "insiders" are getting their info from stes like this

Re: The Daily News and Newsday...
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2010, 08:21:41 PM »
I have to believe St. John's is in full control of this coaching search.  You have to take into account the facts.  What we know, and one of the only things we know for certain, is that we are willing to pay top dollar for the coach we want.  Everything else in the papers I take with a grain of salt. 

Hewitt is a drop down from Donovan, but its no where near a free fall.  After Hewitt, the drop is FAR FAR down.  After Paul Hewitt....Seth Greenberg, Fran McCaffery, Steven Donahue, etc are all coaches that would have us as a middle of the pack team in the Big East, in my opinion.  I wish someone had kept a list of all of the prized recruits that escaped us in the past 7 years.  It makes me sick not only seeing these guys go away, but getting NONE of them.  Paul Hewitt will bring them to Jamaica Queens.  With the talent pool as strong as it is in New York, I can see Hewitt having much better success at St. John's than Georgia Tech because I can see the majority of the NY talent will not be NBA ready after one year (ie, Corey Fisher, Kemba Walker, etc).  Mix those type of players in with some one and done NBA talent and the possibility of our team is tremendous.

Money DOES talk in this business.  If Hewitt is playing hard to get, or is mulling the opportunity, the answer is simple:  Offer him a 5 year/10 million dollar contract and lets get to it.

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2010, 08:49:01 PM »
Remember that Monasch doesn't owe anyone the thruth about what is going on. He and Hewitt might have a deal signed, sealed and delivered...but why tell the media right now?

The media is all for themselves...the NYT is all about the news they see fit to print. The media in NY is about selling newspapers, they won't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

All we know is that Pecora is off the list, someone who very few on this site wanted anyway.

BTW, Hewitt's MO sounds very much like Louie...lands talent, not much coaching skills and maybe win a game in the NCAAs every other year.

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2010, 08:53:58 PM »
I'd take McCaffrey over Hewitt. Hewitt has brought in talent like crazy but he can't win its like a more frustrating Norm Roberts. McCaffrey has brought 3 different teams to the top of their conference and into the NCAA tourney. Imagine if he had the resources of a Big East school? I think he'd be huge here.
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2010, 09:05:36 PM »
I'd take McCaffrey over Hewitt. Hewitt has brought in talent like crazy but he can't win its like a more frustrating Norm Roberts. McCaffrey has brought 3 different teams to the top of their conference and into the NCAA tourney. Imagine if he had the resources of a Big East school? I think he'd be huge here.

I'm surprised McCaffrey hasn't been mentioned more.  Did he turn us down already?
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2010, 09:14:13 PM »
Remember that Monasch doesn't owe anyone the thruth about what is going on. He and Hewitt might have a deal signed, sealed and delivered...but why tell the media right now?

The media is all for themselves...the NYT is all about the news they see fit to print. The media in NY is about selling newspapers, they won't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

All we know is that Pecora is off the list, someone who very few on this site wanted anyway.

BTW, Hewitt's MO sounds very much like Louie...lands talent, not much coaching skills and maybe win a game in the NCAAs every other year.

You could be right, but that kind of skepticism leaves a bad taste.  Keep these 3 things in mind:

1. Hewitt has consistently brought in NBA talent.  Remember Ron Artest? Our last representative.  :'(

2.  Hewitt just played for the ACC championship.  Can you imagine St. John's playing for the Big East championship?

3. Hewitt has coached in the NCAA championship game.  You cant get lucky and get to the NCAA finals. 

I know he has had a few down seasons, but the way I see it, he will round off his teams with better supporting cast's here in New York and that may propel him to be a perennial 20 game winner.  The ceiling is crazy for Hewitt here, no one after him comes close.

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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2010, 09:15:40 PM »
I'd take McCaffrey over Hewitt. Hewitt has brought in talent like crazy but he can't win its like a more frustrating Norm Roberts. McCaffrey has brought 3 different teams to the top of their conference and into the NCAA tourney. Imagine if he had the resources of a Big East school? I think he'd be huge here.

I'm surprised McCaffrey hasn't been mentioned more.  Did he turn us down already?

I think they are kind of looking for the more flashy, well known name with this search.  This is where they screwed up last time, a McCaffrey type would have been perfect then.

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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2010, 09:17:15 PM »
I'd take McCaffrey over Hewitt. Hewitt has brought in talent like crazy but he can't win its like a more frustrating Norm Roberts. McCaffrey has brought 3 different teams to the top of their conference and into the NCAA tourney. Imagine if he had the resources of a Big East school? I think he'd be huge here.

I'm surprised McCaffrey hasn't been mentioned more.  Did he turn us down already?

I think they are kind of looking for the more flashy, well known name with this search.  This is where they screwed up last time, a McCaffrey type would have been perfect then.

Bingo. As attractive as he is, he is slightly too much of a gamble.  Like scooby said, he wouldve been perfect 6 years ago.

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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2010, 09:25:19 PM »
What concerns me about Paul Hewitt is that he is 67-93 (.419) in the ACC. Didn't we just Fire Norm because he didn't win enough?  Hewitt is a step up and will be able to recruit.  However, if we are willing to throw 2 or 3 mil out there, then we should be able to do better than someone who has won 42% of his conference games over a decade.  You are what your record says you are.  In this case, its a mediocre performance.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2010, 09:34:15 PM »
You could be right, but that kind of skepticism leaves a bad taste.  Keep these 3 things in mind:

1. Hewitt has consistently brought in NBA talent.  Remember Ron Artest? Our last representative.  :'(

2.  Hewitt just played for the ACC championship.  Can you imagine St. John's playing for the Big East championship?

3. Hewitt has coached in the NCAA championship game.  You cant get lucky and get to the NCAA finals. 

I know he has had a few down seasons, but the way I see it, he will round off his teams with better supporting cast's here in New York and that may propel him to be a perennial 20 game winner.  The ceiling is crazy for Hewitt here, no one after him comes close.

Good points, Red Dot.  I'm one who has questioned Hewitt's X's and O's on the offensive side of the ball, but he's gonna bring in quality talent and I think he cleans up in the NY/NJ area.  Trust me!  For the ones who has basically ignored recruiting for the last year or two....  You're gonna be on Rivals and Scout more frequently.


Not to mention, he'll also grab us a player or two (albeit, blue-chip talent) from outside of the metropolitan area of NY/NJ.  I heard a local guy on the radio state the same thing, as Red Dot just mentioned.  The local radio personality believes Hewitt ceiling could be higher in NY than it was in Georgia due to familiarity and being well-liked. 

Remember folk....  I still believe he'll dip into the south (and, wherever else) for solid talent.  So, I don't believe he'll limit himself to just NY/NJ.  He'll definitely keep good tabs throughout the areas where he's recruited players.  Hopefully, he also brings along a solid assistant or two and then the sky could definitely be the limit.

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2010, 09:37:05 PM »
  From St.John's perspective they are going to go with the guy who's more accomplished. In their eyes, Hewitt is more accomplished than McCaffery. I can see why they would go with him over Fran.   I could also see the argument against it.

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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2010, 09:39:38 PM »
What concerns me about Paul Hewitt is that he is 67-93 (.419) in the ACC. Didn't we just Fire Norm because he didn't win enough?  Hewitt is a step up and will be able to recruit.  However, if we are willing to throw 2 or 3 mil out there, then we should be able to do better than someone who has won 42% of his conference games over a decade.  You are what your record says you are.  In this case, its a mediocre performance.

thank-you. My thoughts and fears exactly.
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Re: The Daily News and Newsday...
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2010, 09:40:50 PM »
Remember that Monasch doesn't owe anyone the thruth about what is going on. He and Hewitt might have a deal signed, sealed and delivered...but why tell the media right now?

The media is all for themselves...the NYT is all about the news they see fit to print. The media in NY is about selling newspapers, they won't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

All we know is that Pecora is off the list, someone who very few on this site wanted anyway.

BTW, Hewitt's MO sounds very much like Louie...lands talent, not much coaching skills and maybe win a game in the NCAAs every other year.

You could be right, but that kind of skepticism leaves a bad taste.  Keep these 3 things in mind:

1. Hewitt has consistently brought in NBA talent.  Remember Ron Artest? Our last representative.  :'(

2.  Hewitt just played for the ACC championship.  Can you imagine St. John's playing for the Big East championship?

3. Hewitt has coached in the NCAA championship game.  You cant get lucky and get to the NCAA finals. 

I know he has had a few down seasons, but the way I see it, he will round off his teams with better supporting cast's here in New York and that may propel him to be a perennial 20 game winner.  The ceiling is crazy for Hewitt here, no one after him comes close.

He can't win with all that talent. That's more frustrating than Norm Roberts not being able to win with mediocre talent.

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