Rico Hines or Jay Williams?

Who would you rather have? Why?

williams...excellent announcer.

hines...this from crgreen at redmen.com:

...has been as an assistant coach, but not an assistant (per se) to Don Nelson - he's been the Assitant to Mark Grabow, the Warriors Director of Athletic Development - one the absolute top guys in the field. Among other things Mark was Strength and Conditioning coach for Pete Newell's big man camp for 18 years, in addition to his 19 years with the Warriors. Mark's from Patterson, is close friends with Chris Mullin - and despite Coach Lavin's close ties to Rico, I'm betting Rico's getting the job as much because of Grabow's recommendation.

The following is an excerpt from a report on a clinic for High School coaches that Rico's mentor and the Warriors put on a year or so ago:

"Mark is, in my humble opinion, one of the best elite trainers in the country, of not the best. For the past 19 years he has been with the Golden State Warriors as their Athletic Development Specialist, his service to them has transcended coaching changes which speaks of his skill and importance to the organization. Mark was instrumental in the turn around in Chris Mullins career during his rough patches and to this date they are excellent friends. He has, in his time trained thousands of elite athletes from all realms of sport, including greats like Jennifer Capriati, Andy Roddick, Baron Davis, Mike Dunleavy, the Lithuanian Olympic basketball team, and yes, even Brian Boitano to name a few.

During this clinic Mark worked from his book called On the Court 100, which is a compelation of his drills for the last 20 years. For anyone doing training, at any level, this is the bible. It is an essential tool in my training of athletes, and to pick up the updated copy and actually see him train was superb.

A side note, Chris Mullin showed up and went through a short workout with Grabow and talked with us about training and his experiences. Was awesome to see Chris still able, at 46 to move like a pro."

I would add that Rico worked 3 years for the Warriors while Chris was the teams EVP.....

i'd opt for hines...overwhelmingly.

Jay Williams. The star power in the name helps us in recruiting. The kids can relate to him. Bonus...He's just a cool cat.

Who would you rather have?

Hines.

Why?

Rule1. No dewKIES.
Rule 2. There is no Rule 2
Rule 3. See Rule 1

Plus this interview is pretty impressive.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Training-Grounds,-Part-Eight-An-Interview-with-Rico-Hines-2149/

Love them or hate them Duke produces great basketball pedigree. I'm all about getting successful guys in here and I think Jay Williams is one of them.

Why not both?  IF we're not getting a Book in here, Jay could be 3rd assistant and Rico DOBO.

Love them or hate them Duke produces great basketball pedigree. I'm all about getting successful guys in here and I think Jay Williams is one of them.

I don't think that's particularly true. Shrewshensky produces great college basketball teams comprising great college players who flame out in the pros. His most successful NBA players play less than four years and his most renown players -- JJ, Laettner, Hill - fare poorly. And his players who became coaches - Snyder, Dawkins, and Amaker - all pretty much suck at coaching.

Quote from: Dave on April 08, 2010, 02:43:20 PM

Love them or hate them Duke produces great basketball pedigree. I'm all about getting successful guys in here and I think Jay Williams is one of them.

I don't think that's particularly true. Shrewshensky produces great college basketball teams comprising great college players who flame out in the pros. His most successful NBA players play less than four years and his most renown players -- JJ, Laettner, Hill - fare poorly. And his players who became coaches - Snyder, Dawkins, and Amaker - all pretty much suck at coaching.

How many other programs have produced more than one head coach?
Let alone several.

Quote from: Dave on April 08, 2010, 02:43:20 PM

Love them or hate them Duke produces great basketball pedigree. I'm all about getting successful guys in here and I think Jay Williams is one of them.

I don't think that's particularly true. Shrewshensky produces great college basketball teams comprising great college players who flame out in the pros. His most successful NBA players play less than four years and his most renown players -- JJ, Laettner, Hill - fare poorly. And his players who became coaches - Snyder, Dawkins, and Amaker - all pretty much suck at coaching.

Grant Hill was awesome and had injury problems so I think thats unfair. JJ Reddick is actually having a really good year for the Magic.

Boozer and Brand have been very good. Duhon, Dunleavy, Maggette, Deng have all had a solid careers too.

Jones, Randolph, Ewing, Williams have been subpar.

Anyways I'm not even talking about NBA success but overall basketball IQ, knowledge of the game, and they are all very articulate with the media. I think they would all make for good coaches.

However Jay Williams is his own man and just because he went to Duke doesn't mean you should label him or judge him based upon that. I think too many people do that and stereotype these guys.

Rico Hines sounds like he knows what he's doing w/r/t training... but is he going to replace the current trainer?  or will he be an assistant coach?  If so, does his skill set translate to coaching/ scouting as well as individual player instruction?

Grant Hill was awesome and had injury problems so I think thats unfair. JJ Reddick is actually having a really good year for the Magic.

Grant Hill is made of tissue paper. Redick's the greatest shooter in the world who averages 7 points a game. Next.

Boozer and Brand have been very good. Duhon, Dunleavy, Maggette, Deng have all had a solid careers too.

Deng, Magette and Brand were smart enough to leave school early, before they got totally corrupted. 

Jones, Randolph, Ewing, Williams have been subpar.

You forgot a few

Danny Ferry #2 overall *
Jay Williams #2
C Laettner #3
Mike Dunleavy #3
Shelton "Pinhead" Williams #5
Bobby Hurley #7
Mike Gminski #7 *
Johnny Dawkins #10
Trajan "Clank" Langdon #11
Cherokee Parks #12
Will Avery #14
Josh McRoberts #37
Shavlik Randolph (surprisingly undrafted)
Gene Banks (not Shrewschnecky's) *

* (not Shrewschnecky's)

Anyways I'm not even talking about NBA success but overall basketball IQ, knowledge of the game, and they are all very articulate with the media. I think they would all make for good coaches.

And yet none of them have. Go figure.

However Jay Williams is his own man and just because he went to Duke doesn't mean you should label him or judge him based upon that. I think too many people do that and stereotype these guys.

On the contrary, I can't think of a better reason.

I was just talking about current players. Anyways JJ is having a good season his tempo stats are nice and his minutes are increasing. I'm not saying he's all NBA but he's doing well in his role.

Either way I don't think where they played their college ball should factor into in their coaching resume.

Jay Williams national player of the year, all-american, national champion, lotto pick is pretty damn impressive.

I think if Jay comes out and admits he made a mistake by going to Duke and that he now hates any and everything about Duke...Foad maybe okay with him watching a St. John's game on TV.

Foad is looking at this the wrong way.  Foad acts Duke is the reason those guys haven't scuceeded in the NBA.  What if the actual case is, if those guys hadn't gone to Duke, they would have been picked much much lower, and Coach K actually got their stock up so high --- which made them much more money and gained them much more fame?

Hines and Williams both would make great hires.  I think I'd side with Jay Williams on this one.  There are two uncomitted juniors in the top 50 from Jay's home town.  Both are guards and about the same size.  I'd have to think he could get us one of them.

Rico would be a great sell to recruits based on his experience getting kids drafted and working with big names like Barnes and Baron Davis.

You can't really go wrong with eiher.  I'd expect us to own NJ if we added Jay Williams--and what a year to do it.

Foad is looking at this the wrong way.  Foad acts Duke is the reason those guys haven't scuceeded in the NBA.  What if the actual case is, if those guys hadn't gone to Duke, they would have been picked much much lower

Huhwhat? That's exactly the way I'm looking at it. It's another example of affirmative action for the finest Ivy League school in Carolina. The players are  coddled by the refs, fawned over by the media, and overrated by NBA scouts, who should know better, since it should be pretty obvious that dooK is where draft picks go to die.

Quote from: Tha Kid on April 08, 2010, 05:05:05 PM

Foad is looking at this the wrong way.  Foad acts Duke is the reason those guys haven't scuceeded in the NBA.  What if the actual case is, if those guys hadn't gone to Duke, they would have been picked much much lower

Huhwhat? That's exactly the way I'm looking at it. It's another example of affirmative action for the finest Ivy League school in Carolina. The players are  coddled by the refs, fawned over by the media, and overrated by NBA scouts, who should know better, since it should be pretty obvious that dooK is where draft picks go to die.

So you would agree that Coach K is able to fool the world/scouts/ESPN that his less talented players will do well in the NBA, thereby getting them more money and fame than they would have fi they went elsewhere?

if so, isnt that exactly the type of coach you want at your school?

I was just talking about current players.

It's true that if you don't count the players who were laughed out of the league that the track record is much better. Alaa Abdelnaby to the white courtesy telephone.

Anyways JJ is having a good season his tempo stats are nice and his minutes are increasing. I'm not saying he's all NBA but he's doing well in his role.

Which role? His role as a lottery pick or as a third string SG?

Quote from: Foad on April 08, 2010, 09:45:59 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on April 08, 2010, 05:05:05 PM

Foad is looking at this the wrong way.  Foad acts Duke is the reason those guys haven't scuceeded in the NBA.  What if the actual case is, if those guys hadn't gone to Duke, they would have been picked much much lower

Huhwhat? That's exactly the way I'm looking at it. It's another example of affirmative action for the finest Ivy League school in Carolina. The players are  coddled by the refs, fawned over by the media, and overrated by NBA scouts, who should know better, since it should be pretty obvious that dooK is where draft picks go to die.

So you would agree that Coach K is able to fool the world/scouts/ESPN that his less talented players will do well in the NBA, thereby getting them more money and fame than they would have fi they went elsewhere?

if so, isnt that exactly the type of coach you want at your school?

I've never denied that Ratty is a great coach or that he's had some great teams and great players. That'd be foolish. But I'd sooner root for Johnny Calamari, who at least doesn't pretend that he's anything but a skumbag.

I honestly had no idea Rico was working in the NBA, but it makes sense. I loved Rico's work ethic, smarts, and defense as a player. Clearly not a high-D1 talent physically, he made up for it with heart and toughness, and an understanding of the game, exactly the type of ethos you want a coach imparting (if only Rico had the physical talent of some of the bums out there). He's a fairly tough, in-your-face guy, so I can see players respecting him despite his youth.

Unfortunately, the typical dumb UCLA fan didn't appreciate the little things Rico did that really help a team but don't appear in the boxscore. But any coach watching tape on him would want him on their team.

Always nice to have that one coach who is super-intense and will put a boot up someone's arse, and maybe the players are a little afraid of, LOL.