Norvel Pelle - C - Price High School - Long Beach, CA - IONA

He was born Feb 3, 1993, he is already 19 years old...

He was born Feb 3, 1993, he is already 19 years old...

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:32:43 PM

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

What does this have to do with Norvel Pelle?

Quote from: Moose on February 06, 2012, 05:35:14 PM

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:32:43 PM

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

What does this have to do with Norvel Pelle?

I didn't want to start a new thread, and Pelle is just one of the many recent recruits that we've currently and maybe permanently lost.  If you have a better thread or board to fit my post in than by all mean go ahead.

I think we'll be hard pressed to land Pelle, Gathers & Sampson again.  If we end up with even one of those three I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:32:43 PM

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

Come back in the spring, if guys aren't signed.  Otherwise, this goes in line with the other mess you spew.
---------------------------------------------

"Mess"?  What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.?  All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality.  As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful.  No wonder we've had a losing product around here in basketball for the last several years, and that can be correlated to having a losing culture including our own fan-base that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that, and how dare someone like me decides to discuss it, because they'll be promptly shown the door for being the sole voice for obvious needed change.  It goes on deaf ears.  "Ignorance is bliss"

Are you satisfied with losing?  Because if you are than keep doing what your doing and you'll become an inadvertent barrier to future success.

God do I miss Louie a Joe.

"Mess"?  What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.?  All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality.  As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful.  No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.

Are you satisfied with losing?  Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:40:58 PM

Quote from: Moose on February 06, 2012, 05:35:14 PM

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:32:43 PM

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

What does this have to do with Norvel Pelle?

I didn't want to start a new thread, and Pelle is just one of the many recent recruits that we've currently and maybe permanently lost.  If you have a better thread or board to fit my post in than by all mean go ahead.

I think we'll be hard pressed to land Pelle, Gathers & Sampson again.  If we end up with even one of those three I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Nobody here thinks were getting Pelle.  The ship has sailed.  Nobody here beleives he will come here.

As for the other two you are entitled to your opinion.  But facts support coach is trying his damndest.

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:49:00 PM

Quote from: mjdinkins on February 06, 2012, 05:38:06 PM

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:32:43 PM

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

Come back in the spring, if guys aren't signed.  Otherwise, this goes in line with the other mess you spew.
---------------------------------------------

"Mess"?  What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.?  All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality.  As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful.  No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.

Are you satisfied with losing?  Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.

You have nothing personally do with losing those kids.  Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately.  Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again).  Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways.  Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.

Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble.  Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it?  The same for Gathers.  If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain.  Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?

This is only the staff second season.  They had to restock an entire team.  Not 3 or 4 players.  An entire roster.  Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing?  The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season.  So, that suddenly means the program is falling?  Get real.

Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality.  Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners....  To pass everything off as reality?  More times than not, it's usually an opinion. 

My whining has nothing to do with our lack of success just like your unrealistic optimisim has not made St. John's more successful.  "It is what it is".  What does the records/record book results read for St. John's basketball for the past 10+ years?  Lets stick to the facts/the results.  The results UNFORTUNATELY supports my opinion over the past 10+ and not yours.

Once again, I like Steve and unlike Norm Roberts, Lavin is an outstanding recruiter, but he's made the crucial mistake of going after too many borderline academic players and not seeing them actually get to play here, and it's tough to BUILD a program that way.

Doesn't AAU really end @ 17U or 18U..?

Quote from: mjdinkins on February 06, 2012, 05:57:29 PM

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:49:00 PM

Quote from: mjdinkins on February 06, 2012, 05:38:06 PM

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:32:43 PM

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

Come back in the spring, if guys aren't signed.  Otherwise, this goes in line with the other mess you spew.
---------------------------------------------

"Mess"?  What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.?  All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality.  As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful.  No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.

Are you satisfied with losing?  Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.

You have nothing personally do with losing those kids.  Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately.  Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again).  Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways.  Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.

Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble.  Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it?  The same for Gathers.  If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain.  Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?

This is only the staff second season.  They had to restock an entire team.  Not 3 or 4 players.  An entire roster.  Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing?  The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season.  So, that suddenly means the program is falling?  Get real.

Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality.  Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners....  To pass everything off as reality?  More times than not, it's usually an opinion. 

My whining has nothing to do with our lack of success just like your unrealistic optimisim has not made St. John's more successful.  "It is what it is".  What does the records/record book results read for St. John's basketball for the past 10+ years?  Lets stick to the facts/the results.  The results UNFORTUNATELY supports my opinion over the past 10+ and not yours.

Once I again, I like Steve and unlike Norm Roberts, Lavin is an outstandinf recruiter, but je's made this mistake of going after borderline academic players and losing them, and it's toght to BUILD a program that way.

I would agree with you that Lavin perhaps should have added a few SAFE guys but he rolled the dice and lost. You don't win NCAA tourney games with the SAFE guys but you win wiith top talent. Made things look terribly worse because he had no existing roster to fall back on.

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now.  God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

My whining has nothing to do with our lack of success just like your unrealistic optimisim has not made St. John's more successful.  "It is what it is".  What does the records/record book results read for St. John's basketball for the past 10+ years?  Lets stick to the facts/the results.  The results UNFORTUNATELY supports my opinion over the past 10+ and not yours.

Once I again, I like Steve and unlike Norm Roberts, Lavin is an outstandinf recruiter, but je's made this mistake of going after borderline academic players and losing them, and it's toght to BUILD a program that way.

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:32:43 PM

I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board.  All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.

I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough.  This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players.  Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now.  God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO.  Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat. 

I would ask how many teams in college basketball have a true center but we'll start small. How many teams in the Big East have a true center?

Unrelated to that true positions in the game now are fading. There are so many combo/hybrid players out there and thats where the game is moving.

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:49:00 PM

"Mess"?  What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.?  All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality.  As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful.  No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.

Are you satisfied with losing?  Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.

You have nothing personally do with losing those kids.  Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately.  Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again).  Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways.  Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.

Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble.  Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it?  The same for Gathers.  If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain.  Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?

This is only the staff second season.  They had to restock an entire team.  Not 3 or 4 players.  An entire roster.  Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing?  The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season.  So, that suddenly means the program is falling?  Get real.

Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality.  Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners....  To pass everything off as reality?  More times than not, it's usually an opinion.

Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 06, 2012, 05:49:00 PM

"Mess"?  What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.?  All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality.  As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful.  No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.

Are you satisfied with losing?  Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.

You have nothing personally do with losing those kids.  Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately.  Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again).  Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways.  Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.

Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble.  Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it?  The same for Gathers.  If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain.  Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?

This is only the staff second season.  They had to restock an entire team.  Not 3 or 4 players.  An entire roster.  Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing?  The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season.  So, that suddenly means the program is falling?  Get real.

Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality.  Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners....  To pass everything off as reality?  More times than not, it's usually an opinion.