Norvel Pelle - C - Price High School - Long Beach, CA - IONA

Get your head together,hit the books,come to SJU and youll be part of a family making history.

Quote from: PIB on March 08, 2012, 08:47:58 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 08, 2012, 08:25:26 PM

Quote from: PIB on March 08, 2012, 08:24:35 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 08, 2012, 08:00:58 PM

So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???

He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.

He was accepted to STJ.  Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.

If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?

I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).

I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.

The problem was he didn't meet NCAA requirements.  He was accepted into STJ.  Someone here mentioned this example.  A 4.0 HS student can be accepted to Harvard but if he didnt take and pass an NCAA required class at a certain level he will not be eligible to play.

Then SJU has to tighten up its admissions. They should be in alignment with the NCAA standards, especially when recruiting a D1 caliber athlete.

Side Note: As a University of Miami football fan, I am well aware of the NCAAs sliding scale, clearinghouse, etc. Every year recruits are not accepted to UM because the NCAA holds them up, or the player did not have the grades to get into UM. Every season this happens.

The difference between football and basketball is football classes are anywhere from 20-25 deep, whereas a basketball class ranges from 2-4 per season (generally speaking). I just don't understand how schools constantly can't get it right. More checks and balances need to be established, because seasons can be ruined by the outcome (i.e. SJU 2012).

Thanks for the feedback.

Quote from: Moose on March 08, 2012, 08:51:11 PM

Quote from: PIB on March 08, 2012, 08:47:58 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 08, 2012, 08:25:26 PM

Quote from: PIB on March 08, 2012, 08:24:35 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 08, 2012, 08:00:58 PM

So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???

He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.

He was accepted to STJ.  Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.

If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?

I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).

I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.

The problem was he didn't meet NCAA requirements.  He was accepted into STJ.  Someone here mentioned this example.  A 4.0 HS student can be accepted to Harvard but if he didnt take and pass an NCAA required class at a certain level he will not be eligible to play.

Then SJU has to tighten up its admissions. They should be in alignment with the NCAA standards, especially when recruiting a D1 caliber athlete.

Side Note: As a University of Miami football fan, I am well aware of the NCAAs sliding scale, clearinghouse, etc. Every year recruits are not accepted to UM because the NCAA holds them up, or the player did not have the grades to get into UM. Every season this happens.

The difference between football and basketball is football classes are anywhere from 20-25 deep, whereas a basketball class ranges from 2-4 per season (generally speaking). I just don't understand how schools constantly can't get it right. More checks and balances need to be established, because seasons can be ruined by the outcome (i.e. SJU 2012).

Thanks for the feedback.

Miami has tighter admission standards than STJ to begin with.  STJ admissions are fine.  We don't know Pelle's specific academic issues all we know is he didn't meet NCAA marks.  He could have solid grades all around but was missing a class or didn't score well enough on boards. 

Not sure if you recall some posts I made early in the year when this was going down.  3 kids out of 9 is 33% of the class not initially making it.  With Amir finally coming on board 22% of the class didn't make it.  Some schools like Lville and Kansas had 50% and 75% of its class not make it.  The problem is we had just one marginal player coming back whereas these other schools had 4-5 man classes with returning players already on board.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 08, 2012, 09:39:25 PM

Quote from: PIB on March 08, 2012, 08:47:58 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 08, 2012, 08:25:26 PM

Quote from: PIB on March 08, 2012, 08:24:35 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 08, 2012, 08:00:58 PM

So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???

He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.

He was accepted to STJ.  Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.

If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?

I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).

I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.

For the record neither JaKarr nor Norvel ever enrolled at SJU so whether they were admitted is a moot point.  Think about it this way, what is to stop St. John's from admitting a monkey?  Absolutely nothing. 

The NCAA does not have anything to do with a school's admissions policy.  If for example Norvel enrolled at SJU and then was declared ineligible to play he could still theoretically attend SJU and go to class and get his degree. The NCAA cannot stop that.  The problem of course is that these kids are going to these schools for 1 major reason, and that is to play high major sports.  Thus ultimately when the NCAA fails to clear them it is the equivalent of the school not clearing him because obviously the only real reason that school wants him is because he can play a sport.

Once enrolled in college is there a way for these players to become NCAA eligible?   I mean theoretically can they finish their unmet requirements at the college level rather than go back to prep?   
Because I feel like I've heard of many other school's freshmen being ineligible, but the kid still enrolls there and becomes eligible in the spring or the next year.    Is that an option for players like Norvel, Jakarr etc

Not in the Big East.  That was the issue.

And again a school may admit a kid because THEY accept his transcripts, board scores etc.  And they reviewed it and they think he meets NCAA requirements.  But keep in mind the NCAA could invalidate a class or test score they think is a bit fishy.  So it is not even that the kid couldn't qualify, it is that the NCAA did not accept certain things that the school accepted that would have qualified him under normal circumstances.

I would like to hear about how Rob Thomas is doing? Anyone know?

I would like to hear about how Rob Thomas is doing? Anyone know?

Last I heard he was in Russia playing ball. 

I would like to hear about how Rob Thomas is doing? Anyone know?

create a new thread

Pelle has the whole year plus the summer to get his academics in order.. He doesnt seem stupid. You cant blame the guidence councelers or coaches. By now he knows the courses he needs to take and if he doesnt qualify, he only has himself to blame. It would be a shame because he is such a great talent with such high potential.

Memory Lane!

“@NealNieves: Sdsu Head coach Steve Fisher is watching Norvel Pelle.”

Norvel is the Dick Clark of high school basketball

Norvel is the Dick Clark of high school basketball

Too soon

Do not see him qualifying, but interesting to see Rhode Island in discussion. Hurley boys on road to success IMO.

“@AdamZagoria: Norvel Pelle Still on the Board http://t.co/RfPqmCQv @damn_Norvel @ramborasheed”

No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!

“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”

No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!

“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”

in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.

Quote from: paultzman on May 03, 2012, 11:56:24 AM

No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!

“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”

in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.

Outstanding point!  I really believe the unsupervised use of i-pods/pads/phones and the like and interactive online computer games are making this generation of kids super-inept at basic social skills.

Quote from: paultzman on May 03, 2012, 11:56:24 AM

No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!

“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”

in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.

Interesting point Chille. Having worked in the developmental disabilities field for 30 + years, I am sensitive to such issues. In Norvel's case, however, IMO, academics aside, he does not seem to be dedicated
to working on his BBall development. He is probably a great kid, but I fear the parade will pass him by. Hope I am wrong.

Quote from: Chilleb on May 03, 2012, 12:01:10 PM

Quote from: paultzman on May 03, 2012, 11:56:24 AM

No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!

“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”

in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.

Outstanding point!  I really believe the unsupervised use of i-pods/pads/phones and the like and interactive online computer games are making this generation of kids super-inept at basic social skills.

exactly

Quote from: Chilleb on May 03, 2012, 12:01:10 PM

Quote from: paultzman on May 03, 2012, 11:56:24 AM

No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!

“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”

in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.

Interesting point Chille. Having worked in the developmental disabilities field for 30 + years, I am sensitive to such issues. In Norvel's case, however, IMO, academics aside, he does not seem to be dedicated
to working on his BBall development. He is probably a great kid, but I fear the parade will pass him by. Hope I am wrong.

its mind boggling that after a full year to get everything in order it still isnt enough for some of these kids.. shaking my head.

Quote from: paultzman on May 03, 2012, 12:08:05 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on May 03, 2012, 12:01:10 PM

Quote from: paultzman on May 03, 2012, 11:56:24 AM

No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!

“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”

in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.

Interesting point Chille. Having worked in the developmental disabilities field for 30 + years, I am sensitive to such issues. In Norvel's case, however, IMO, academics aside, he does not seem to be dedicated
to working on his BBall development. He is probably a great kid, but I fear the parade will pass him by. Hope I am wrong.

its mind boggling that after a full year to get everything in order it still isnt enough for some of these kids.. shaking my head.

Unbelievable right.  I mean do you know how bad a student or lazy or completely disinterested in academics you have to be to be more than 1 year removed from your senior year and still are not qualified to play college ball??

When I was there, (EdD '97) STJ Grad School of ED a major force in Learning Styles led by Professor Rita Dunn, looked at multiple factors impacting learning.  Almost all academic technology is visual/auditory but the real pioneering stuff is in simulators and games which is starting to teach muscle memory and kinesthetics.  Major problem in Windows is that learned movements are visual context dependent (the same movement means different things in different programs).