Mason Jr. NBA Draft Watch

mason is sloppy offensively, a poor basketball IQ, poor jumper with poor form, loose dribble, turnover prone, lacks the strength to defend nba 3's or bang around with those guys on O, lacks the skills to play any other position, is injury prone, and did not win at the college level, nor has he been in his true game shape for about two years bc of those injuries...and im not just judging him on last year, this is his entire career for sju...when u got guys like dexter pitman or derrick caracter going late 2nd to undrafted, how is mason getting drafted?

mason is sloppy offensively, a poor basketball IQ, poor jumper with poor form, loose dribble, turnover prone, lacks the strength to defend nba 3's or bang around with those guys on O, lacks the skills to play any other position, is injury prone, and did not win at the college level, nor has he been in his true game shape for about two years bc of those injuries...and im not just judging him on last year, this is his entire career for sju...when u got guys like dexter pitman or derrick caracter going late 2nd to undrafted, how is mason getting drafted?

I wouldn't say Mason has a poor basketball IQ. He was one of the best facilitators on the team last season and made a lot of high IQ plays on both ends of the floor.

I wouldn't say Mason has a poor jumper either. Look around the NBA its amazing how many guys are just as inconsistent with their jumper as Mason is. I think he needs to find his rhythm back

I don't think Mason is turnover prone but do agree he needs to develop his ball handling.

Not sure I agree with the strength thing because anyone will benefit strength wise with an NBA S&C program. If you wanted to say he doesn't have it to be a 4 then I'd agree. 

You just compared two PF to mason? how does that translate?

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

So again what "tools" would Mason have to bring to the table in order to get drafted?

NBA shooting guards have to be able to shoot well.

Dave, howbout u tell us what quality mase brings that is on par w nba players?

And its not their duty t bring in a guy like mase.  Plenty of teams bring in guys who most likely won't make it, like pat riley doin his former player anthony mason sr a favor.  Teams also bring in local seniors who just graduated who may not have a chance either, as a courteousy. Come on dave, you are being a lil overboard.  Mase has not done anything in years to warrant serious consideration.

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

I tend to agree that Mason is as capable as anyone else as being the 10th or 11th man on an NBA roster. He's probably just as skilled as any of those dopes - and I'd certainly rather have Mason as my 10th man than eg the greatest shooter in history slash poet laureate JJ Reddick, aka the no trick pony. However, having gone to SJ is going to hurt AMJ's prospects in the same way that attending DoOk or NC or Ohio State or UCLA bolsters the prospects of similarly talented individuals (although perhaps his father's network can overcome that.)  The real issue with Mason Jr though is his health - he has not played an uninjured season since about 2005, and there's every indication that his health issues are systemic, like say Grant Hill or Rocco Baldelli or JD Drew. There's a lot of 6'7" athletic streaky shooters around who aren't always breaking bones in their feet and they're more likely to get a look or a contract than is Mason.

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 01:42:26 AM

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

A terrible defender? really? I really disagree here. Mase was a good on ball defender in addition to off the ball. He altered and blocked shots and disrupted passing lanes.

We also witnessed Mason play on a depleted St. John's squad in one of the worst offensive schemes ever witnessed and in some ways he actually shined despite that.

I think Mason needs to work on a lot of things if he truly wants to play in the NBA but he certainly possesses attributes and qualities that could enable him to make it.

and I'd certainly rather have Mason as my 10th man than eg the greatest shooter in history slash poet laureate JJ Reddick, aka the no trick pony.

You just proved yourself to be an idiot.  JJ Redick was a deadly option for the Magic in the playoffs.  He's their 6th or 7th man.  His basketball IQ is through the roof, and he has worked on his defense to become a good NBA player.

This season he averaged 9.6 points per game in 22 minutes per game.  His assist to turnover ratio is about 2.5:1, he shot 44% overall, and 41% from 3.   In the playoffs, the offense flowed much better with him in, and the Magic should have played him more.

Your hatred for Duke is just ridiculous.  There is plenty of things to make fun of Duke for, but JJ Redick as a basketball player is not one of them.  Shelden not even being able to hold onto a rebound for the Celtics is funny.  JJ is a professional, and a decent NBA player at that.

Quote from: pmg911 on June 22, 2010, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 01:42:26 AM

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

A terrible defender? really? I really disagree here. Mase was a good on ball defender in addition to off the ball. He altered and blocked shots and disrupted passing lanes.

We also witnessed Mason play on a depleted St. John's squad in one of the worst offensive schemes ever witnessed and in some ways he actually shined despite that.

I think Mason needs to work on a lot of things if he truly wants to play in the NBA but he certainly possesses attributes and qualities that could enable him to make it.

Anthony Mason trying to guard Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade or Ray Allen would be comical.  Mase is very far from being an NBA player, and IF he becomes one, it will be at small forward.  He doesn't have the handle or shooting consistency OR defense to guard quick shooting guards.  Not gonna happen.

He might make a team for a few years as an end of the bench guy, but guys like Mase are a dime a dozen, and the others aren't nearly as injury prone.

Mase should go to Europe, shack up in a villa with some greek women giving his aching body massages all day long, and make some $ while enjoying his 20s.  No shame at all in that.

JJ looked like an 8th grader running around out there in the Celtics Magic series.

Back on topic.  Mason has little chance at the NBA.  He has potential on D, he has a decent jumpshot, but ballhandling is a big problem.  He did not look good this year coming back from injury.  He completely lost his rhythm and still didn't seem to have it by the end of the season.  There is plenty of guys that have stuck in the NBA by being spot up shooters and lock down defenders.  Best of luck to him but I just don't see it.

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 22, 2010, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 01:42:26 AM

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

A terrible defender? really? I really disagree here. Mase was a good on ball defender in addition to off the ball. He altered and blocked shots and disrupted passing lanes.

We also witnessed Mason play on a depleted St. John's squad in one of the worst offensive schemes ever witnessed and in some ways he actually shined despite that.

I think Mason needs to work on a lot of things if he truly wants to play in the NBA but he certainly possesses attributes and qualities that could enable him to make it.

Anthony Mason trying to guard Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade or Ray Allen would be comical.  Mase is very far from being an NBA player, and IF he becomes one, it will be at small forward.  He doesn't have the handle or shooting consistency OR defense to guard quick shooting guards.  Not gonna happen.

He might make a team for a few years as an end of the bench guy, but guys like Mase are a dime a dozen, and the others aren't nearly as injury prone.

Mase should go to Europe, shack up in a villa with some greek women giving his aching body massages all day long, and make some $ while enjoying his 20s.  No shame at all in that.

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

no way is mase as strong as dudley, nor anywhere near the college basketball player he was

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Please please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not compare Mase Jr. to Jared Dudley in any way shape or form.  It's an absurd comparison and way off.

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 10:38:15 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 22, 2010, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 01:42:26 AM

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

A terrible defender? really? I really disagree here. Mase was a good on ball defender in addition to off the ball. He altered and blocked shots and disrupted passing lanes.

We also witnessed Mason play on a depleted St. John's squad in one of the worst offensive schemes ever witnessed and in some ways he actually shined despite that.

I think Mason needs to work on a lot of things if he truly wants to play in the NBA but he certainly possesses attributes and qualities that could enable him to make it.

Anthony Mason trying to guard Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade or Ray Allen would be comical.  Mase is very far from being an NBA player, and IF he becomes one, it will be at small forward.  He doesn't have the handle or shooting consistency OR defense to guard quick shooting guards.  Not gonna happen.

He might make a team for a few years as an end of the bench guy, but guys like Mase are a dime a dozen, and the others aren't nearly as injury prone.

Mase should go to Europe, shack up in a villa with some greek women giving his aching body massages all day long, and make some $ while enjoying his 20s.  No shame at all in that.

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Name a SG Mase CAN compete with in the NBA?  Iguodala? Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili? Eric Gordon? Ben Gordon? Richard Hamilton? Gilbert Arenas? Come on....

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 11:08:29 AM

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 10:38:15 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 22, 2010, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 01:42:26 AM

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

A terrible defender? really? I really disagree here. Mase was a good on ball defender in addition to off the ball. He altered and blocked shots and disrupted passing lanes.

We also witnessed Mason play on a depleted St. John's squad in one of the worst offensive schemes ever witnessed and in some ways he actually shined despite that.

I think Mason needs to work on a lot of things if he truly wants to play in the NBA but he certainly possesses attributes and qualities that could enable him to make it.

Anthony Mason trying to guard Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade or Ray Allen would be comical.  Mase is very far from being an NBA player, and IF he becomes one, it will be at small forward.  He doesn't have the handle or shooting consistency OR defense to guard quick shooting guards.  Not gonna happen.

He might make a team for a few years as an end of the bench guy, but guys like Mase are a dime a dozen, and the others aren't nearly as injury prone.

Mase should go to Europe, shack up in a villa with some greek women giving his aching body massages all day long, and make some $ while enjoying his 20s.  No shame at all in that.

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Name a SG Mase CAN compete with in the NBA?  Iguodala? Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili? Eric Gordon? Ben Gordon? Richard Hamilton? Gilbert Arenas? Come on....

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Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 11:08:29 AM

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Please please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not compare Mase Jr. to Jared Dudley in any way shape or form.  It's an absurd comparison and way off.

How is it absurd? Are you going to tell me that Dudley was somehow NBA material in your eyes coming out senior year?

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 12:12:43 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 11:08:29 AM

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Please please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not compare Mase Jr. to Jared Dudley in any way shape or form.  It's an absurd comparison and way off.

How is it absurd? Are you going to tell me that Dudley was somehow NBA material in your eyes coming out senior year?

 Dudley was borderline NBA material coming out of college.  Problem is, he was still 10x better than Mase Jr senior year.  That's the point.  I think.

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 11:08:29 AM

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 10:38:15 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 22, 2010, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 01:42:26 AM

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

A terrible defender? really? I really disagree here. Mase was a good on ball defender in addition to off the ball. He altered and blocked shots and disrupted passing lanes.

We also witnessed Mason play on a depleted St. John's squad in one of the worst offensive schemes ever witnessed and in some ways he actually shined despite that.

I think Mason needs to work on a lot of things if he truly wants to play in the NBA but he certainly possesses attributes and qualities that could enable him to make it.

Anthony Mason trying to guard Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade or Ray Allen would be comical.  Mase is very far from being an NBA player, and IF he becomes one, it will be at small forward.  He doesn't have the handle or shooting consistency OR defense to guard quick shooting guards.  Not gonna happen.

He might make a team for a few years as an end of the bench guy, but guys like Mase are a dime a dozen, and the others aren't nearly as injury prone.

Mase should go to Europe, shack up in a villa with some greek women giving his aching body massages all day long, and make some $ while enjoying his 20s.  No shame at all in that.

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Name a SG Mase CAN compete with in the NBA?  Iguodala? Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili? Eric Gordon? Ben Gordon? Richard Hamilton? Gilbert Arenas? Come on....

Aaron Affalo
Daequan Cook
Mardy Collins
Matt Carroll
Carlos Delfino
Willie Green
Francisco Garcia
Luther Head
Jarvis Hayes
Trenton Hassell
Malik Hairston
Cedric Jackson
Dahnty Jones
Courtney Lee
Jamario Moon
Mike Miller
Adam Morrison
CJ Miles
Jodie Meeks
Roger Mason
Steve Novak <--- I still hate him for killing us in BET
Kevin Ollie
Ronnie Price
Mo Peterson
Aleksandar Pavlovic
Anthony Parker
Quinton Ross
Q Richardson
Garrett Temple
Jermaine Taylor <--- Central Florida
Reggie Williams <---- did you really know about him out of virginia military?
Sonny Weems
Kyle Weaver
Mario West
Antoine Wright

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 12:14:53 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 11:08:29 AM

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 10:38:15 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 22, 2010, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 01:42:26 AM

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

A terrible defender? really? I really disagree here. Mase was a good on ball defender in addition to off the ball. He altered and blocked shots and disrupted passing lanes.

We also witnessed Mason play on a depleted St. John's squad in one of the worst offensive schemes ever witnessed and in some ways he actually shined despite that.

I think Mason needs to work on a lot of things if he truly wants to play in the NBA but he certainly possesses attributes and qualities that could enable him to make it.

Anthony Mason trying to guard Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade or Ray Allen would be comical.  Mase is very far from being an NBA player, and IF he becomes one, it will be at small forward.  He doesn't have the handle or shooting consistency OR defense to guard quick shooting guards.  Not gonna happen.

He might make a team for a few years as an end of the bench guy, but guys like Mase are a dime a dozen, and the others aren't nearly as injury prone.

Mase should go to Europe, shack up in a villa with some greek women giving his aching body massages all day long, and make some $ while enjoying his 20s.  No shame at all in that.

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Name a SG Mase CAN compete with in the NBA?  Iguodala? Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili? Eric Gordon? Ben Gordon? Richard Hamilton? Gilbert Arenas? Come on....

Aaron Affalo
Daequan Cook
Mardy Collins
Matt Carroll
Carlos Delfino
Willie Green
Francisco Garcia
Luther Head
Jarvis Hayes
Trenton Hassell
Malik Hairston
Cedric Jackson
Dahnty Jones
Courtney Lee
Jamario Moon
Mike Miller
Adam Morrison
CJ Miles
Jodie Meeks
Roger Mason
Steve Novak <--- I still hate him for killing us in BET
Kevin Ollie
Ronnie Price
Mo Peterson
Aleksandar Pavlovic
Anthony Parker
Quinton Ross
Q Richardson
Garrett Temple
Jermaine Taylor <--- Central Florida
Reggie Williams <---- did you really know about him out of virginia military?
Sonny Weems
Kyle Weaver
Mario West
Antoine Wright

man you are giving this kid a lot of credit...he couldnt hang with those types of kids when they were in college, why could he now that they're pros, and hes regressed

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 08:08:36 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 12:12:43 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 11:08:29 AM

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Please please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not compare Mase Jr. to Jared Dudley in any way shape or form.  It's an absurd comparison and way off.

How is it absurd? Are you going to tell me that Dudley was somehow NBA material in your eyes coming out senior year?

 Dudley was borderline NBA material coming out of college.  Problem is, he was still 10x better than Mase Jr senior year.  That's the point.  I think.

You can really only compare their junior years to be fair...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=27342

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=17911

Sure Dudley was better but its not that drastic

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 09:03:34 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 12:14:53 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 11:08:29 AM

Quote from: Tha Kid on June 22, 2010, 10:38:15 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 22, 2010, 10:00:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2010, 01:42:26 AM

I also think Mason can play SG in the NBA.

 

That is comical...   what single thing does he do well enough to play #2 in the NBA. He is NOT a good shooter, he is a terrible ball handler handler and he is a TERRIBLE defender. He did rebound well for a wing in college but not well enough to get a spot in the NBA.

A terrible defender? really? I really disagree here. Mase was a good on ball defender in addition to off the ball. He altered and blocked shots and disrupted passing lanes.

We also witnessed Mason play on a depleted St. John's squad in one of the worst offensive schemes ever witnessed and in some ways he actually shined despite that.

I think Mason needs to work on a lot of things if he truly wants to play in the NBA but he certainly possesses attributes and qualities that could enable him to make it.

Anthony Mason trying to guard Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade or Ray Allen would be comical.  Mase is very far from being an NBA player, and IF he becomes one, it will be at small forward.  He doesn't have the handle or shooting consistency OR defense to guard quick shooting guards.  Not gonna happen.

He might make a team for a few years as an end of the bench guy, but guys like Mase are a dime a dozen, and the others aren't nearly as injury prone.

Mase should go to Europe, shack up in a villa with some greek women giving his aching body massages all day long, and make some $ while enjoying his 20s.  No shame at all in that.

So now we're going from making a team to guarding the 3 best SG in the NBA. Mason is every bit as quick/strong as Jared Dudley and he didn't do so bad against Kobe. Either way I'm not painted Mason to be a lock down defender but he could hold his own.

Name a SG Mase CAN compete with in the NBA?  Iguodala? Joe Johnson? Manu Ginobili? Eric Gordon? Ben Gordon? Richard Hamilton? Gilbert Arenas? Come on....

Aaron Affalo
Daequan Cook
Mardy Collins
Matt Carroll
Carlos Delfino
Willie Green
Francisco Garcia
Luther Head
Jarvis Hayes
Trenton Hassell
Malik Hairston
Cedric Jackson
Dahnty Jones
Courtney Lee
Jamario Moon
Mike Miller
Adam Morrison
CJ Miles
Jodie Meeks
Roger Mason
Steve Novak <--- I still hate him for killing us in BET
Kevin Ollie
Ronnie Price
Mo Peterson
Aleksandar Pavlovic
Anthony Parker
Quinton Ross
Q Richardson
Garrett Temple
Jermaine Taylor <--- Central Florida
Reggie Williams <---- did you really know about him out of virginia military?
Sonny Weems
Kyle Weaver
Mario West
Antoine Wright

man you are giving this kid a lot of credit...he couldnt hang with those types of kids when they were in college, why could he now that they're pros, and hes regressed

Question was who could he compete with. He can certainly compete with those guys for a roster spot. Will he beat them out? Maybe yes, maybe no but he can certainly compete with them.