Mason Jr. NBA Draft Watch

Lance Stephenson is not an NBA basketball player.  Any coach or GM that even gives this kid a chance is a fool. 

I can't believe teams are working out Mason...he really is not NBA material...at all...and its not close

I can't believe teams are working out Mason...he really is not NBA material...at all...and its not close

Its not uncommon to get workouts. GMs would get fired if they weren't pursuing every potential player. Also to say he isn't NBA material is a little off base. Would you say Chris Quinn is NBA material? He's been in the league for quite some time now. Its all about the right fit and Mase certainly offers size, athleticism, and range. You never know.

Quote from: P1NSTR1PEZ on June 20, 2010, 12:34:39 AM

I can't believe teams are working out Mason...he really is not NBA material...at all...and its not close

Its not uncommon to get workouts. GMs would get fired if they weren't pursuing every potential player. Also to say he isn't NBA material is a little off base. Would you say Chris Quinn is NBA material? He's been in the league for quite some time now. Its all about the right fit and Mase certainly offers size, athleticism, and range. You never know.

Chris Quinn is NBA material because he's unbelievable at one aspect of basketball - shooting.  Mason does not provide anything "unbelievable" and not really anything "great" either.  He does a lot of things "very well."  Maybe if he hadn't been so injured he'd have a shot, but I see him in Europe.

Tell me when was Chris Quinn labeled a "shooter"

I think he is smart and works incredibly hard but I wouldn't classify him as being a specialist. He wasn't in college nor has he been in the pros.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=11220

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_quinn/index.html

Tell me when was Chris Quinn labeled a "shooter"

I think he is smart and works incredibly hard but I wouldn't classify him as being a specialist. He wasn't in college nor has he been in the pros.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=11220

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_quinn/index.html

What are you not seeing?  First of all, he was ALWAYS labeled a shooter, and if you watched any ND games you would have known that.

Secondly, he averaged 70 made 3's per year his last THREE seasons at ND.  That's enough to give Carmine enough orgasms to last a lifetime.  3rd, as a junior he hit 3's at a 45.5% clip, and as a senior at a 42% clip.  Again, that is a SHOOTER.

Lastly, nearly half his shots in the NBA ar 3s.  Chris Quinn is not in the NBA for his ball handling.

Come on dave...you are seriously swinging and missing here.

3's are the only way he'd get shots off in the NBA. He's too short and too slow to get anything inside. His job is to make FT and hold onto the ball.

3's are the only way he'd get shots off in the NBA. He's too short and too slow to get anything inside. His job is to make FT and hold onto the ball.

You are actually gonna sit here and tell me Chris Quinn is in the NBA but is not a "shooter"?

How many 3s and what 3% makes someone a shooter?  Does 70 3s a year in college and 45% and 42% in his junior and senior year not classify as a "shooter"?

Come on bro...you are just blind to the stats right now.  Did you ever watch ND play when Quinn was on the team?

Lazar Hayward made 70 threes this season too. Is he a shooter?

Tha Kid the real question is did Chris Quinn have more NBA potential coming out of college than AMJ does?

Tha Kid the real question is did Chris Quinn have more NBA potential coming out of college than AMJ does?

I already posted that answer above.  It's an unequivocal yes because of his shooting ability.  Mason doesn't have any NBA level talent the way that Quinn does with shooting.

Now howbout answering my question, do you really not think the only reason Chris Quinn is on an NBA roster is bc he can shoot?

chris quinn did not get drafted...that being said, he did make a roster, bc he proved in 4 years at ND that he was a guard who could shoot well, run an offense well, and play mistake free basketball...for the position of pg that was good enough at the time to make the heats roster at a time when they felt he could help them...hes stuck around by being the same type of player...mason, being at the SF position would have to bring a completely different set of tools to the table to make a roster...tools he doesnt possess at this time

Quote from: Dave on June 21, 2010, 04:39:41 PM

Tha Kid the real question is did Chris Quinn have more NBA potential coming out of college than AMJ does?

I already posted that answer above.  It's an unequivocal yes because of his shooting ability.  Mason doesn't have any NBA level talent the way that Quinn does with shooting.

Now howbout answering my question, do you really not think the only reason Chris Quinn is on an NBA roster is bc he can shoot?

Quinn is kept on the roster for his ability to facilitate the offense turnover free more so than he is to shoot the ball.

Quote from: Dave on June 21, 2010, 04:39:41 PM

Tha Kid the real question is did Chris Quinn have more NBA potential coming out of college than AMJ does?

I already posted that answer above.  It's an unequivocal yes because of his shooting ability.  Mason doesn't have any NBA level talent the way that Quinn does with shooting.

Now howbout answering my question, do you really not think the only reason Chris Quinn is on an NBA roster is bc he can shoot?

No you can find just as capable if not better shooters out there than Quinn. He's certainly a capable shooter but he's on the roster due to his ability to facilitate the offense turnover free in his limited time on the court. They don't put him out there to shoot but just keep the pace and flow the same while the starter rests. He's a clone to John Crotty and his role he played for the Heat and Tim Hardaway.

Chances are Quinn will be out of the NBA after his contract runs out with the Nets.

Anyways Mason has shown NBA shooting range and with his athleticism teams may or may not take a flyer on him. Either way my point is there are guys in the NBA who didn't quite have "nba" hype coming out of college. Mason could be one of those guys. I'm not pegging him to be drafted but its certainly worth discussing and having fun with during the offseason.

chris quinn did not get drafted...that being said, he did make a roster, bc he proved in 4 years at ND that he was a guard who could shoot well, run an offense well, and play mistake free basketball...for the position of pg that was good enough at the time to make the heats roster at a time when they felt he could help them...hes stuck around by being the same type of player...mason, being at the SF position would have to bring a completely different set of tools to the table to make a roster...tools he doesnt possess at this time

What tools are you speaking of?

Quote from: SJD on June 21, 2010, 08:26:11 PM

chris quinn did not get drafted...that being said, he did make a roster, bc he proved in 4 years at ND that he was a guard who could shoot well, run an offense well, and play mistake free basketball...for the position of pg that was good enough at the time to make the heats roster at a time when they felt he could help them...hes stuck around by being the same type of player...mason, being at the SF position would have to bring a completely different set of tools to the table to make a roster...tools he doesnt possess at this time

What tools are you speaking of?

i was being generous by leaving my statement at what i said dave...if we're actually going to discus this, u care to humor me as to what tools he does possess?  i know hes anthony mason jr, and i know what hes meant to this program for 5 years but please make a real argument as to him either A) being one of the top 60 amateur players in the world, so he would get drafted, or B) being good enough to get a contract anytime thereafter...i dont even see anyone humoring the kid and giving him workouts...as far as i know, hes gotten 1..he'll be blessed to make a preseason roster

Quote from: Dave on June 21, 2010, 08:36:03 PM

Quote from: SJD on June 21, 2010, 08:26:11 PM

chris quinn did not get drafted...that being said, he did make a roster, bc he proved in 4 years at ND that he was a guard who could shoot well, run an offense well, and play mistake free basketball...for the position of pg that was good enough at the time to make the heats roster at a time when they felt he could help them...hes stuck around by being the same type of player...mason, being at the SF position would have to bring a completely different set of tools to the table to make a roster...tools he doesnt possess at this time

What tools are you speaking of?

i was being generous by leaving my statement at what i said dave...if we're actually going to discus this, u care to humor me as to what tools he does possess?  i know hes anthony mason jr, and i know what hes meant to this program for 5 years but please make a real argument as to him either A) being one of the top 60 amateur players in the world, so he would get drafted, or B) being good enough to get a contract anytime thereafter...i dont even see anyone humoring the kid and giving him workouts...as far as i know, hes gotten 1..he'll be blessed to make a preseason roster

He's worked out for 3 teams that I know of...

http://johnnyjungle.com/jaden-daly/past-present-celebrate-their-future/

Also you made a statement of what he doesn't bring the set of tools to make a roster. AMJ or not what tools should one require according to you? Please don't be defensive either, I'm simply just asking out of curiosity. Once you respond I'll be more than happy to share my opinion whether I agree or disagree with you in terms of how AMJ measures up.

I said it earlier in this thread too but GMs are going to work out everyone. They would be fired if they missed out on someone because they didn't work them out when they could have. There have been plenty of players who weren't touted out of highschool, college, and went on to have nice NBA careers.

Mason Jr., to this point, has not demonstrated any tool, or combination of tools, that would put him in the top 450 players in the world.

Perhaps if he stays injury free and bulks up, he may be able to be a 10th or 11th man bc of the total package and positive attitude he brings. But, he won't be drafted and will likely have to prove this in the nbdl or europe.

Regardless if you think quinn is in the nba bc of shooting or running an offense, he does both of those better than mason does ANYTHING.

PLENTY of guys get worked out who have no shot at being drafted. When your father is anthony mason, you are gonna get a few workouts.

Mason will be nbdl or europe next year. Period. You disagree or agree dave?

Mason isn't getting NBA workouts because of his father. His agent has more pull in his pinky than Mason Sr. has on that.  I think Mason will be going overseas but if he were to have awesome draft camps I could see him going 2nd round.

So its no coincidene pat riley gave mase one of his workouts?  You are sounding a little naïve, dave...

So its no coincidene pat riley gave mase one of his workouts?  You are sounding a little naïve, dave...

3 newspapers have reported his workouts and I'm sure he has probably a dozen more unreported. His father carries no weight and giving workouts isn't a favor its their duty.