Nurideen Lindsey - PG - Redlands CC - Philadelphia, PA - ST. JOHN'S

Quote from: STJFAN on June 28, 2011, 03:20:56 PM

Quote from: Moose on June 28, 2011, 11:46:25 AM

Quote from: Poison on June 28, 2011, 11:35:13 AM

How do we have clue that Nuri playing in LA is an example of him avoiding his academics?

We don't.  But its valid question to ask.

All we heard was he needed the summer to catch up so he had 3 yrs of eligibility left.  A few weeks back he was playing in the Sonny Hill League in Philly.  Far cry from Redlands.  Now yes he could be taking classes at a Philly JUCO.  Not unheard of.  But then he's playing at Rucker.  And now he's in the Drew League in LA.  Sure getting around.

It is a valid question although I would say how certain are we that Nuri even needed to take summer classes to catch up? So many of these rumors are false like Amir not playing two sports. Until I find out otherwise, I will subscribe to the notion that Nuri playing in all of these tournaments simply indicates that he didn't need to take any summer courses and he will be ready to play for us in the fall. 

He sat out an entire year of school.  It was documented in all the writeups after he committed.  The NYT article, Dave's feature as well.  Heck I think STJ write ups alluded to him catching up in school work so he would have 3 years, since most JUCO's only have 2.

A lot of our recruits have question marks.  The level of severity varies.  But this one to me is more pressing than Amir as an example.

Yes but catching up on classes so he will have 3 years of eligibility instead of 2 is totally different than if he will qualify at all which is what I thought the concern was with him needing to catch up on classes. Whether he has 3 or 2 years remaining, i believe he still suits up for us in the fall.

Quote from: Moose on June 28, 2011, 03:29:49 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on June 28, 2011, 03:20:56 PM

Quote from: Moose on June 28, 2011, 11:46:25 AM

Quote from: Poison on June 28, 2011, 11:35:13 AM

How do we have clue that Nuri playing in LA is an example of him avoiding his academics?

We don't.  But its valid question to ask.

All we heard was he needed the summer to catch up so he had 3 yrs of eligibility left.  A few weeks back he was playing in the Sonny Hill League in Philly.  Far cry from Redlands.  Now yes he could be taking classes at a Philly JUCO.  Not unheard of.  But then he's playing at Rucker.  And now he's in the Drew League in LA.  Sure getting around.

It is a valid question although I would say how certain are we that Nuri even needed to take summer classes to catch up? So many of these rumors are false like Amir not playing two sports. Until I find out otherwise, I will subscribe to the notion that Nuri playing in all of these tournaments simply indicates that he didn't need to take any summer courses and he will be ready to play for us in the fall. 

He sat out an entire year of school.  It was documented in all the writeups after he committed.  The NYT article, Dave's feature as well.  Heck I think STJ write ups alluded to him catching up in school work so he would have 3 years, since most JUCO's only have 2.

A lot of our recruits have question marks.  The level of severity varies.  But this one to me is more pressing than Amir as an example.

Yes but catching up on classes so he will have 3 years of eligibility instead of 2 is totally different than if he will qualify at all which is what I thought the concern was with him needing to catch up on classes. Whether he has 3 or 2 years remaining, i believe he still suits up for us in the fall.

It is qualifying.  That's what it boils down to.  The only reason he can play 3 years is because he only played 1 of JUCO.  Thats irrelevant and just an gravy.  He is by far the most mysterious recruit we have coming in.  High accolades, NBA talk, obscure JC in the middle of nowhere, hitting all the summer tournaments in major cities, older, hasn't played in a few yrs.

Maybe I'm just a little curious why schools like Rutgers seems to have all their kids on campus already and playing in summer leagues together and we only seem to have Gift right now.

Quote from: STJFAN on June 28, 2011, 05:09:41 PM

Quote from: Moose on June 28, 2011, 03:29:49 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on June 28, 2011, 03:20:56 PM

Quote from: Moose on June 28, 2011, 11:46:25 AM

Quote from: Poison on June 28, 2011, 11:35:13 AM

How do we have clue that Nuri playing in LA is an example of him avoiding his academics?

We don't.  But its valid question to ask.

All we heard was he needed the summer to catch up so he had 3 yrs of eligibility left.  A few weeks back he was playing in the Sonny Hill League in Philly.  Far cry from Redlands.  Now yes he could be taking classes at a Philly JUCO.  Not unheard of.  But then he's playing at Rucker.  And now he's in the Drew League in LA.  Sure getting around.

It is a valid question although I would say how certain are we that Nuri even needed to take summer classes to catch up? So many of these rumors are false like Amir not playing two sports. Until I find out otherwise, I will subscribe to the notion that Nuri playing in all of these tournaments simply indicates that he didn't need to take any summer courses and he will be ready to play for us in the fall. 

He sat out an entire year of school.  It was documented in all the writeups after he committed.  The NYT article, Dave's feature as well.  Heck I think STJ write ups alluded to him catching up in school work so he would have 3 years, since most JUCO's only have 2.

A lot of our recruits have question marks.  The level of severity varies.  But this one to me is more pressing than Amir as an example.

Yes but catching up on classes so he will have 3 years of eligibility instead of 2 is totally different than if he will qualify at all which is what I thought the concern was with him needing to catch up on classes. Whether he has 3 or 2 years remaining, i believe he still suits up for us in the fall.

It is qualifying.  That's what it boils down to.  The only reason he can play 3 years is because he only played 1 of JUCO.  Thats irrelevant and just an gravy.  He is by far the most mysterious recruit we have coming in.  High accolades, NBA talk, obscure JC in the middle of nowhere, hitting all the summer tournaments in major cities, older, hasn't played in a few yrs.

Maybe I'm just a little curious why schools like Rutgers seems to have all their kids on campus already and playing in summer leagues together and we only seem to have Gift right now.

As far as I know, we rarely have most of the kids on campus before July.  Gods gift is taking some classes in summer session 1.  My guess is that Labin will have most kids on campus for summer session 2 which starts July 7th, although specific classes for these kids might start a few days later if they are needed.  Lindsey is still tweeting about being excited to play at SJU and last reports when he signed on were that his gap was quite good if I remember correctly, so it's not a grades issue.  Last reports were that Pelle is due on campus July 11th. 

As far as our other recruits, as far as we know, Greene, Harrison, Harkless, Sampson and pointer are all qualified.  No reports that the NCAA is even looking into anything additional with regards to Harkless nor Quality Education, but we'll find out soon enough.

It is qualifying.  That's what it boils down to.  The only reason he can play 3 years is because he only played 1 of JUCO.  Thats irrelevant and just an gravy.  He is by far the most mysterious recruit we have coming in.  High accolades, NBA talk, obscure JC in the middle of nowhere, hitting all the summer tournaments in major cities, older, hasn't played in a few yrs.

Maybe I'm just a little curious why schools like Rutgers seems to have all their kids on campus already and playing in summer leagues together and we only seem to have Gift right now.

I believe Harrison is currently on campus now.  It was reported about two weeks ago that he would be on campus on June 20th.  If, that is the case then he should already be on campus.

Its June- I'm not concerned at all.

The kids deserve a few weeks to relax after graduation.

If I remember 2nd summer session starts around July 11 ?
Thats probably when they show up on campus.

It comes down to applying yourself.

If you don't apply yourself at all, you probably won't qualify, unless you're trying to
enroll at Florida State.

With just minimal effort, even a kid with below average intelligence should be able to qualify.

It was interesting to read in light of all this eligibility talk and when players are arriving to see this story from Zags that Jabari Hinds will be qualified and on campus in August.  Almost seems like it was written to dispel rumors that he wouldn't be but I really never heard anything about question marks around Hinds.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/30/west-virginias-hinds-expected-to-qualify/

I'll go back to what I said earlier.  It is not unusual for players to not be cleared until late or denied clearance.  Happens all the time.

The only difference is SJU fans are spending more time discussing this simply because of the enthusiasm over the caliber of recruits we have landed and the fact that so much is being counted on from them because of the massive roster turnover taking place.

Just have to relax.

It was interesting to read in light of all this eligibility talk and when players are arriving to see this story from Zags that Jabari Hinds will be qualified and on campus in August.  Almost seems like it was written to dispel rumors that he wouldn't be but I really never heard anything about question marks around Hinds.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/30/west-virginias-hinds-expected-to-qualify/

Here is more about the Hinds thing.  Sounds like scores/grades maybe aren't up to par.

http://www.wemustignitethiscouch.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=19052&forum=1

Tweeted per stjbb out of the official sju offices:"The rest of the guys will be on campus soon and we can begin the countdown to the upcoming season!"

Like Fordham said, we all just need to be patient.  Not as many questions about the recruits as the many fans making it.  IMO fordham is right, as we as fans have a lot riding on the transition into this season and we'll all be worried until we see the official roster.  It's understandable.

Just because a recruit is on campus and taking summer classes, it doesn't mean the player is fully qualified for athletic participation.

Just because a recruit is on campus and taking summer classes, it doesn't mean the player is fully qualified for athletic participation.

It usually means that the kid is enrolled at SJU.  Most players don't start their freshman coursework, which is what the summer session is, before being qualified, or am I missing something??  You have to be enrolled at SJU to start coursework.  How many times have you seen an elite recruit enrolled and then not qualify?

Quote from: pmg911 on July 01, 2011, 08:44:44 AM

Just because a recruit is on campus and taking summer classes, it doesn't mean the player is fully qualified for athletic participation.

It usually means that the kid is enrolled at SJU.  Most players don't start their freshman coursework, which is what the summer session is, before being qualified, or am I missing something??  You have to be enrolled at SJU to start coursework.  How many times have you seen an elite recruit enrolled and then not qualify?

Technically pmg is correct.  Because schools admitting a kid does not necessarily mean the NCAA has cleared the kid.  Schools can admit anyone they want for any reason.  Their admissions policy has nothing to do with the NCAA clearing the kid to play athletics.

However it still would be a good sign.  Not sure if it applies to summer school but remember if you enroll a kid prior to having the NCAA clearing that player then under BE rules you have committed yourself to that kid.  Meaning if the NCAA comes back and denies him clearance then not only is he immediately ineligible to play under BE rules but he now can no longer ever play for you or any other BE school period. 

See Michael Glover for SHU.  Glover's problem was not merely that he failed to get therough the NCAA Eligiblity Center, it was that he enrolled at SHU while he awaited both his clearance and appeal.  So even when Glover went JUCO he could no longer go back to SHU or any other BE school.  Same with Darnel Dodson of Pitt.  He wanted to go back to Pitt but under BE rules because he had enrolled in 2007 and then left in October after he was denied clearance and went to a JUCO in Miami he was not allowed to go back to Pitt or any BE school.  Ended up at Memphis.

Bottom line is though while not definitive having them on campus taking classes would be a very good sign.

Quote from: MCNPA on July 01, 2011, 08:52:24 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on July 01, 2011, 08:44:44 AM

Just because a recruit is on campus and taking summer classes, it doesn't mean the player is fully qualified for athletic participation.

It usually means that the kid is enrolled at SJU.  Most players don't start their freshman coursework, which is what the summer session is, before being qualified, or am I missing something??  You have to be enrolled at SJU to start coursework.  How many times have you seen an elite recruit enrolled and then not qualify?

Technically pmg is correct.  Because schools admitting a kid does not necessarily mean the NCAA has cleared the kid.  Schools can admit anyone they want for any reason.  Their admissions policy has nothing to do with the NCAA clearing the kid to play athletics.

However it still would be a good sign.  Not sure if it applies to summer school but remember if you enroll a kid prior to having the NCAA clearing that player then under BE rules you have committed yourself to that kid.  Meaning if the NCAA comes back and denies him clearance then not only is he immediately ineligible to play under BE rules but he now can no longer ever play for you or any other BE school period. 

See Michael Glover for SHU.  Glover's problem was not merely that he failed to get therough the NCAA Eligiblity Center, it was that he enrolled at SHU while he awaited both his clearance and appeal.  So even when Glover went JUCO he could no longer go back to SHU or any other BE school.  Same with Darnel Dodson of Pitt.  He wanted to go back to Pitt but under BE rules because he had enrolled in 2007 and then left in October after he was denied clearance and went to a JUCO in Miami he was not allowed to go back to Pitt or any BE school.  Ended up at Memphis.

Bottom line is though while not definitive it would be a good sign having would be a very good sign.

Exactly my point Fordham.  Elite kids don't go to their school's summer session, start classes while waiting for eligibility for the reasons you mentioned.  I will say that I don't see any of our recruits jeopardizing eligibility while waiting for eligibility, which was my initial point.  It rarely ever happens, but much like you pointed out it did with Glover.

The same rules apply with summer school as the kid still has to be enrolled, and summer session courses count just like the fall and spring semesters. 

Nurideen and Amir are playing in another Philly league with NBA and college players called the Rankin Anderson league. Its definitely good that they are getting used to playing together against some great talent. Hopefully the coursework is taken care of. Article doesn't talk about Nurideen and Amir other than them playing in the league.

The Rankin-Anderson league includes some of the best talent around. Along with White, other players in action Friday night included former Kansas State forward Akeem Wright, former Temple center Wayne Marshall, former UTEP guard Stefon Jackson, incoming St. John’s recruits Nurideen Lindsay and Amir Garrett, and former Drexel guard Jeff Myers. Other players in the league include John Salmons, Hakim Warrick, Sean Singletary, Mardy Collins, Mark Tyndale, Dionte Christmas and Semaj Inge.

http://www.csnphilly.com/07/16/11/Former-HS-star-White-continues-to-pursue/landing_ncaa.html?blockID=541679&feedID=704

This looks like the scoring from the game on Friday in the Rankin Anderson league via Ryan Feldman fro the hoops report.

Ryan Feldman
@TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
In the 1st game, DeSean White and Nurideen Lindsay each scored 24 pts. Akeem Wright had 28. Wayne Marshall had 20. Amir Garrett had 4.


http://twitter.com/#!/TheHoopsReport

Quote from: pmg911 on July 01, 2011, 08:44:44 AM

Just because a recruit is on campus and taking summer classes, it doesn't mean the player is fully qualified for athletic participation.

It usually means that the kid is enrolled at SJU.  Most players don't start their freshman coursework, which is what the summer session is, before being qualified, or am I missing something??  You have to be enrolled at SJU to start coursework.  How many times have you seen an elite recruit enrolled and then not qualify?

Derwin Kitchen, Rob Thomas

Quote from: MCNPA on July 01, 2011, 08:52:24 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on July 01, 2011, 08:44:44 AM

Just because a recruit is on campus and taking summer classes, it doesn't mean the player is fully qualified for athletic participation.

It usually means that the kid is enrolled at SJU.  Most players don't start their freshman coursework, which is what the summer session is, before being qualified, or am I missing something??  You have to be enrolled at SJU to start coursework.  How many times have you seen an elite recruit enrolled and then not qualify?

Derwin Kitchen, Rob Thomas

True about Derwin, but Thomas eventually became eligible for us.  As far as Nuri goes, apparently his grades are fine but he might have been on coursework.  Any news Dave on whether Nuri should be an issue?  I don't believe so, but maybe somebody has more info.

Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2011, 10:05:24 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on July 01, 2011, 08:52:24 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on July 01, 2011, 08:44:44 AM

Just because a recruit is on campus and taking summer classes, it doesn't mean the player is fully qualified for athletic participation.

It usually means that the kid is enrolled at SJU.  Most players don't start their freshman coursework, which is what the summer session is, before being qualified, or am I missing something??  You have to be enrolled at SJU to start coursework.  How many times have you seen an elite recruit enrolled and then not qualify?

Derwin Kitchen, Rob Thomas

True about Derwin, but Thomas eventually became eligible for us.  As far as Nuri goes, apparently his grades are fine but he might have been on coursework.  Any news Dave on whether Nuri should be an issue?  I don't believe so, but maybe somebody has more info.

Thomas came in as a partial qualifier and had to sit out until December but he was hurt anyways. As for the grades of Nuri and all the players. Everyone is doing what they are supposed to be doing in order to be where they are supposed to be come September/November. I think everyone has a lot of focus on this issue due to the fact there are so many new guys when this stuff occurs every year for a lot of guys/programs.

Quote from: MCNPA on July 18, 2011, 10:28:43 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2011, 10:05:24 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on July 01, 2011, 08:52:24 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on July 01, 2011, 08:44:44 AM

Just because a recruit is on campus and taking summer classes, it doesn't mean the player is fully qualified for athletic participation.

It usually means that the kid is enrolled at SJU.  Most players don't start their freshman coursework, which is what the summer session is, before being qualified, or am I missing something??  You have to be enrolled at SJU to start coursework.  How many times have you seen an elite recruit enrolled and then not qualify?

Derwin Kitchen, Rob Thomas

True about Derwin, but Thomas eventually became eligible for us.  As far as Nuri goes, apparently his grades are fine but he might have been on coursework.  Any news Dave on whether Nuri should be an issue?  I don't believe so, but maybe somebody has more info.

Thomas came in as a partial qualifier and had to sit out until December but he was hurt anyways. As for the grades of Nuri and all the players. Everyone is doing what they are supposed to be doing in order to be where they are supposed to be come September/November. I think everyone has a lot of focus on this issue due to the fact there are so many new guys when this stuff occurs every year for a lot of guys/programs.

Only other notable player I've heard is Markus Kennedy of Nova who is still finishing work.  Ironically a teammate of Jakarr.  I'm sure Kevin Johnson of SHU is still doing work because he's supposedly a miracle if he qualifies.  What other notable guys aren't on their respective campuses yet.