Final 2011 Scholarship ?

Now that the class is substantially set with 8 of possible
10, what are your opinions on last 1 (or 2)

My biggest question is the surprising late signing of Meikle.
Recruiting sites have him listed as 6'6 to 6'9".
St Johns own press release lists him as 6'9".

If 6'9" and the staff thinks he can put on 15+lbs the
next  10 months, then great. If not  (then a
surprising signing)  we still need a Ctr !

Besides Achuiwa, are there any other bigs on the radar ?
 The Ctr playing with Pointer & Meikle, Lekan Ajaia"
is 6'11"  235 lb, and averaging 15 reb/game

I dont know who we should get, but I wouldn't mind if we filled out all 10 schollies. You've got to figure that at least a couple of the guys we got will not be 4 year players so that in itself will even the scholarship distribution.

We need size. Def two JUCO bigs is the best case but def need one.

if we give away all 10 what does that mean for 2011? we can only sign thomas?

Still possible we'll have a transfer.

Not that he wouldn't be a serviceable role player next year, but Quincy might be able to start and earn 30+ minutes per on a St.Joe's/Lasalle/Umass A10 type team.

We need size. Def two JUCO bigs is the best case but def need one.
if we give away all 10 what does that mean for 2011? we can only sign thomas?

1 JUCO center (Only 2 if Juco All American) & save 1 for 2011 (Jevon)
1 transfer (or non qualifer) would open a 2nd for 2011.

Not sure if staff views Lindsey as a PG or SG. If he cant handle point then we need another PG.

Unless staff thinks Meikle will grow into a solid 4, im baffaled by his coming.

Quote from: redmen not storm on December 02, 2010, 04:27:05 PM

We need size. Def two JUCO bigs is the best case but def need one.
if we give away all 10 what does that mean for 2011? we can only sign thomas?

1 JUCO center (Only 2 if Juco All American) & save 1 for 2011 (Jevon)
1 transfer (or non qualifer) would open a 2nd for 2011.

Not sure if staff views Lindsey as a PG or SG. If he cant handle point then we need another PG.

Unless staff thinks Meikle will grow into a solid 4, im baffaled by his coming.

Good to hear your baffled.
I'm not going to 2nd guess a top notch staff like we have.  Especially after notching the #2 class in the country.  Depth guys are needed.  Dwight must fit their puzzle.

Not sure if staff views Lindsey as a PG or SG. If he cant handle point then we need another PG.

The staff views Lindsey, as a point guard, hence why we haven't really gone after anyone else.  Lindsey, Harrison and Stith will all be able to man the point guard position next season. 

I'm not sure he's still in the equation, but Phil Greene could also log minutes at the point guard position.  As, I stated....  I'm not sure the staff is still targeting him or not.

I think Lindsey is more than handling the point guard position, so far, on the JUCO level.  I'd rather focus on the 4 and 5 spots in the spring and only take a guard, if it's someone like Greene.

We've only got 1 left...unless Jevon gets moved back a year.  I don't see any transfers.  We need  another big...no question.  It sounds like we are waiting on God's Gift.

We've only got 1 left...unless Jevon gets moved back a year.  I don't see any transfers.  We need  another big...no question.  It sounds like we are waiting on God's Gift.

I think another opens up.

I'd use the ship on someone with some size.  Hopefully GG fits the bill, which will further help stagger the schollies. When and if St. Johns plays man to man in the post with a combo of Pelle, Polee, Sampson and Meikle, i think it will be tough to handle Big east big men who are wide upperclassmen.     

Also, I think it's likely that we have transfers next year.  There is going to be a lot of competition for playing time.  Also, this is competition among the same class for similar positions, where unless someone goes to the next level they are stuck playing less minutes than they can get somewhere else.  NOt everyone is going to avg 20 mins.  Some players will be around 25-30 mins plus and others will be around 10-15.   

On a side note, from a pure basketball point of view regarding PT, i'd interested to see what Q does after this year.  I def think he has the talent to make a contribution somewhere, but with the players coming in i think it's possible he'll have a similar role to this years team. 

Jumpin -

How do you not see any transfers?  If quincy gets as little pt as it seems he will get this year, why wouldn't he leave to a a10 or midmajor and at least get 2 years of burn?

If you're thinking logically about it, you gotta acknowledge its a strong possibility.

Jumpin -

How do you not see any transfers?  If quincy gets as little pt as it seems he will get this year, why wouldn't he leave to a a10 or midmajor and at least get 2 years of burn?

If you're thinking logically about it, you gotta acknowledge its a strong possibility.

I think he would've left last year.  Maybe he thinks as a 4th year junior he will be able to compete with the freshman or maybe he just wants to stay for the turnaround.  Its certainly a possibility that he does transfer I just don't think its a strong possibility. 

Woulda made no sense to leave this year.  He just took a full year off and likely did not want to take 2, and a new coach is a fresh start.  Unfortunately quincy does not seem to have impressed the staff like stith has.

He's gone next year.

If quincy gets as little pt as it seems he will get this year, why wouldn't he leave to a a10 or midmajor and at least get 2 years of burn?  If you're thinking logically about it, you gotta acknowledge its a strong possibility.

He already sat out a year. Maybe he doesn't want to stay in college till he's 27. Because the other strong possibility that you might want to think about logically is that QR has priorities other than the ones that you can see through the prism of your fandom. But even assuming that you're right and all he cares about is basketball, if he can't crack the rotation after 5 years at SJ, what's being a two year starter at Saint Bonaventure going to do for him? If he's looking to a professional future in Europe two years at SJ under Lavin and Hines is worth half a dozen at Siena. 

I think another opens up.

Do you think another opens up because you're surmising or do you think another opens up because you're a well connected alumni? 

If Quincy should leave, I would assume it would be after 2011-12 season.  He'll be a senior and assuming no NCAA rule changes to the transfer rule, he can look to another school to do some grad program and play immediately. 

Also, he might not get run now, but maybe he will next year. Yes, the recruits are talented, but inexperienced. And Q keeps coming into games, the staff might like his game and approach, just less than Paris/ Dwight/ DJ's game.

If Quincy should leave, I would assume it would be after 2011-12 season.  He'll be a senior and assuming no NCAA rule changes to the transfer rule, he can look to another school to do some grad program and play immediately. 

Also, he might not get run now, but maybe he will next year. Yes, the recruits are talented, but inexperienced. And Q keeps coming into games, the staff might like his game and approach, just less than Paris/ Dwight/ DJ's game.

I thought they already got rid of thar rule?

Also, if he can't crack the rotation this year, there is NO way he is cracking the rotation next year.  Sorry.

The key for Quincy is to get burn at his natural position. Then, good or bad, he'll at least get a fair shake.

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 03, 2010, 06:52:44 AM

If quincy gets as little pt as it seems he will get this year, why wouldn't he leave to a a10 or midmajor and at least get 2 years of burn?  If you're thinking logically about it, you gotta acknowledge its a strong possibility.

He already sat out a year. Maybe he doesn't want to stay in college till he's 27. Because the other strong possibility that you might want to think about logically is that QR has priorities other than the ones that you can see through the prism of your fandom. But even assuming that you're right and all he cares about is basketball, if he can't crack the rotation after 5 years at SJ, what's being a two year starter at Saint Bonaventure going to do for him? If he's looking to a professional future in Europe two years at SJ under Lavin and Hines is worth half a dozen at Siena. 

Most D-1 college players whether they are at Duke or St. John's or Prairie View A&M, and whether they are a starter or a benchwarmer, are VERY confident in their abilities and believe they can make a career out of basketball if they just...get more minutes...get someone to watch them...have a coach who puts them in the right spot to succeed...etc.

If Quincy Roberts is like most D-1 college players, which I am guessing he is, he would think that IF he gets time, he will prove he deserves to...play for the Haifa Heat at the very least or somewhere abroad.

Starting for St. Bonnie's could help Quincy grow as a player more than warming the bench for St. John's.

Most D-1 college players whether they are at Duke or St. John's or Prairie View A&M, and whether they are a starter or a benchwarmer, are VERY confident in their abilities and believe they can make a career out of basketball if they just...get more minutes...get someone to watch them...have a coach who puts them in the right spot to succeed...etc.

Sorry, I don't believe that benchwarmers at Rider and Princeton are thinking to themselves that with the right coaching they're going to making a career out of basketball.

If Quincy Roberts is like most D-1 college players, which I am guessing he is, he would think that IF he gets time, he will prove he deserves to...play for the Haifa Heat at the very least or somewhere abroad.

So to recap: Anthony Mason, despite being VERY confident in his abilities in capital letters and with a belief that he can make a career out of basketball, should logically put his NBA dreams aside and go to Europe, because he has no shot and is not getting any younger. Whereas, QR, also VERY confident etc, and despite being an even less successful college player at SJ that AMJ, should logically pursue his basketball career dreams where ever they might take him, up to and including Buffalo. And if that means he's 25 or so when he graduates, so be it.

I find these conclusions a little inconsistent. Completely inconsistent actually. I think the reason that you come to completely different conclusions is that your viewpoint is myopic and egocencentric. Myopic because they just take into account one factor - basketball - and egocentric because they ignore the real life consequences to the people who would actually suffer them and instead seemingly focus on what thakid, basketball fan, might do in similar circumstances.

Starting for St. Bonnie's could help Quincy grow as a player more than warming the bench for St. John's.

I can't disagree with "could help," just as you couldn't disagree with "might not help." But I'd think that a VERY confident kid in capital letters who believes he can make a career out of professional basketball would value a high profile program with TV exposure, an NBA strength coach, an NBA X and O guy, a media maven coach with a movie star wife, the chance to play at MSG, a tradition rich basketball network with a HOF coach who has a history of placing players overseas, and life the city that never sleeps over playing for Mark Schmidt in Tonawanda. As usual, YMMV.