Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY - SETON HALL

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He will wind up being much higher when it's all said and done.   FWIW we will wind up in his top 2 because his mother loves Lavin.  We have backed off of Carrington and put the full court press on Whitehead now.  I thought for sure he was gone but this should make everyone really happy.  Tiny holds zero weight on this one and if his mom wants to see him play every game he will wind up a Johnnie 

Louisville and SJU I heard Happy.

Going to be a dog fight.

Grest to hear we are pressing hard for Whitehead.  One thing besides the mother that we have going for us is that Louisville is loaded at guard and still recruiting more.  They have some guards on the roster and bring in JC pg Jones this season as well as signed Terry Rozier and Anton Gill.  In addition they signed Quentin Snyder for 14'.  A lot of top notch guards for Whitehead to compete with.  At SJU, Whitehead will likely step in right away.  Guy feeling is Lavin will land him.  Let's hope that is the case.

We're pretty stocked up at the guard spot too.

All of guards will all be either seniors or have left already.  All of Louisville's guards are coming in in 13' and 14' and all gamers.  Whitehead will be playing right away next to Rysheed should he come here. 

This kid is good but is he good enough to push a senior deangelo Harrison to the bench?

Yes

You forreal moose? D'lo is a nut case but talent is something he dosent lack, just needs a better supporting cast

As President of the Harrison fan club my comment is pretty telling.

Absurd to say this kid or any other freshman would push a senior Harrison for minutes. 

Absurd?  Save the dramatics.  Plenty of upperclassmen are pushed out by freshman of Whiteheads caliber.  If you disagree thats fine and dandy but to say its absurd?  Bit much.

What dramatics?  IMO people too often undervalue experience.  Harrison was fantastic from jump street.  He was a highly ranked kid and proved that he at least earned that ranking.  He'll have three years of experience as not only a starter, but as "the man." 

Whitehead looks like a pro to me for sure and his ceiling is well above Harrison's, but Harrison will be one of the best players in the country the next two years. 

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He will wind up being much higher when it's all said and done.   FWIW we will wind up in his top 2 because his mother loves Lavin.  We have backed off of Carrington and put the full court press on Whitehead now.  I thought for sure he was gone but this should make everyone really happy.  Tiny holds zero weight on this one and if his mom wants to see him play every game he will wind up a Johnnie 

Louisville and SJU I heard Happy.

Going to be a dog fight.

Grest to hear we are pressing hard for Whitehead.  One thing besides the mother that we have going for us is that Louisville is loaded at guard and still recruiting more.  They have some guards on the roster and bring in JC pg Jones this season as well as signed Terry Rozier and Anton Gill.  In addition they signed Quentin Snyder for 14'.  A lot of top notch guards for Whitehead to compete with.  At SJU, Whitehead will likely step in right away.  Guy feeling is Lavin will land him.  Let's hope that is the case.

We're pretty stocked up at the guard spot too.

All of guards will all be either seniors or have left already.  All of Louisville's guards are coming in in 13' and 14' and all gamers.  Whitehead will be playing right away next to Rysheed should he come here. 

This kid is good but is he good enough to push a senior deangelo Harrison to the bench?

Yes

You forreal moose? D'lo is a nut case but talent is something he dosent lack, just needs a better supporting cast

As President of the Harrison fan club my comment is pretty telling.

Absurd to say this kid or any other freshman would push a senior Harrison for minutes. 

Absurd?  Save the dramatics.  Plenty of upperclassmen are pushed out by freshman of Whiteheads caliber.  If you disagree thats fine and dandy but to say its absurd?  Bit much.

What dramatics?  IMO people too often undervalue experience.  Harrison was fantastic from jump street.  He was a highly ranked kid and proved that he at least earned that ranking.  He'll have three years of experience as not only a starter, but as "the man." 

Whitehead looks like a pro to me for sure and his ceiling is well above Harrison's, but Harrison will be one of the best players in the country the next two years.

What dramatics?

You use phrases like "no chance" or phrases to that effect.

Instead of merely saying "I disagree.".

You make it sound like Whitehead playing immediately is outrageous when it is actually reasonable.  Could you make a counter argument? Sure.  But stop acting like what he proposed was completely outrageous it wasn't.

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He will wind up being much higher when it's all said and done.   FWIW we will wind up in his top 2 because his mother loves Lavin.  We have backed off of Carrington and put the full court press on Whitehead now.  I thought for sure he was gone but this should make everyone really happy.  Tiny holds zero weight on this one and if his mom wants to see him play every game he will wind up a Johnnie 

Louisville and SJU I heard Happy.

Going to be a dog fight.

Grest to hear we are pressing hard for Whitehead.  One thing besides the mother that we have going for us is that Louisville is loaded at guard and still recruiting more.  They have some guards on the roster and bring in JC pg Jones this season as well as signed Terry Rozier and Anton Gill.  In addition they signed Quentin Snyder for 14'.  A lot of top notch guards for Whitehead to compete with.  At SJU, Whitehead will likely step in right away.  Guy feeling is Lavin will land him.  Let's hope that is the case.

We're pretty stocked up at the guard spot too.

All of guards will all be either seniors or have left already.  All of Louisville's guards are coming in in 13' and 14' and all gamers.  Whitehead will be playing right away next to Rysheed should he come here. 

This kid is good but is he good enough to push a senior deangelo Harrison to the bench?

Yes

You forreal moose? D'lo is a nut case but talent is something he dosent lack, just needs a better supporting cast

As President of the Harrison fan club my comment is pretty telling.

Absurd to say this kid or any other freshman would push a senior Harrison for minutes. 

Absurd?  Save the dramatics.  Plenty of upperclassmen are pushed out by freshman of Whiteheads caliber.  If you disagree thats fine and dandy but to say its absurd?  Bit much.

What dramatics?  IMO people too often undervalue experience.  Harrison was fantastic from jump street.  He was a highly ranked kid and proved that he at least earned that ranking.  He'll have three years of experience as not only a starter, but as "the man." 

Whitehead looks like a pro to me for sure and his ceiling is well above Harrison's, but Harrison will be one of the best players in the country the next two years.

What dramatics?

You use phrases like "no chance" or phrases to that effect.

Instead of merely saying "I disagree.".

You make it sound like Whitehead playing immediately is outrageous when it is actually reasonable.  Could you make a counter argument? Sure.  But stop acting like what he proposed was completely outrageous it wasn't.

Is it that hard to look back at a one-sentence post, you nice person?  I said it is absurd. That is my opinion, you are entitled to your own.  I've known Moose since we were at St. John's together. Don't tell me how to post, you sniffling little dork. 

Kentucky is always a fly in the ointment with recruits as you can imagine as they are certainly always a powerhouse in recruiting and right now are still the "it" program..  Cal is everywhere and certainly Whitehead is intrigued although in the end I don't think they will offer:

http://kentucky.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1515712

And while he rattled off a plethora of schools that were showing interests, he didn't mention Kentucky.

Isaiah Whitehead says he's hearing from Louisville and hoping UK will call.

"They haven't contacted me in two weeks," Whitehead said.

Whitehead didn't appear to be disappointed or bothered by the fact the Cats haven't called, but instead optimistic that they will soon.

And if UK called he would "definitely" be interested.

"Kentucky is a great program, they have great players every year, they are a contender every year," Whitehead said. "They're just great."

Whitehead, ranked No. 19 in the 2014 Rivals150, said rival Louisville is recruiting him the hardest and although he doesn't have a finalized list of schools he wants to visit, he plans on seeing Louisville, St. John's and Syracuse again.

One can only hope that Pitino snatches up one of the other high quality 2014 guards he is looking at;

"JaQuan Lyle, Brandone Francis of Jacksonville, Fla., and Isaiah Whitehead of New York are U of L’s top targets to fill a guard position alongside current commitments Shaqquan Aaron and Quentin Snider."

“@SteveJones_CJ: New Story: Louisville, Indiana make final cut for top basketball prospect JaQuan Lyle http://dlvr.it/3WXC0K”

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He will wind up being much higher when it's all said and done.   FWIW we will wind up in his top 2 because his mother loves Lavin.  We have backed off of Carrington and put the full court press on Whitehead now.  I thought for sure he was gone but this should make everyone really happy.  Tiny holds zero weight on this one and if his mom wants to see him play every game he will wind up a Johnnie 

Louisville and SJU I heard Happy.

Going to be a dog fight.

Grest to hear we are pressing hard for Whitehead.  One thing besides the mother that we have going for us is that Louisville is loaded at guard and still recruiting more.  They have some guards on the roster and bring in JC pg Jones this season as well as signed Terry Rozier and Anton Gill.  In addition they signed Quentin Snyder for 14'.  A lot of top notch guards for Whitehead to compete with.  At SJU, Whitehead will likely step in right away.  Guy feeling is Lavin will land him.  Let's hope that is the case.

We're pretty stocked up at the guard spot too.

All of guards will all be either seniors or have left already.  All of Louisville's guards are coming in in 13' and 14' and all gamers.  Whitehead will be playing right away next to Rysheed should he come here. 

This kid is good but is he good enough to push a senior deangelo Harrison to the bench?

Yes

You forreal moose? D'lo is a nut case but talent is something he dosent lack, just needs a better supporting cast

As President of the Harrison fan club my comment is pretty telling.

Absurd to say this kid or any other freshman would push a senior Harrison for minutes. 

Absurd?  Save the dramatics.  Plenty of upperclassmen are pushed out by freshman of Whiteheads caliber.  If you disagree thats fine and dandy but to say its absurd?  Bit much.

What dramatics?  IMO people too often undervalue experience.  Harrison was fantastic from jump street.  He was a highly ranked kid and proved that he at least earned that ranking.  He'll have three years of experience as not only a starter, but as "the man." 

Whitehead looks like a pro to me for sure and his ceiling is well above Harrison's, but Harrison will be one of the best players in the country the next two years.

I agree with you that Harrison will probably never lose his starting job to a freshman, but it's not 'absurd' to think otherwise.   And while he's been very good at times, he hasn't been 'fantastic' since day 1.

Our fans seem to gloss over the fact that from Jan 1st this year, until he got suspended, he wasn't the same player he had been the previous year and a half.   Counting the OT game at Villanova, he shot 34% the rest of the way, and just 28% from 3.   
The other leading scorers; Russ Smith, Cotton, Kilpatrick ... they didn't fall apart like that down the stretch.   So I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Harrison is going to be one of the best players in the country the next two years.  I hope he is - but he's going to have to play better than he was for much of last season.

"Kentucky is a great program, they have great players every year, they are a contender every year," Whitehead said. "They're just great."

Short attention-span theater!  (or Perception  vs reality?)    Kentucky WASN'T a Contender this past year.  They've MISSED the dance 2 of the last 5 years.  They HAVE been to 2 final fours in the last 15 years (but is that really "contending every year"?).  With their talent level, they've horribly UNDERACHIVED.  They don't even dominate their own conference - Florida's won 2 of the last 3 SEC titles.

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"Kentucky is a great program, they have great players every year, they are a contender every year," Whitehead said. "They're just great."

Short attention-span theater!  (or Perception  vs reality?)    Kentucky WASN'T a Contender this past year.  They've MISSED the dance 2 of the last 5 years.  They HAVE been to 2 final fours in the last 15 years (but is that really "contending every year"?).  With their talent level, they've horribly UNDERACHIVED.  They don't even dominate their own conference - Florida's won 2 of the last 3 SEC titles.

I think you would agree despite the pitfalls last year (and assuming Noel doesn't get hurt they probably make it last year) Calipari has them firmly entrenched as a super power.

In 4 years, 2 Final Fours, 1 Final 8, twice a no. 1 seed, 2 regular season and 2 post-season SEC titles and 1 undefeated SEC season, 2011-12.

You are reaching back to the Gillispie and last few Tubby Smith years to grab some of those stats and those stats explain why they are no longer coaching UK and Calipari is.

“@Top100Camp: Isiaiah Whitehead leading all scorers with close to 14/game. Justin and Tadrick Jackson pouring in 13/game”

Our fans seem to gloss over the fact that from Jan 1st this year, until he got suspended, he wasn't the same player he had been the previous year and a half.   Counting the OT game at Villanova, he shot 34% the rest of the way, and just 28% from 3.   

The other leading scorers; Russ Smith, Cotton, Kilpatrick ... they didn't fall apart like that down the stretch.   So I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Harrison is going to be one of the best players in the country the next two years.  I hope he is - but he's going to have to play better than he was for much of last season.

It was actually after he missed that three at the end of the Rutgers game that his play fell off.

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. -- Don't tell Isaiah Whitehead that rankings don't matter.

The 6-foot-4 guard from Lincoln (NY) has seen his status drop from a five-star prospect into the 30s. At the 247 Sports Composite, he's No. 33 in the class of 2014.

“I want to move up in the rankings,” Whitehead said. “I think I belong in the top 25 at least.”

Whitehead has been proving himself as one of the top scoring guards in the country, finding ways to get points in a variety of ways. He makes difficult and contested shots better than anyone in the class, and has deep range on his outside jumper. Whitehead is aggressive with the ball and isn't afraid to drive into traffic. He also defends and has underrated vision.

Through the first three games of NBPA Top 100 camp, Whitehead has been consistent, scoring in double-figures in each contest. In fact, he's leading the camp in scoring heading into Friday night.

“All the guys out here that's ranked higher than me, I'm just going at them and showing everybody that I'm better than them,” Whitehead said.

In terms of recruiting, three are coming at him the hardest: Louisville, Syracuse and Minnesota.

“They're just great programs,” Whitehead said. “They have great coaches.”

St. John's and UCLA are also making an effort, but he wants to visit the aforementioned three after the July live period.

“@EyeOnCBB: Notebook from NBPA Top 100 Camp has updates on Isaiah Whitehead & Brekkott Chapman, plus 10 top performers: http://cbsprt.co/1bF44sr”

 I can already see the " Lavin can't close on the top local kids" posts.    UL and Cuse are going to be close to impossible to beat out I'm afraid.  At least with Lavin, you know if he's still trying, that we still have a shot.  He won't waste time if he knows he's not coming here for sure.

I can already see the " Lavin can't close on the top local kids" posts.    UL and Cuse are going to be close to impossible to beat out I'm afraid.  At least with Lavin, you know if he's still trying, that we still have a shot.  He won't waste time if he knows he's not coming here for sure.

Agree, the effort will be there. Can't ask for more. Imo, we have a shot, but facing a tough task.

I can already see the " Lavin can't close on the top local kids" posts.    UL and Cuse are going to be close to impossible to beat out I'm afraid.  At least with Lavin, you know if he's still trying, that we still have a shot.  He won't waste time if he knows he's not coming here for sure.

SJU is right there for the kid.  SJU excels this year and their chance to land him goes up exponentially.

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"Kentucky is a great program, they have great players every year, they are a contender every year," Whitehead said. "They're just great."

Short attention-span theater!  (or Perception  vs reality?)    Kentucky WASN'T a Contender this past year.  They've MISSED the dance 2 of the last 5 years.  They HAVE been to 2 final fours in the last 15 years (but is that really "contending every year"?).  With their talent level, they've horribly UNDERACHIVED.  They don't even dominate their own conference - Florida's won 2 of the last 3 SEC titles.

I think you would agree despite the pitfalls last year (and assuming Noel doesn't get hurt they probably make it last year) Calipari has them firmly entrenched as a super power.

In 4 years, 2 Final Fours, 1 Final 8, twice a no. 1 seed, 2 regular season and 2 post-season SEC titles and 1 undefeated SEC season, 2011-12.

You are reaching back to the Gillispie and last few Tubby Smith years to grab some of those stats and those stats explain why they are no longer coaching UK and Calipari is.

No, I wouldn't.   Kentucky was not challenging for diddly Noel HEALTHY.   They two of the last  5 years out of the dance is NOT ancient history.   It's five freaking years.      There's a reason I headed my original post "short attention span theater"  -  Florida wins two NCAA titles in a row, misses the dance the next two seasons.   UCLA goes to Back to Back to BACK  Final fours in the last 7 years,  then misses the dance and has a one and done in the next 4 years.     Kentucky recently strong, yes.  Dominant?   2 final fours in the last 15 years?    Are you kidding me?  That ties them with BUTLER. Maryland, Ohio State. and Syracuse over that period.   Teams that have had MORE over than period: Michigan State, UCONN, UCLA, Duke, North Carolina, Florida, Kansas, Louisville.

The only thing they've been dominant in is one-and-done players (granted, for recruiting that's a pretty good thing to be dominant in - it just is COUNTER to being a dominant TEAM) - 90% of which never would have played college ball under the rules of just 7 years ago.   But they would have also been one and done had they gone to Piedmont Community College for that one year.

Kentucky is a strong program - but they are far from "dominant".   Next year PERHAPS they could be - with #1 or #2 ranked recruits coming in at every position.  But nothing is a gimme.    Their #1 center  has the unexpeced problem of Willie Cauley-Stein Back for a soph season (because KY WASN'T dominant).   Their #1 ranked wings have the problem of Poythress back for a soph season (because KY WASN'T dominant).    And there's no guarantee these #1 ranked player ARE the next Anthony Davis, Carmelo, Durant, Kyrie and Wall.  They COULD be the next Kwame Brown, Kelvin Torbert, Ronald Curry, Josh McRoberts, and John Henson  (not BAD, but not likely dominant as one and done frosh)...heck, their #1 PG could be, well, the next Ryan Harrow (and on his way to Georgia State by next seasno!  

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Getting whitehead would be terrific but if not, there will be other top kids coming here and I'm basing that on Lavin's recruiting historically.  It's not like this yr, were we put all eggs in one basket for Jordan. This yr if we miss out we prob don't end up with any very good if anyone at all.  Sju has open scholarships in 14 so we can swing and miss on some and still get a terrific class.

From Kline;

2014 guard Isaiah Whitehead of Lincoln (NY) - Whitehead's motor has made him one of the better performers at the camp, to go along with his already impeccable ability to finish at the rim. Another top performer this spring, the New York native's confidence in his jumper and range has been the biggest change in his game. His passing and court vision this camp has looked great, as well. The clearcut improvement that he has worked toward is paying off. His recruitment remains the same with Louisville, St. John's, UCLA, Syracuse, Kentucky, Minnesota and others.

After two days at the NBA Top 100 camp at the University of Virginia, here is who Future150 staff believes to be the top 10 performers to this point…

1. Kelly Oubre
2. Myles Turner
3. Kevon Looney
4. Isaiah Whitehead
5. Chieck Diallo
6. Stephen Zimmerman
7. Justin Jackson
8. Skal Labissiere
9. Caleb Swanigan
10.. Jalen Brunson

“@JamieShaw5: Isiah Whitehead 6'4 G says Louisville St Johns and Syracuse are sticking out to him #nbatop100 #GetLooks”

“@JamieShaw5: Isiah Whitehead 6'4 G says Louisville St Johns and Syracuse are sticking out to him #nbatop100 #GetLooks”

And yesterday per Borzello he said something different.

#loverecruiting