Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY - SETON HALL

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 19, 2013, 10:14:23 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 19, 2013, 09:57:36 PM

Spoke to someone extensively today who is very close to the situation. St. John's could of had whitehead. They just didn't recruit him. They shoes away from the package deal from jump street. Instead lavin suggested making a recommendation fr an under armour gig but that wasn't good enough. St. John's was in the lead once boheim told Isaiah he might not start his freshman year. But even then lavin was up front in saying he would start but may not b the focal point. And that's where things died down. Seton hall was the choice even before the visit. All the visit was for is to see if lav would up the stakes seton hall had already offered. But lav didn't go for it. The package to seton hall had been decided since elite 24 but they just had to wait things out.

Thanks for the info chilleb.

I'm not sure how much I like hearing about offering jobs to coaches to under armour.  Matter of fact I don't like it at all.

 Knowing the results now I'd rather have just offered him a job at energy kitchen flipping burgers

Is that where Hicks went?

Quote from: mjmaherjr on September 19, 2013, 10:19:54 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 19, 2013, 10:14:23 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 19, 2013, 09:57:36 PM

Spoke to someone extensively today who is very close to the situation. St. John's could of had whitehead. They just didn't recruit him. They shoes away from the package deal from jump street. Instead lavin suggested making a recommendation fr an under armour gig but that wasn't good enough. St. John's was in the lead once boheim told Isaiah he might not start his freshman year. But even then lavin was up front in saying he would start but may not b the focal point. And that's where things died down. Seton hall was the choice even before the visit. All the visit was for is to see if lav would up the stakes seton hall had already offered. But lav didn't go for it. The package to seton hall had been decided since elite 24 but they just had to wait things out.

Thanks for the info chilleb.

I'm not sure how much I like hearing about offering jobs to coaches to under armour.  Matter of fact I don't like it at all.

 Knowing the results now I'd rather have just offered him a job at energy kitchen flipping burgers

Is that where Hicks went?

Hicks might be the next transfer to Iona if Grasso goes to the D league

Very simply Lavin  didn't need Isaiah. The kid wanted prime time and we didn't have it. Coach can't start recruiting over kids until he establishes a winning program. Sit back relax and enjoy a great year of winning basketball.

Spoke to someone extensively today who is very close to the situation. St. John's could of had whitehead. They just didn't recruit him. They shoes away from the package deal from jump street. Instead lavin suggested making a recommendation fr an under armour gig but that wasn't good enough. St. John's was in the lead once boheim told Isaiah he might not start his freshman year. But even then lavin was up front in saying he would start but may not b the focal point. And that's where things died down. Seton hall was the choice even before the visit. All the visit was for is to see if lav would up the stakes seton hall had already offered. But lav didn't go for it. The package to seton hall had been decided since elite 24 but they just had to wait things out.

Those quotes by IW earlier today were very telling.  A winning player in any team sport knows that it is never a one man show. The fact that he was turned off because he wouldn't be the focal point (without ever earning that designation mind you) is a joke.

I'm not saying he would've been in a better situation at Seton Hall or St. John's.  But if the kid wants to succeed in life, he's going to have to come to the realization that one man can't do it alone.  You need to trust your teammates in order to do something really special.

Very simply Lavin  didn't need Isaiah. The kid wanted prime time and we didn't have it. Coach can't start recruiting over kids until he establishes a winning program. Sit back relax and enjoy a great year of winning basketball.

 Right on..  I'm ready  for the season to start.  Recruiting is for the birds.  He wants to be LeBron.  Probably be lucky if he's Lance. 

But even then lavin was up front in saying he would start but may not b the focal point. 

This is primary issue.  Lavin would have a number of seniors next year who sweated through 3 years of practices and gave their all on the court.  They are the ones who should be showcased for the next level.  They have already demonstrated their loyalty.  For a newcomer to think he deserves the top rating is absurd.  How would IW feel if Lincoln featured a fros this year?  Even Chris Mullin took a backseat to David Russell in his first year.  If you want respect, you must earn it.

Now let's have a little payback and only schedule SH for CA.  And if IW is not one and done, he will get the added bonus of spending a second year in South Orange.

It's not that they didn't recruit him.. They didn't kiss his ass and tell him everything he wanted to hear.

How about earning a starting position and earn the right to be the focal point?

 Enjoy S. Orange.

Exactly. While he certainly would have been a welcome addition, I can take some satisfaction in knowing that another 18 year old from Lincoln didn't drag this crap out for ten months.

Seton Hall will probably be a better team, and program because of Whitehead, but unless he's Allen Iverson/Carmelo Anthony good, they still need several pieces to compete at even the weaker BE level. As it stands now, I count 1 BE player on their roster.

Looking forward to seeing the johnnies play him next season.  This is good for the new league. 

Spoke to someone extensively today who is very close to the situation. St. John's could of had whitehead. They just didn't recruit him. They shoes away from the package deal from jump street. Instead lavin suggested making a recommendation fr an under armour gig but that wasn't good enough. St. John's was in the lead once boheim told Isaiah he might not start his freshman year. But even then lavin was up front in saying he would start but may not b the focal point. And that's where things died down. Seton hall was the choice even before the visit. All the visit was for is to see if lav would up the stakes seton hall had already offered. But lav didn't go for it. The package to seton hall had been decided since elite 24 but they just had to wait things out.

so all of the sordid details about SJ being in the lead the last few days and being trumped at the 11th hour were BS? Lavin knew all along we were out?

Looking forward to seeing the johnnies play him next season.  This is good for the new league. 

I agree this is good for the league.  IMO, the rivalry and bad blood with. Metro area school is something that is desperately needed.  Willard, Morton and Whitehead are doing their best to start one up.

as far as morton, if he took a seton hall job on the back of one of his high school players than he's almost like a slimy child molester taking advantage of someone who trusted him.

Exaggerate much?

Chilleb not saying what the person told u was wrong but from what I understand he was going to St. John's seton hall made a offer tiny couldn't refuse done deal. Tiny is finished at Lincoln he wants to be in a college. This was his piece and its a hell of a piece. Bohiem an pitino isn't hearing it. Neither was lav. This was the last hoorah for Willard an he went all out. He even hired Antigua just to get angel and I'm sorry angel isn't that much of a stud to do that. This morning isiah was going to St. John's. seton hall said damn that. From what I understand every thing was done legally. No rules was broken. If u want to hire a coach of a prospect U are recruiting he has to be  a coach not a dobo or video assistant or other stuff.

I'm happy for tiny. If he gets the job he has been trying for a while. I think he is a good coach. Alot of people don't like his personality but I think he is cool.

So are those Lavin / Mariano Rivera analogies still appropriate or should we start using Armando Benitez?

Yeah, I regret starting that one...

Nevermind Moose's classic Chicken Little, ironically this recruiting battle turned into an Omar Little quote: "All in the game yo, all in the game..."

Just don't like how IW went about this.

St. John's apparently backed off in the summer.  You call them and tell them you are visiting on Wednesday and choosing on Thursday.  And then you turn around and basically use them as leverage to get what you wanted out of Seton Hall.

Yes, it's legal under NCAA standards.  But it's classless for all parties involved, including IW.

I don't think this was leverage at all.  I think they genuinely wanted to see if SJU would give them what they want.  I guess I was a bit naïve, but I thought all along that was a guaranteed starting job--which I thought Lavin would have delivered on during the last minute visit.  I didn't even think the Morton as a package deal with a kid like Isaiah.  He seemed to be a kid that had the right focus.

Crazy that he looked Baron Davis, possibly Earl Watson in the eye...met a 6x NATIONAL coach of the year on our staff, spoke with Moe Harkless about staying in the city, and got shoutouts from his boy Rysheed and still went to SH.

Quote from: DoodyNY33 on September 19, 2013, 01:39:09 PM

Just don't like how IW went about this.

St. John's apparently backed off in the summer.  You call them and tell them you are visiting on Wednesday and choosing on Thursday.  And then you turn around and basically use them as leverage to get what you wanted out of Seton Hall.

Yes, it's legal under NCAA standards.  But it's classless for all parties involved, including IW.

I don't think this was leverage at all.  I think they genuinely wanted to see if SJU would give them what they want.  I guess I was a bit naïve, but I thought all along that was a guaranteed starting job--which I thought Lavin would have delivered on during the last minute visit.  I didn't even think the Morton as a package deal with a kid like Isaiah.  He seemed to be a kid that had the right focus.

Crazy that he looked Baron Davis, possibly Earl Watson in the eye...met a 6x NATIONAL coach of the year on our staff, spoke with Moe Harkless about staying in the city, and got shoutouts from his boy Rysheed and still went to SH.

IW wanted to be the big man on campus from Day 1 and it was just not going to happen when you have 3 seniors (D'lo, Greene, and Branch) and a stud sophomore (Jordan). At Seton Hall, he'll be the go to guy from the moment he steps on the court and as a kicker will get to play for the same HS coach he has grown up with. In the long run, I don't know if that helps him but I understand where he's coming from.

Actually dissapointed that this didn't go down for SJU, would have been a worthy read having PMG slay both Lavin and Tiny!!!  Since it happened with SHU, crickets. 

Pete88 - good to see you chime in, I have not seen you around in a while...

Curious as to what you mean...     I was asked what I thought earlier in the thread about it and I answered. Willard did what I had to do, he is going to have deal with the consequences. Hiring that paper bag Tiny will get him another extension probably. We all have to think about what is best for our families in the big picture of life - sometimes you do things you don't want to because you have to.

KW sold his soul to the devil - no questions asked but he did it with in the rules - not much to really say about it.

As for the crickets - posting during the day is hard for me at work, I actually have to work. I rarely post at home because I would rather hang out with my kids then post on Johnny Jungle, sorry if that makes it look like I am being silent to you.

Didn't Bobby Hartstein send Marbury to college?

Yes

I'm happy for tiny. If he gets the job he has been trying for a while. I think he is a good coach. Alot of people don't like his personality but I think he is cool.

I'm happy for tiny. If he gets the job he has been trying for a while. I think he is a good coach. Alot of people don't like his personality but I think he is cool.

I'm happy for tiny. If he gets the job he has been trying for a while. I think he is a good coach. Alot of people don't like his personality but I think he is cool.

He speaks like he's dumb as rocks. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know the game.

He speaks like he's dumb as rocks. But that doesn't mean he doesn't know the game.

He played this game really well and he clearly had a lot of sway with Whitehead and his family. 

He flat out lying about Syracuse..

KOB - you know I have a ton of respect for you but tiny is a bad bad guy and has never had the best interest of any of his player in mind when he makes moves. On top of that, he is a terrible coach and wins because he literally goes out and gets the best talent. Lincoln won before him with Hartstein but it was always with kidsthat were supposed to be in Lincoln