Brownlee Threes

I hate to do this since he played an overall very good game, and has been one of our two rocks this season, but....

The threes have to stop from him when they come early in the shot clock.     We knew this last year, and he def improved some this year, largely in part, imo, to better shot selection.  ONE pass and a  quick brownlee three is NEVER a good shot.   He should not be taking four threes in a game unless touchdown jesus came down and whispered to him that he would make them all....on second thought, that touchdown jesus is a blatant nd fan so that would be a dirty trick....

That said, brownlee is a beast and had some great moves, but between two and three of those threes he didnt even have time to set up, had just gotten down the court, is wide open, and quickly pulls the trigger.  Take a few dribbles in, or use that space to drive the lane.   Brownlee is not a run and gun type jump shooter.   Im fine with an occasional three when the ball has been worked around, hes wide open, and its the best shot we have seen on the possession.   Im not fine with it like he did multiple times last night.   Irks me even more when he is dominating offensively inside. 

We were down double digits and Brownlee was attempting to shoot us back in the game. Last night one stepped up to make and was making shots. We had a off night let's just leave it at that.

We were down double digits and Brownlee was attempting to shoot us back in the game. Last night one stepped up to make and was making shots. We had a off night let's just leave it at that.

Whoa, are we not allowed to criticize anyone for anything now?  Brownlee had a great game, as i said, whats the point of a msg board if not to pick the game apart?  Brownlee is not the guy to shoot us back in a game. 

Who should of shot us back in the game last night? During that 2nd half  mini run. Hardy missed a big 3, DJ missed a big 3, and Brownlee missed some big 3's. As a team we just did not play well.

Who should of shot us back in the game last night? During that 2nd half  mini run. Hardy missed a big 3, DJ missed a big 3, and Brownlee missed some big 3's. As a team we just did not play well.

Brownlee should not be taking those threes.

We were down double digits and Brownlee was attempting to shoot us back in the game. Last night one stepped up to make and was making shots. We had a off night let's just leave it at that.

Have to disagree with you here. Talking about Brownlee's shot selection is fair and open game. It was brought up last year because he was shooting over 50% inside the arc and under 30% from outside.

His strength is going to the basket and for the majority this season he's been doing just thought. Yesterday he fell back into some bad habits and he immediately admitted it after the game.

When Brownlee takes a 3 early in the shot clock its not a good shot for a number of reasons. A) the team could get a higher percentage look B) who is there to offensive rebound? C) long rebound gives opponent a chance to run out on the break

I don't mind Brownlee taking an attempt late in the shot clock maybe once, twice a game but he shouldn't be chucking up 3's.

Who should of shot us back in the game last night? During that 2nd half  mini run. Hardy missed a big 3, DJ missed a big 3, and Brownlee missed some big 3's. As a team we just did not play well.

The team should have kept attacking the basket and forced ND to either foul them or let them score. No need to chuck up 3's. Nash should have fouled out of the game earlier and no chance Cooley holds Burrell or Brownlee's jock strap. Lets save the game convo however to post game discussion...Brownlee's shot selection can be more generalized.

Notre Dame might be the best team in the Big East, Hansbrough 1 of the best players. They took us out to the woodshed from start to finish. Doesnt matter who was taking the 3's, nobody on this team can consistently bang them

I agree Kid but I won't be concerned unless it becomes a trend.  This is just one game and I get the feeling he was just trying to shoot us back in the game.  But he is a great scorer from 10 feet in and he should only take 1 to 2 threes a game at most.

Generally Brownlee isnt taking a lot of threes.  Last night was more of an abberation than a trend.  Including last night he has attempted 25 for the season.  He hit a three in the GU game early in the shot clock.  My guess is that since he is shooting a high percentage (smalll sample size) Lavin is ok with him shooting when no one is in his face.

Last night was a mess everywhere, if he took an extra two threes when we were down a ton so be it.  Right now i dont see it as a huge issue.  If this was the Brownlee of last year that would be a diff story. 

The fact that he shot 53% inside the arc and 21% beyond last season indicates he shouldn't shoot 3's. Also 25% of his shot attempts last season were 3 pointers so yes its safe to say it is a trend that he was taking bad shots.

This season he's shooting 57% inside the arc and 36% beyond. His percentage of shots that are 3's is 17%. So its also safe to say that its a trend that he's noticeably taking less 3's and taking better shots. 

Im not worried about it as a trend...yet....but it is not a good shot early in the shot clock.  He should never be taking a three with more than twenty seconds on the shot clock.   I agree w dave. 

The fact that he shot 53% inside the arc and 21% beyond last season indicates he shouldn't shoot 3's. Also 25% of his shot attempts last season were 3 pointers so yes its safe to say it is a trend that he was taking bad shots.

This season he's shooting 57% inside the arc and 36% beyond. His percentage of shots that are 3's is 17%. So its also safe to say that its a trend that he's noticeably taking less 3's and taking better shots. 

Plus he is playing 10 more mins a game. 

I know it's a small sample but 36% of threes is worth 54% inside the arc from a points basis.  I'm just trying to make the point that as long as they are good shots and he is making a similar percentage it's not as bad of a shot as we may think it is.

Quote from: Dave on January 09, 2011, 04:02:52 PM

The fact that he shot 53% inside the arc and 21% beyond last season indicates he shouldn't shoot 3's. Also 25% of his shot attempts last season were 3 pointers so yes its safe to say it is a trend that he was taking bad shots.

This season he's shooting 57% inside the arc and 36% beyond. His percentage of shots that are 3's is 17%. So its also safe to say that its a trend that he's noticeably taking less 3's and taking better shots. 

Plus he is playing 10 more mins a game. 

I know it's a small sample but 36% of threes is worth 54% inside the arc from a points basis.  I'm just trying to make the point that as long as they are good shots and he is making a similar percentage it's not as bad of a shot as we may think it is.

When he sets his feet and is wide open after working the ball around checking a few options first a seldom 3 will stretch the defense make or miss. It's not a terrible thing but when he takes shots early in the shot clock, nobody underneath to board, its a bad shot make or miss.

Last night his made 3 was a bad shot.

Other than Hardy and DJ, nobody should have the green light from downtown

Other than Hardy and DJ, nobody should have the green light from downtown

Hilton leads the team in 3-point % by a lot at 42% and he hit the game winner against PC.  Certainly he should be permitted to chuck at will.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 09, 2011, 04:43:03 PM

Other than Hardy and DJ, nobody should have the green light from downtown

Hilton leads the team in 3-point % by a lot at 42% and he hit the game winner against PC.  Certainly he should be permitted to chuck at will.

Paris' percentage is so good bc he does not chuck at will. 

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 10, 2011, 04:42:45 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 09, 2011, 04:43:03 PM

Other than Hardy and DJ, nobody should have the green light from downtown

Hilton leads the team in 3-point % by a lot at 42% and he hit the game winner against PC.  Certainly he should be permitted to chuck at will.

Paris' percentage is so good bc he does not chuck at will. 

Agreed less is more. I think you can see that team wide which is why team % are at an all time high.

Brownlee has to be smart and pick the times when to take his 3's. If the 3pt shot is being contested or its early in the shot clock I don't want him taking that shot but if he is open late in the possession I have no problem with him taking a couple 3's. His game is in the paint and with that nice little jumper thats where he should do most of his work but in the right situation I don't mind him taking an open 3 late in the shot clock. You guys are right, the whole team should shoot 3's the way Paris does. He takes them when we need one and he is wide open other than that we should be getting in the lane because we don't shoot well from outside.

No offense to Tha Kid but here would be much better topics for a thread than one of our best players shooting too many threes.
1 .Re:Boothe offense.-He might be the worst offensive PG guard in the country
2. Re:Coker offense- He might be the worst offense center in the country
3. Re:Evans terrible-Evans is terrible
4. Re:ND game Refs sucking-Not why we lost but boy was that a terrible officiated game.
5. Re:ND game announcers were terrible- Seriously Digger Phelps. Would ESPN let Louie announce a SJU game? Would the Yankees allow Phil Rizzuto, Michael Kay, Suzyn Waldman, Paul Oneill or John Sterling to announce Yankee games... Um the Yankee thing was a bad example but Phelps was making an already annoying game intolerable and much easier to switch to Jet game.
6. Re: Lavin's crazy lineups- I know foul trouble involved but by choosing the 5 that he did to end the half he ensured that the game would be out of reach. Terrible job by coach!