Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it

Zags continues dissing Post and throws some more Sanchez stuff in mix.

“@AdamZagoria: Some sources are as reliable as the New York Post on Momo Jones or Orlando Sanchez. &being the pet of a bad adviser is nothing to brag about”

It's a huge loss, but we'll be fine. We'll probably get at least 17 wins this season. And we have everyone returning plus Gift. Looks like a 20+ win season is on the horizon even without Lawrence.

Quote from: boo3 on February 03, 2013, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Moose on February 03, 2013, 02:27:11 PM

Quote from: Tiznow on February 03, 2013, 01:57:08 PM

How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B?  They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.

Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here.  Wrong on both counts.

Keep the faith.

On the contrary most of this board was saying Karr was coming regardless of what the experts outside were saying.

CO had too many twists and turns.

As for why the talk of no plan B?  Well Lavin was quoted as saying he had 2 and on 2 targets for 13.  We know who those targets are.  Well we know who the 1 is now.

  Lavin also indicated a few weeks ago that he may not use any ships...

Then he needs to look at the roster because Dom and Amir ain't hitting a 4 inch growth spurt anytime soon.

And please lets not genuflect waiting for Gift to return to provide us all that rebounding.  Check out his rebounding numbers as the season wore on last year.  He had some great games.  In blowouts.  And we saw in the other thread your thoughts on stats accumulated in blowouts.

  my quote on Gift -  "Gift will be back for whatever that is worth."

  Clearly genuflecting at the altar of Gift.... 

“@franfraschilla: Eastern AD's: Cincinnati's Darren Savino helps lock up Jermaine Lawrence for 'Cats. He's ready for head coaching gig! Great pedigree.”

Quote from: Moose on February 03, 2013, 02:36:48 PM

Quote from: boo3 on February 03, 2013, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Moose on February 03, 2013, 02:27:11 PM

Quote from: Tiznow on February 03, 2013, 01:57:08 PM

How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B?  They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.

Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here.  Wrong on both counts.

Keep the faith.

On the contrary most of this board was saying Karr was coming regardless of what the experts outside were saying.

CO had too many twists and turns.

As for why the talk of no plan B?  Well Lavin was quoted as saying he had 2 and on 2 targets for 13.  We know who those targets are.  Well we know who the 1 is now.

  Lavin also indicated a few weeks ago that he may not use any ships...

Then he needs to look at the roster because Dom and Amir ain't hitting a 4 inch growth spurt anytime soon.

And please lets not genuflect waiting for Gift to return to provide us all that rebounding.  Check out his rebounding numbers as the season wore on last year.  He had some great games.  In blowouts.  And we saw in the other thread your thoughts on stats accumulated in blowouts.

  my quote on Gift -  "Gift will be back for whatever that is worth."

  Clearly genuflecting at the altar of Gift.... 

Your right.  My 2nd line was more for those who hang his redshirt on every one of our losses this year.

My apologies for not being clear.

The loss of first Wainwright and now Lawrence is troubling, especially with both committing elsewhere before visiting. Sure. However, it sounds like we've been spoiled. We were down to the wire with a top 20 recruit who we had no business talking to before Lavin came in. We are by no means a perennial tournament team YET. Lavin's brought us this far with recruiting, I trust he has a lot left in the tank. We take the loss and move on.

I didn't mind too much Wainright committing else where. It is more striking out on the two local kids (McCollough and Lawrence). It also doesn't appear we have a legitimate back-up plan.

It is one thing to strike out with this class, but we can't afford to also strike out with the 2014 class.

I believe the advisor's name is Alexes Hargrove.

Quote from: steveyl15 on February 03, 2013, 02:38:27 PM

The loss of first Wainwright and now Lawrence is troubling, especially with both committing elsewhere before visiting. Sure. However, it sounds like we've been spoiled. We were down to the wire with a top 20 recruit who we had no business talking to before Lavin came in. We are by no means a perennial tournament team YET. Lavin's brought us this far with recruiting, I trust he has a lot left in the tank. We take the loss and move on.

I didn't mind too much Wainright committing else where. It is more striking out on the two local kids (McCollough and Lawrence). It also doesn't appear we have a legitimate back-up plan.

It is one thing to strike out with this class, but we can't afford to also strike out with the 2014 class.

Your right.  Never would have thought we missed on both Jermaine and Chris.

Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it

You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.

For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.

Quote from: kob24 on February 03, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it

You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.

For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.

I want the best NYC kid.  I don't want just a kid to fill a quota. 
That being said though many of these kids just probably want to get away.  KOB and Choz are closer to the game and maybe I'm wrong but if they asked kids I'm sure a good number will want to get away.

Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

Would it make a difference in terms of who they chose?

For the record Wainright is the one that surprised me.

Look at the SJU roster: Detroit, Texas, Chicago, Los Angeles, Akron etc.

Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

From a far, it seems like the coaching staff doesn't have the same sense or urgency, with regards to recruiting, as they displayed during their first two seasons. I would love to get perspective from other people who are tied into the recruiting scene.

I am really concerned about our 2014 recruiting. We missed on Chris and it looks like we are really behind the 8 ball with Whitehead. I know we are going hard after Carrington (sp?) but I' ve seen a couple of reports that we trail Yukon.

Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info.  Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why).  Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out.  Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.

Quote from: steveyl15 on February 03, 2013, 02:54:14 PM

Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

Would it make a difference in terms of who they chose?

For the record Wainright is the one that surprised me.

Look at the SJU roster: Detroit, Texas, Chicago, Los Angeles, Akron etc.

Technically we have 2 NY'ers in Obekpa and Felix.  Me personally I don't even really consider them NY'ers but that was the NY part of the 2012 class.  We had the best player in NYC in 2011.  As for 2013 the best player has chosen Cincy.  And the best player in '14 has chosen NY's Upstate team.

Quote from: Poison on February 03, 2013, 02:57:40 PM

Quote from: kob24 on February 03, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it

You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.

For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.

I want the best NYC kid.  I don't want just a kid to fill a quota. 
That being said though many of these kids just probably want to get away.  KOB and Choz are closer to the game and maybe I'm wrong but if they asked kids I'm sure a good number will want to get away.

I can certainly understand wanting to get away. Wanting to get away to a disgusting fly over state makes me believe w out a shadow of doubt that Cinci is cheating. There is no reason to go to Cincinnati for anything at all, let alone basketball.

Quote from: steveyl15 on February 03, 2013, 02:54:14 PM

Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info.  Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why).  Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out.  Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.

Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy.  You pick your spots with who you want to deal with.  Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.

Quote from: Howie71 on February 03, 2013, 03:02:08 PM

Quote from: steveyl15 on February 03, 2013, 02:54:14 PM

Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info.  Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why).  Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out.  Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.

Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy.  You pick your spots with who you want to deal with.  Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.

No I know and Harkless last year.  But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.

Quote from: Moose on February 03, 2013, 03:04:49 PM

Quote from: Howie71 on February 03, 2013, 03:02:08 PM

Quote from: steveyl15 on February 03, 2013, 02:54:14 PM

Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info.  Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why).  Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out.  Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.

Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy.  You pick your spots with who you want to deal with.  Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.

No I know and Harkless last year.  But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.

Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence?