Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

Quote from: desco80 on December 29, 2012, 06:41:14 PM

I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.

Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season.   But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.

That has to be a good sign, right?

Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids.  If we strike out then what?  You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season.  Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't.  We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit?  Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan.  That being said I still think we will get one.

Your right the strategy has some holes in it.  If we were replacing a number of guys I'd be concerned.  But since in reality the only player were going to definitely lose is a guy who hasn't played a minute yet this year I'll take the chances of landing at minimum 1 of the 2.  Plus we know Lavin can pull a guy in late.  My concern lies in us not being able to dangle immediate PT or minutes to someone in the spring.

The other problem is the two guys were going after we really don't 'need'.  We need Jordan if Harrison flies the coop and Lawrence if Karr leaves early.  We need another big man but nothing on the radar until '15.

Quote from: Happy on December 29, 2012, 06:56:39 PM

Quote from: desco80 on December 29, 2012, 06:41:14 PM

I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.

Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season.   But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.

That has to be a good sign, right?

Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids.  If we strike out then what?  You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season.  Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't.  We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit?  Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan.  That being said I still think we will get one.

Your right the strategy has some holes in it.  If we were replacing a number of guys I'd be concerned.  But since in reality the only player were going to definitely lose is a guy who hasn't played a minute yet this year I'll take the chances of landing at minimum 1 of the 2.  Plus we know Lavin can pull a guy in late.  My concern lies in us not being able to dangle immediate PT or minutes to someone in the spring.

The other problem is the two guys were going after we really don't 'need'.  We need Jordan if Harrison flies the coop and Lawrence if Karr leaves early.  We need another big man but nothing on the radar until '15.

I hate to say it Moose, but we NEED another forward who can score and get inside like Jakarr does.  Guys like Amir and Dom have not shown that they are close to the same level as Jakarr.  Lawrence can complete our front line next to Jakarr and Obekpa if we can keep Jakarr another year.  If not, we will be fine as well.  Bringing Gift back helps us up front as well.  We are sorely missing another dynamic forward up front.  Lawrence fits that bill.

Jermaine Lawrence Top 20 Senior - Syracuse, UNLV, St Johns or Cincinnati

I'm not one to turn away a Top 30 talent.  But the revolving roster door will continue.  People who we thought would be great 4th year players might pickup and leave.  The Top 30 kids might only stick around 1 or 2 years.  Sorry but again the roster makeup is flawed IMO.

I'm not one to turn away a Top 30 talent.  But the revolving roster door will continue.  People who we thought would be great 4th year players might pickup and leave.  The Top 30 kids might only stick around 1 or 2 years.  Sorry but again the roster makeup is flawed IMO.

I agree with you, but how do you correct it at this point?  I'd be the first to say this team needs another big man, but the '13 class is very slim on centers, and we didn't get involved with any of them early.

Quote from: Moose on December 29, 2012, 07:39:14 PM

I'm not one to turn away a Top 30 talent.  But the revolving roster door will continue.  People who we thought would be great 4th year players might pickup and leave.  The Top 30 kids might only stick around 1 or 2 years.  Sorry but again the roster makeup is flawed IMO.

I agree with you, but how do you correct it at this point?  I'd be the first to say this team needs another big man, but the '13 class is very slim on centers, and we didn't get involved with any of them early.

The only way you can correct it is to have eligibility run its course.  Because early defections will lead to throwing ships against a wall and seeing what sticks.  Jermaine coming on board would probably render a couple of upperclassmen useless in terms of minutes. 

I love lavIns ability to recruit but with the lack of a true point
In his second season (we will see about branch?) and the possibility
Of losing our best player(fill in the blank) combined with no conference for next year
Makes this program seem more like a launching pad rather than a program.
I love our players but like a tasteless steak something is missing and the uncertainty
Of a realistic coup of top talent breaks my heart.
I hope we win even if we gotta offer some 4 year guys that will run through Walls to play here.

Peope are nuts.  We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent.  Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time.   Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts.  They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time.  The roster mix is fine.  The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time. 

Peope are nuts.  We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent.  Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time.   Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts.  They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time.  The roster mix is fine.  The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time. 

I'll play this game.
We land Lawrence.  No other players leave (besides Sanchez).
Split up the minutes for me.

Quote from: MCNPA on December 29, 2012, 09:00:00 PM

Peope are nuts.  We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent.  Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time.   Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts.  They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time.  The roster mix is fine.  The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time. 

I'll play this game.
We land Lawrence.  No other players leave (besides Sanchez).
Split up the minutes for me.

If he's a stud than its easy. He gets quality minutes with our best lineup being Jamal deangelo JaKarr Jermaine and Chris. Phil being the sixth man, GG first big. Pick your poison with Amir Marco or Dom depending on the game/opponent.

If he's not as ready as jakarr and moe were then you work him in slowley and the lineup is similar to this year depending on player development and gift gets minutes up front.
Id call it a good problem.

Quote from: Moose on December 29, 2012, 09:03:33 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 29, 2012, 09:00:00 PM

Peope are nuts.  We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent.  Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time.   Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts.  They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time.  The roster mix is fine.  The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time. 

I'll play this game.
We land Lawrence.  No other players leave (besides Sanchez).
Split up the minutes for me.

If he's a stud than its easy. He gets quality minutes with our best lineup being Jamal deangelo JaKarr Jermaine and Chris. Phil being the sixth man, GG first big. Pick your poison with Amir Marco or Dom depending on the game/opponent.

If he's not as ready as jakarr and moe were then you work him in slowley and the lineup is similar to this year depending on player development and gift gets minutes up front.
Id call it a good problem.

I agree.  But you think some upperclassmen are going to like that after playing so many minutes their first two years?

And notice I mentioned nothing about Jordan.......

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 29, 2012, 09:46:27 PM

Quote from: Moose on December 29, 2012, 09:03:33 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 29, 2012, 09:00:00 PM

Peope are nuts.  We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent.  Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time.   Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts.  They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time.  The roster mix is fine.  The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time. 

I'll play this game.
We land Lawrence.  No other players leave (besides Sanchez).
Split up the minutes for me.

If he's a stud than its easy. He gets quality minutes with our best lineup being Jamal deangelo JaKarr Jermaine and Chris. Phil being the sixth man, GG first big. Pick your poison with Amir Marco or Dom depending on the game/opponent.

If he's not as ready as jakarr and moe were then you work him in slowley and the lineup is similar to this year depending on player development and gift gets minutes up front.
Id call it a good problem.

I agree.  But you think some upperclassmen are going to like that after playing so many minutes their first two years?

And notice I mentioned nothing about Jordan.......

Can't have it both ways. The best players get the most minutes. Players have to make sacrifices for the betterment of the team. Plus GG will be a senior and JaKarr essential one as well. Amir and Dom will get their minutes throughout their career.

And if we get rysheed than no one other than Phil deangelo branch and rysheed see minutes at the 1/2. Plenty of minutes.

Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?

With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved.  Hopefully Lavin can pull it off

Quote from: desco80 on December 29, 2012, 06:41:14 PM

I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.

Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season.   But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.

That has to be a good sign, right?

Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids.  If we strike out then what?  You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season.  Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't.  We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit?  Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan.  That being said I still think we will get one.

Well, we're scheduled to have 1) Jr. D'lo, 2) So. Jakarr, 3) So. Obekpa, 4) Jr. Sir Dom, 5) Jr. Amir, 6) Jr. Phil, 7) Jr. Jamal, 8 ) Sr. Marco, 9) So. Christian), 10) So. Felix, 11) Sr. Gift, and 12) So - or is he a Fr? Hooper for 2014.  And possibly  13) Sr. Sanchez (Who knows with the NCAA - IF they rule him eligible, it still COULD be for 2 years.  The one indisputable fact about him is he's played only 2 years of college ball).   

We'll "find" a ride if we get one or more of the targets to commit, but technically, ALL of our rides are already committed for 2014....

All said and done tho, I wish ONE of the kids we were hoping for was something we don't already have (position wise, not skill wise - you ALWAYS take a talented player, no matter the position!)  - like a  7' 250 lb guy. 

Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?

With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved.  Hopefully Lavin can pull it off

No.  But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number.  11 ships at most.  I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door.  Having a Marco or Max around is great.  They have a role.  Same with Gift.  By no way do I not want Jermaine here.  But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too.  As for Jordan  he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.

Quote from: Happy on December 29, 2012, 06:56:39 PM

Quote from: desco80 on December 29, 2012, 06:41:14 PM

I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.

Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season.   But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.

That has to be a good sign, right?

Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids.  If we strike out then what?  You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season.  Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't.  We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit?  Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan.  That being said I still think we will get one.

Well, we're scheduled to have 1) Jr. D'lo, 2) So. Jakarr, 3) So. Obekpa, 4) Jr. Sir Dom, 5) Jr. Amir, 6) Jr. Phil, 7) Jr. Jamal, 8 ) Sr. Marco, 9) So. Christian), 10) So. Felix, 11) Sr. Gift, and 12) So - or is he a Fr? Hooper for 2014.  And possibly  13) Sr. Sanchez (Who knows with the NCAA - IF they rule him eligible, it still COULD be for 2 years.  The one indisputable fact about him is he's played only 2 years of college ball).   

We'll "find" a ride if we get one or more of the targets to commit, but technically, ALL of our rides are already committed for 2014....

It was said for much of the summer Sanchez would only have 1 yr.  That was the chatter.  And it was coming from a number of fan bases not sour grapes after the fact.  Plus there is no way you redshirt Gift then if you knew he had a possible extra year.  You can pretty much use him as the open ship.

Quote from: crgreen on December 29, 2012, 10:13:04 PM

Quote from: Happy on December 29, 2012, 06:56:39 PM

Quote from: desco80 on December 29, 2012, 06:41:14 PM

I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.

Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season.   But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.

That has to be a good sign, right?

Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids.  If we strike out then what?  You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season.  Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't.  We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit?  Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan.  That being said I still think we will get one.

Well, we're scheduled to have 1) Jr. D'lo, 2) So. Jakarr, 3) So. Obekpa, 4) Jr. Sir Dom, 5) Jr. Amir, 6) Jr. Phil, 7) Jr. Jamal, 8 ) Sr. Marco, 9) So. Christian), 10) So. Felix, 11) Sr. Gift, and 12) So - or is he a Fr? Hooper for 2014.  And possibly  13) Sr. Sanchez (Who knows with the NCAA - IF they rule him eligible, it still COULD be for 2 years.  The one indisputable fact about him is he's played only 2 years of college ball).   

We'll "find" a ride if we get one or more of the targets to commit, but technically, ALL of our rides are already committed for 2014....

It was said for much of the summer Sanchez would only have 1 yr.  That was the chatter.  And it was coming from a number of fan bases not sour grapes after the fact.  Plus there is no way you redshirt Gift then if you knew he had a possible extra year.  You can pretty much use him as the open ship.

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Unless the NCAA doesn't allow him to play this year but WOULD allow it for next year.  Unlikely, yes.  But so is everything the NCAA has done with this kid.

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on December 29, 2012, 10:11:13 PM

Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?

With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved.  Hopefully Lavin can pull it off

No.  But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number.  11 ships at most.  I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door.  Having a Marco or Max around is great.  They have a role.  Same with Gift.  By no way do I not want Jermaine here.  But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too.  As for Jordan  he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.

Or we play a 3 guard lineup and Amir or Dom sit the bench.

I'm with you guys in saying you can't turn a talent like Jermaine down.. But we really need some muscle on the boards... Would love to grab a Juco with some size .

I'm with you guys in saying you can't turn a talent like Jermaine down.. But we really need some muscle on the boards... Would love to grab a Juco with some size .

I agree with you, but from what I know it seems unlikely to find size in the JUCO ranks.   We're more likely to find undersized muscle: think Gift, Sanchez, Brownlee.   Anybody 6'10 and above who had any skill at all was offered D1 scholarships out of HS.   It's the under the radar and undersized bigs that you find playing jUcO ball more often than not. 

Quote from: Happy on December 29, 2012, 10:32:22 PM

I'm with you guys in saying you can't turn a talent like Jermaine down.. But we really need some muscle on the boards... Would love to grab a Juco with some size .

I agree with you, but from what I know it seems unlikely to find size in the JUCO ranks.   We're more likely to find undersized muscle: think Gift, Sanchez, Brownlee.   Anybody 6'10 and above who had any skill at all was offered D1 scholarships out of HS.   It's the under the radar and undersized bigs that you find playing jUcO ball more often than not.

I don't care how tall the player is.. Just want a kid who wants to go to work and rebound.