Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns

Quote from: SJU79 on January 13, 2013, 10:44:21 AM

1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns

Terrific news

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 13, 2013, 12:44:43 PM

Quote from: SJU79 on January 13, 2013, 10:44:21 AM

1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns

Terrific news

This hasn't happened yet!

1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2013, 06:30:28 PM

Quote from: Poison on January 12, 2013, 06:25:01 PM

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2013, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 12, 2013, 05:59:17 PM

I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player. 

Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
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Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.

Dude how many losses would be wins with him?  1 maybe 2.  Call it an error if you want.  I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.

I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.

I disagree.  Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior?  How many wins will he add next year?  Dude, according to you not many.  Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior?  He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied.  Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year?  Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year?  Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.

Currently, Jones doesnt play at all.  That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket?  When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4.  No one on this team can play with their back to the basket.  No one can rebound either.  Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.

Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch.  It usually ends up in a missed jump shot.  We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year.  He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine.  That means he wont add wins next year.  Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit.  Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins"  play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.     


   
 
 

  I also think it was a mistake to redshirt Gift,dont understand the reasoning. He would have helped this year,more wins would help the branding of the program. How much PT would he get if Lawrence comes? Would have opened a scholi to fill a need.

Quote from: SJU79 on January 13, 2013, 10:44:21 AM

1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....

Great news '79.

But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?

Quote from: redstorm212 on January 13, 2013, 01:06:19 PM

Quote from: SJU79 on January 13, 2013, 10:44:21 AM

1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....

Great news '79.

But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?

Or is he eligible?

Quote from: SJU79 on January 13, 2013, 10:44:21 AM

1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....

Great news '79.

But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2013, 06:30:28 PM

Quote from: Poison on January 12, 2013, 06:25:01 PM

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2013, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 12, 2013, 05:59:17 PM

I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player. 

Another reason why Gift is redshirted.

Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.

Dude how many losses would be wins with him?  1 maybe 2.  Call it an error if you want.  I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.

I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.

I disagree.  Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior?  How many wins will he add next year?  Dude, according to you not many.  Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior?  He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied.  Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year?  Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year?  Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.

Currently, Jones doesnt play at all.  That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket?  When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4.  No one on this team can play with their back to the basket.  No one can rebound either.  Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.

Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch.  It usually ends up in a missed jump shot.  We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year.  He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine.  That means he wont add wins next year.  Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit.  Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins"  play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.     


   
 
 

Quote from: redstorm212 on January 13, 2013, 01:06:19 PM

Quote from: SJU79 on January 13, 2013, 10:44:21 AM

1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....

Great news '79.

But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?

From everything I've read/heard he is extremely skilled and can shoot very well.

2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.

Quote from: B-Squared on January 13, 2013, 03:19:45 AM

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2013, 06:30:28 PM

Quote from: Poison on January 12, 2013, 06:25:01 PM

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2013, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 12, 2013, 05:59:17 PM

I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player. 

Another reason why Gift is redshirted.

Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.

Dude how many losses would be wins with him?  1 maybe 2.  Call it an error if you want.  I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.

I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.

I disagree.  Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior?  How many wins will he add next year?  Dude, according to you not many.  Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior?  He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied.  Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year?  Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year?  Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.

Currently, Jones doesnt play at all.  That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket?  When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4.  No one on this team can play with their back to the basket.  No one can rebound either.  Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.

Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch.  It usually ends up in a missed jump shot.  We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year.  He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine.  That means he wont add wins next year.  Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit.  Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins"  play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.     


   
 
 

I've said it 1000 times now I'll say it a 1001.  Gift isn't adding many wins no matter what year.  But having a 5th year Sr is light years more valuable than a freshman as we have seen first hand.  And if Lavin is targeting next year as "the" year which he has said multiple times.  When the 2011 class are upperclassmen.  Then its smart to keep Gift around.  He doesn't have many targets in '13 because he was playing catchup after scrambling for '11 and '12 classes.  So instead of reach and take another 'new' guy why not save Gift.

And for those all angry he did it in light of Sanchez being ruled ineligible in November.  We don't know if it was Nov 1 or Nov 30.  It would be unfair to Gift to yo yo him and pull the redshirt then.  The kid wants his Masters degree as well so it works for all parties.

We are fans who can 2nd guess him till the cows come home. But bottom line he has a better idea of what kids he has a chance with than any of us know.  He knows its thin in 13. 

Quote from: Moose on January 13, 2013, 01:30:49 PM

Quote from: B-Squared on January 13, 2013, 03:19:45 AM

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2013, 06:30:28 PM

Quote from: Poison on January 12, 2013, 06:25:01 PM

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2013, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 12, 2013, 05:59:17 PM

I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player. 

Another reason why Gift is redshirted.

Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.

Dude how many losses would be wins with him?  1 maybe 2.  Call it an error if you want.  I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.

I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.

I disagree.  Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior?  How many wins will he add next year?  Dude, according to you not many.  Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior?  He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied.  Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year?  Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year?  Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.

Currently, Jones doesnt play at all.  That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket?  When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4.  No one on this team can play with their back to the basket.  No one can rebound either.  Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.

Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch.  It usually ends up in a missed jump shot.  We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year.  He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine.  That means he wont add wins next year.  Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit.  Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins"  play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.     


   
 
 

I've said it 1000 times now I'll say it a 1001.  Gift isn't adding many wins no matter what year.  But having a 5th year Sr is light years more valuable than a freshman as we have seen first hand.  And if Lavin is targeting next year as "the" year which he has said multiple times.  When the 2011 class are upperclassmen.  Then its smart to keep Gift around.  He doesn't have many targets in '13 because he was playing catchup after scrambling for '11 and '12 classes.  So instead of reach and take another 'new' guy why not save Gift.

And for those all angry he did it in light of Sanchez being ruled ineligible in November.  We don't know if it was Nov 1 or Nov 30.  It would be unfair to Gift to yo yo him and pull the redshirt then.  The kid wants his Masters degree as well so it works for all parties.

We are fans who can 2nd guess him till the cows come home. But bottom line he has a better idea of what kids he has a chance with than any of us know.  He knows its thin in 13. 

You can say it all you like, a lot of people don't agree, and that's their right. These are Lavin's "Young Johnnies", and this is his fault. He will be held accountable for this dramatic failure. He has put out one of the worst St.John's teams I've ever seem, and I'll say it right now, of he doesn't make adjustments, and improvements, he should be fired.

He redshirted GIft because next year is the year we are planning on making the big jump.  We will have upper class and Sampson will have another year under his belt.  Next year if we stay in the big east we will have an extremely tough schedule, my sources have already confirmed that we will be playing in the legends classic at the barclays center next year and there will be at least two top 10 teams in that field.   This year is about developing and next year is really year three where the jump will be made.  People on this board have to realize we started from complete scratch last year, this is really like year 2, and if you don't understand what it takes to build a program after 10 years of disaster coaching then you should get your head examined.

-bucknasty

He redshirted GIft because next year is the year we are planning on making the big jump.  We will have upper class and Sampson will have another year under his belt.  Next year if we stay in the big east we will have an extremely tough schedule, my sources have already confirmed that we will be playing in the legends classic at the barclays center next year and there will be at least two top 10 teams in that field.   This year is about developing and next year is really year three where the jump will be made.  People on this board have to realize we started from complete scratch last year, this is really like year 2, and if you don't understand what it takes to build a program after 10 years of disaster coaching then you should get your head examined.

-bucknasty

Quote from: manhatten1 on January 13, 2013, 03:43:37 PM

He redshirted GIft because next year is the year we are planning on making the big jump.  We will have upper class and Sampson will have another year under his belt.  Next year if we stay in the big east we will have an extremely tough schedule, my sources have already confirmed that we will be playing in the legends classic at the barclays center next year and there will be at least two top 10 teams in that field.   This year is about developing and next year is really year three where the jump will be made.  People on this board have to realize we started from complete scratch last year, this is really like year 2, and if you don't understand what it takes to build a program after 10 years of disaster coaching then you should get your head examined.

-bucknasty

Lavin told me 12-13 would be the breakout year. Is he a liar?

Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..

I'd appreciate any info.