Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

I under no circumstance think he posted that to get attention. He posted what someone told him. He has many sources and friends. Whether what was told him is accurate is another story. I wouldn't be shocked if he is right. I hope he is wrong on this one but I have always trusted what he has shared with posters at redmen.com and now on twitter.

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I under no circumstance think he posted that to get attention. He posted what someone told him. He has many sources and friends. Whether what was told him is accurate is another story. I wouldn't be shocked if he is right. I hope he is wrong on this one but I have always trusted what he has shared with posters at redmen.com and now on twitter.

What he said

Like Ted said he's not stirring the pot.

But there is a definite history between him and the handler so that might be played against him and what he's hearing.

The Maven could very well be right as of today but wrong as of tomorrow.

In many cases these situations change from day to day.

The Maven could very well be right as of today but wrong as of tomorrow.

In many cases these situations change from day to day.

ie Chris Obekpa

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Maven and Naclerio = best buds.  There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .

Thanks Happy.  That makes more sense.

Who is Naclerio?

Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO

Agree with that Happy!

Is he an STJ grad? or am I making that up

Yes.  He's always thought he deserves a place on the staff and when Norm didn't hire him what was a tenuous relationship with the school got even worse or at least that's what those posters connected to the NY basketball scene have implied.

We learned right away just how dumb Norm was when he ignored the chance to add a prominent NYC high school coach to the staff. He should have been blackballed from coaching for that alone.

naclerio dresses like a homeless guy...but his reputation is that he improves his players.  this is exactly what norm needed.  instead, he chose to hire personal friends who did little to help the program...or save his job.

he may be steering his players away.  i asked him about james southerland.. he told me syracuse was always his dream school.

nba players still work out with naclerio.  he's respected.  we should have brought him on board instead of hicks.  i'm not sure what he's doing at sju.  he was supposed to be a pipeline.

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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.

And your source was?

Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.

who needs bad information?  without the source, the information has proven more often than not to be worthless.

You worked in news.  We've been thru this a number of times.  The internet and message boards are NOT the news your familiar with.  You had to tell you editor your source right?  Just so they knew and were comfortable.  You didn't publish who it was but still needed to vet it.  Thats not the case here. and thats all I'm saying.  If I posted who told me stuff I would never get information again.

i completely agree.  admit, though, you'd be more comfortable if someone wrote...as derk did...a source close to the family...or a friend at carnesecca arena...or an assistant coach.  there's so much bad information, that no one believes anything, anymore.

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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.

And your source was?

Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.

who needs bad information?  without the source, the information has proven more often than not to be worthless.

You worked in news.  We've been thru this a number of times.  The internet and message boards are NOT the news your familiar with.  You had to tell you editor your source right?  Just so they knew and were comfortable.  You didn't publish who it was but still needed to vet it.  Thats not the case here. and thats all I'm saying.  If I posted who told me stuff I would never get information again.

i completely agree.  admit, though, you'd be more comfortable if someone wrote...as derk did...a source close to the family...or a friend at carnesecca arena...or an assistant coach.  there's so much bad information, that no one believes anything, anymore.

Well if thats all you want I think thats fine.  A source close to STJ.  A source close to the family.  A source close to the handler.  That stuff is fine.

I have a pretty good grasp on who tells me what.  I don't get too high or too low.  I have seen how crazy recruitments have been.

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Maven and Naclerio = best buds.  There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .

Thanks Happy.  That makes more sense.

Who is Naclerio?

Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO

Agree with that Happy!

Is he an STJ grad? or am I making that up

Yes.  He's always thought he deserves a place on the staff and when Norm didn't hire him what was a tenuous relationship with the school got even worse or at least that's what those posters connected to the NY basketball scene have implied.

We learned right away just how dumb Norm was when he ignored the chance to add a prominent NYC high school coach to the staff. He should have been blackballed from coaching for that alone.

naclerio dresses like a homeless guy...but his reputation is that he improves his players.  this is exactly what norm needed.  instead, he chose to hire personal friends who did little to help the program...or save his job.

he may be steering his players away.  i asked him about james southerland.. he told me syracuse was always his dream school.

nba players still work out with naclerio.  he's respected.  we should have brought him on board instead of hicks.  i'm not sure what he's doing at sju.  he was supposed to be a pipeline.

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

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does anyone think that maybe, just maybe, Maven is trying to stir the pot just to get attention? i don't know the guy personally but have followed his posts for years.  seems like the type of guy who just needs the attention. 

and with his recent tweet, we've all fallen into his trap...

I under no circumstance think he posted that to get attention. He posted what someone told him. He has many sources and friends. Whether what was told him is accurate is another story. I wouldn't be shocked if he is right. I hope he is wrong on this one but I have always trusted what he has shared with posters at redmen.com and now on twitter.

From personal contact, totally agree Ted.

 I'm sticking with SJU '79.  He told us already what he knows. No need for him to come back and say same thing again.

If anything changes, I'm sure he will let us know.

What I can gather, both SJU79 and Maven are reliable sources. Kids change their mind all the time. Well just have to wait it out. Id love to get  Lawrence, but if nobody jumps to the pros well be in good shape next year regardless.

What I can gather, both SJU79 and Maven are reliable sources. Kids change their mind all the time. Well just have to wait it out. Id love to get  Lawrence, but if nobody jumps to the pros well be in good shape next year regardless.

Agreed, but if we don't land anyone from 2013 class, the pressure is on to score some major 2014 recruits, or else we will be in the same boat that Norm left us in: needing to fill a lot of spots in 2 years with freshman and JUCOs.

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit.  Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be.  The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.

Also Naclerio has nothing to do with Lawrence's recruitment. Good, bad, or otherwise he holds zero weight.

I initially mentioned Naclerio as a starting point to Mavens hostility towards Jermaine's handler and yes he has no input .  He couldn't even keep Jermaine on his team.

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Also Naclerio has nothing to do with Lawrence's recruitment. Good, bad, or otherwise he holds zero weight.

I initially mentioned Naclerio as a starting point to Mavens hostility towards Jermaine's handler and yes he has no input .  He couldn't even keep Jermaine on his team.

Yeah a lot of kids that are friends with jermaine said the pub to him once he left cardoza was over whelming to him, he held it against naclerio that none of tha Stuff was happening while at dozo but suddenly happened once he left.

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit.  Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be.  The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.

In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.

think he is that old hockey analyst on MSG.  The guy with the beard.

He used to post on Redmen and BEB. Very combative poster(I met him and liked him and his son for what it is worth)he was connected to HS and college basketball. I haven't seen him in a few years, but he was usually correct on his "predictions" or "exclusives" as he used to call them. If I was laying money I say Lawrence is going to Cincy.

Safe to assume you are referring to Maven.  I saw him at CA for the Depaul game.  He seems to be well connected and has had good information in the past.  Who knows what he knows about JL---or whether there is a bias toward Savino.

Where is Maven posting now? Kind of miss his imputs!

From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades.  Fortunately, he came back.

As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts.  A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face.  No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit.  I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years).  Good, not great, HS coach.  Not worth the headache.