Anyone in favor of Rent Ty Walker for the 2012-2013 season?

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Are we really that small of a frontline?  God's Gift at 6'9"245.  Pelle at 6'10".  We used to be small.  This is bigger than we've been in a long time overall.

We have two big men. That's it.

How many serviceable big men did Uconn have last year again?

Alex Oriakhi C was a mcds all american & was past serviceable in

Roscoe Smith was their starting PF Jordan Brand classic

The answers are as follows:

1). Uconn won the nc last year with ONE serviceable center, which was Oriakhi
2). Roscoe smith was their starting PF at 6'7" and 195
3) God's gift might be 6'8"but at 240-250 has the size to play the post
4). No chance Pelle is sun 6'9".

sun 6'9?

I think I said somewhere last year that Coker should have be redshirted. He could of gave us some minutes this year to spell GG and Pelle. 5 fouls to give and we know he wouldnt have gotten the ball on offense

The staff DID NOT want Coker.  If he couldn't play in front of Polee last year, why would he play over bigger kids ranked way higher?

Besides, we needed that scholarship at various points during the season.  It's easy to say that now with Polee and Meikle gone and a few of our other targets selecting other schools.  I'm sure Lavin would rather have had a chance at PF like Jamari over a dud like Coker. 

Quote from: MCNPA on July 12, 2011, 10:57:05 PM

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Quote from: MCNPA on July 12, 2011, 05:51:32 PM

Are we really that small of a frontline?  God's Gift at 6'9"245.  Pelle at 6'10".  We used to be small.  This is bigger than we've been in a long time overall.

We have two big men. That's it.

How many serviceable big men did Uconn have last year again?

Alex Oriakhi C was a mcds all american & was past serviceable in

Roscoe Smith was their starting PF Jordan Brand classic

The answers are as follows:

1). Uconn won the nc last year with ONE serviceable center, which was Oriakhi
2). Roscoe smith was their starting PF at 6'7" and 195
3) God's gift might be 6'8"but at 240-250 has the size to play the post
4). No chance Pelle is sun 6'9".

sun 6'9?

I think I said somewhere last year that Coker should have be redshirted. He could of gave us some minutes this year to spell GG and Pelle. 5 fouls to give and we know he wouldnt have gotten the ball on offense

Another iPad typo.  I meant it to say sub-6'9"

Hey MCNPA, you're really making the Ipad look bad.  : ) 

Actually, to anyone who doesn't have one, it is a fantastic device.  My laptop is obsolete now.  And folks, please don't fall for one of those other tablet devices.  Get the real thing.  You won't regret it.

Hey MCNPA, you're really making the Ipad look bad.  : ) 

Actually, to anyone who doesn't have one, it is a fantastic device.  My laptop is obsolete now.  And folks, please don't fall for one of those other tablet devices.  Get the real thing.  You won't regret it.

Just bought one today.  My goal is to type better than MCN.  Shouldnt take much effort

As a St.Johns fan I hope I am wrong about our teams biggest players being 6-8 affecting us negatively. IMO I see bad when playing elite teams because it leaves us with no low post threat on offense & very small on defense.One of the reason why Zags,UCLA among others beat us was because of their height and bulk.
I was just trying to find a solution & Ty Walker fit that bill since he blocks a shot about every 6 mins at 7 foot 230.Would only cost us 1 ship for 1 year and allow God's gift & Pelle to play most their minutes at their more natural position PF.
Plus does anyone know about us recruiting any true Center's in the upcoming years? I don't recall seeing anyone on the radar? I was hoping to bridge the gap until we recruit one

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I am a lead at Bestbuy , when I first arrived back in 2008 we had 10 desktops & 22 different laptops & zero tablets.Now we have only 4 desktops , 12 laptops and about 12 different tablets 1 being an Ipad. Technology moves fast!

I think Yankcranker has it right, and some of y'all don't want to hear that. You can think that having two post players (and possibly Jakarr as a semi- power forward) is fine, but it will affect the team. Sometimes a team can with despite that. Sometimes they can't. There were games (January, early to mid Feb) where Justin Brownlee, playing center, couldn't get shots off. The big Gonzaga team batted the squad around like they were actually good.

The issue is not whether one of the incoming centers is Big East third-team (or whatever Oriakhi was) caliber. It's whether those two guys (and the staff) can create a style that doesn't leave them exposed to foul troubles.

And if one gets injured, or too surly in practice? If one of them is a Maurice Sutton talent?

Great posts by Kahnight and Peter! Robert Sacre looked like Godzilla next to our guys and our bigs were bouncing off Joshua Smith-that guy is unguardable

Great posts by Kahnight and Peter! Robert Sacre looked like Godzilla next to our guys and our bigs were bouncing off Joshua Smith-that guy is unguardable

Josh Smith is a different story, but we looked so bad against Gonzaga and Sacre because of our lack of offensive rebounding...it was simply not there for us on that side of the ball...it's inexcusable.  Our guys were heading back  on defense after shots were hoisted.  Our team last year had NO LENGTH at all and we were undersized at every position.  I think we started 5'9, 6'2, and 6'3 PG through SF against

We'd all like to have another big man, but 6'10 Pelle and 6'9 GG are a helluva a lot bigger than what we started last year with 6'6 Brownlee and 6'7 Polee.   We can bring 3-4 guys off the bench just as big or taller than them and they all weigh more than Polee.

Don't forget, we have the mad scientest, Dunlap, to equalize any size problems with a creative zone.  We didnt' have the ball-handlers to really make teams pay consistently for crashing the glass against the zone. 

Didn't BYU defeat Gonzaga handily after our loss?  Hadn't BYU lost their best big man to some kind of morals clause leaving their front-line vulnerable to Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  What strategy did BYU employ to defeat Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  Can StJ replicate that strategy for similar front-line deficiencies?

Didn't BYU defeat Gonzaga handily after our loss?  Hadn't BYU lost their best big man to some kind of morals clause leaving their front-line vulnerable to Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  What strategy did BYU employ to defeat Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  Can StJ replicate that strategy for similar front-line deficiencies?

Yea they did smack Gonzaga around without Brandon Davies their best big man.  Their strategy was called Jimmer Fredette.  The fact that he could shoot it the second he crossed half court spread out the Gonzaga defense.  In our game I recalled Hardy not starting out the game with any aggression and taking a long time to get his shots.  He was deferring.  Maybe if he started out like a house on fire it could have changed the defense focus on Gonzaga.  Instead they packed it in.

I was going to say they Fredetted them but Moose beat me to it.

Also they only outboarded BYU by 11 vs by 23 against STJ.  STJ just had an awful game on the boards.  It was a bit of an anomaly as they weren't that bad all year but Sacre, like Ken Johnson before him, was a big playing against a team without one that impacted a game in a big way.  Of course DJ was STJ's leading rebounder all year.  With him it would have been a different game, not saying they would have won but it would have been a different game.

Lavin said in zags interview today that he looks for first and foremost size on the recruiting trail.Especially with the physicality of the big east, so at least coach sees the gaping hole even though most that did response do not

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Quote from: MCNPA on July 12, 2011, 09:42:59 PM

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Quote from: MCNPA on July 12, 2011, 05:51:32 PM

Are we really that small of a frontline?  God's Gift at 6'9"245.  Pelle at 6'10".  We used to be small.  This is bigger than we've been in a long time overall.

We have two big men. That's it.

How many serviceable big men did Uconn have last year again?

Alex Oriakhi C was a mcds all american & was past serviceable in

Roscoe Smith was their starting PF Jordan Brand classic

The answers are as follows:

1). Uconn won the nc last year with ONE serviceable center, which was Oriakhi
2). Roscoe smith was their starting PF at 6'7" and 195
3) God's gift might be 6'8"but at 240-250 has the size to play the post
4). No chance Pelle is sun 6'9".

sun 6'9?

I think I said somewhere last year that Coker should have be redshirted. He could of gave us some minutes this year to spell GG and Pelle. 5 fouls to give and we know he wouldnt have gotten the ball on offense

You say you think you said Coker should redshirt last year-I know I posted that (on another site).

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Quote from: MCNPA on July 12, 2011, 05:51:32 PM

Are we really that small of a frontline?  God's Gift at 6'9"245.  Pelle at 6'10".  We used to be small.  This is bigger than we've been in a long time overall.

We have two big men. That's it.

How many serviceable big men did Uconn have last year again?

Alex Oriakhi C was a mcds all american & was past serviceable in

Roscoe Smith was their starting PF Jordan Brand classic

The answers are as follows:

1). Uconn won the nc last year with ONE serviceable center, which was Oriakhi
2). Roscoe smith was their starting PF at 6'7" and 195
3) God's gift might be 6'8"but at 240-250 has the size to play the post
4). No chance Pelle is sun 6'9".

sun 6'9?

I think I said somewhere last year that Coker should have be redshirted. He could of gave us some minutes this year to spell GG and Pelle. 5 fouls to give and we know he wouldnt have gotten the ball on offense

You say you think you said Coker should redshirt last year-I know I posted that (on another site).

Actually, I think I said Burrell or Evans could have redshirted also. Another year with this staff would have worked wonders for all 3, especially for Burrell. But both were major contributors and we werent having that type of year without them

Didn't BYU defeat Gonzaga handily after our loss?  Hadn't BYU lost their best big man to some kind of morals clause leaving their front-line vulnerable to Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  What strategy did BYU employ to defeat Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  Can StJ replicate that strategy for similar front-line deficiencies?

BYU started 6'2, 6'3, 6'5, 6'6, and 6'8 in that game with only one player weighing over 215.  Fredette went for 34, but they beat the crap out of Gonzaga by 22 pts and they did so as a team with passing and good shooting.

We only grabbed four offensive rebounds in our game against Gonzaga.  We were outrebounded 41-18!!!!  We lost lost because we didn't clean the glass on the offensive side and we didn't make them pay for crashing the boards on their offensive glass.  We had, what, one fastbreak all game? 

There is no way this new roster only grabs four offensive rebounds in any game, and with more ball-handlers and athletes, they will be able to make teams pay for crashing the weakside glass against the zone.  At any given time you could have four guys on the court that can rebound and take the ball down the court.

Also, I'd be shocked if Lavin hasn't found some 6'10 walkon somewhere with all his connections. 

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Didn't BYU defeat Gonzaga handily after our loss?  Hadn't BYU lost their best big man to some kind of morals clause leaving their front-line vulnerable to Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  What strategy did BYU employ to defeat Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  Can StJ replicate that strategy for similar front-line deficiencies?

Also, I'd be shocked if Lavin hasn't found some 6'10 walkon somewhere with all his connections. 

Um 6'10 walkon?  Those don't exactly grow on trees.

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Quote from: capmaker on July 14, 2011, 07:47:14 AM

Didn't BYU defeat Gonzaga handily after our loss?  Hadn't BYU lost their best big man to some kind of morals clause leaving their front-line vulnerable to Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  What strategy did BYU employ to defeat Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  Can StJ replicate that strategy for similar front-line deficiencies?

Also, I'd be shocked if Lavin hasn't found some 6'10 walkon somewhere with all his connections. 

Um 6'10 walkon?  Those don't exactly grow on trees.

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Quote from: capmaker on July 14, 2011, 07:47:14 AM

Didn't BYU defeat Gonzaga handily after our loss?  Hadn't BYU lost their best big man to some kind of morals clause leaving their front-line vulnerable to Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  What strategy did BYU employ to defeat Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  Can StJ replicate that strategy for similar front-line deficiencies?

Also, I'd be shocked if Lavin hasn't found some 6'10 walkon somewhere with all his connections. 

Um 6'10 walkon?  Those don't exactly grow on trees.

They are out there if you know where too look.  I'm sure Lavin does.  Missere was 6'8 and was only playing as a ringer on my frat team before walking on.  He more than held his own. Wouldn't be such a bad thing to grab a big kid that is only getting low D-1/high D-2 interest if for nothing else that just having a big body to practice with and five fouls to give in a game. 

A handful of years Sullivan grabbed a pair of 6'9 kids real late for JUCO...both ended up going D-1.  One of them was eligible for D-1 from jumpstreet.

CRGreen posted that Lavin has talked kids into walking on in the past.

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Quote from: capmaker on July 14, 2011, 07:47:14 AM

Didn't BYU defeat Gonzaga handily after our loss?  Hadn't BYU lost their best big man to some kind of morals clause leaving their front-line vulnerable to Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  What strategy did BYU employ to defeat Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  Can StJ replicate that strategy for similar front-line deficiencies?

Also, I'd be shocked if Lavin hasn't found some 6'10 walkon somewhere with all his connections. 

Um 6'10 walkon?  Those don't exactly grow on trees.

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Quote from: Moose on July 15, 2011, 04:54:11 PM

Quote from: Marillac on July 15, 2011, 03:53:20 PM

Quote from: capmaker on July 14, 2011, 07:47:14 AM

Didn't BYU defeat Gonzaga handily after our loss?  Hadn't BYU lost their best big man to some kind of morals clause leaving their front-line vulnerable to Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  What strategy did BYU employ to defeat Sacre and the other Gonzaga big guys?  Can StJ replicate that strategy for similar front-line deficiencies?

Also, I'd be shocked if Lavin hasn't found some 6'10 walkon somewhere with all his connections. 

Um 6'10 walkon?  Those don't exactly grow on trees.

They are out there if you know where too look.  I'm sure Lavin does.  Missere was 6'8 and was only playing as a ringer on my frat team before walking on.  He more than held his own. Wouldn't be such a bad thing to grab a big kid that is only getting low D-1/high D-2 interest if for nothing else that just having a big body to practice with and five fouls to give in a game. 

A handful of years Sullivan grabbed a pair of 6'9 kids real late for JUCO...both ended up going D-1.  One of them was eligible for D-1 from jumpstreet.

CRGreen posted that Lavin has talked kids into walking on in the past.

Missere was at STJ for one reason, his father and a free education.  Not a true walkon.  But I'd take walkons like him any day of the week.

So would I! Anyone else working for st.johns who has a son 6-9 or taller?

Marillac  we also had ton of seniors who brought that up classmen swagger & that team hit the weight room pretty hard.Our team last year was mentally and Physical stronger than this years team. I don't foresee them being better on boards do to lack of college coaching & weight room sessions.But as I said in last post lavin is looking for size first and foremost so he also notices that we are like the Knicks and need a big man

This year our three biggest guys, Evans, Burrell and Coker spent an inordinate amount of time on the bench and we won because Hardy took over and Paris and DJ (our best rebounder) held their own.  We now have excellent size at both guard positions and a host of options at the three.  If anything way may have problems dealing with 6 footers unless Stith steps it up.  I'm not worried about our size at all after seeing who started last year.