Pelle, Sampson, Garrett Ruled Ineligible for Fall

"Though the players received A grades across the board, more than what was needed to attain eligibility, the NCAA felt St. John’s was trying to manipulate the system. They denied all the grades, leaving the players with one option: make up the work in prep school."

I am with the other posters.  How did St. John's "manipulate the system"? I, as do all other teachers, submit our grades at the end of the semester.  All the college has is the final grades.  How does an outside institute (like St. John's) manipulate the grades?

Are we talking about a form of stereotyping or discrimination here?

I have had "A" students receive "C" grades and vice versa.  One of the main reasons why a struggling student may do better than his/her prior record would indicate is motivation.  You have to think that our three recruits were very highly motivated to do well so they could begin both their college education and their college basketball careers.

I really wish the NCAA would come out with its specific reasoning for the manipulation charges.  For one thing, besides hurting the three students, it puts a blemish on Coach Lavin and St. John's. 

Law School Alumni, we could use your help here!

Sources told The Post that Garrett and Sampson are contacting prep schools in order to gain eligibility. They are considering Bridgton Academy in Massachusetts, Brewster Academy in New Hampshire, South Kent School in Connecticut and IMG Academy in Florida.
They will need to take three classes each. If each player passes three classes, they would be eligible to enroll at St. John’s for the spring semester, just in time for the start of league play.

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Though the players received A grades across the board, more than what was needed to attain eligibility, the NCAA felt St. John’s was trying to manipulate the system. They denied all the grades, leaving the players with one option: make up the work in prep school.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/riding_out_the_storm_ineligible_vdAH6HXzJz88cIhpOAszmI#ixzz1YFl2kMc4

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on September 17, 2011, 06:54:58 PM

Sources told The Post that Garrett and Sampson are contacting prep schools in order to gain eligibility. They are considering Bridgton Academy in Massachusetts, Brewster Academy in New Hampshire, South Kent School in Connecticut and IMG Academy in Florida.
They will need to take three classes each. If each player passes three classes, they would be eligible to enroll at St. John’s for the spring semester, just in time for the start of league play.

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Though the players received A grades across the board, more than what was needed to attain eligibility, the NCAA felt St. John’s was trying to manipulate the system. They denied all the grades, leaving the players with one option: make up the work in prep school.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/riding_out_the_storm_ineligible_vdAH6HXzJz88cIhpOAszmI#ixzz1YFl2kMc4

If this is what ends up happening that would be very good news for us. Honestly we all knew this could be a rebuilding year where we took our lumps so if we can get at least Jakarr and Garrett to be back by league play and ready for next year that would be a good outcome to this story. Also to take a positive approach on this issue all the guys who are left are going to get a ton of pt and add a full year of Jakarr, Garrett, Gathers and a couple others we would still be in great shape for the future.

If our guys do what has to be done they will be back wearing SJU uniforms in a few short months. It is unlikely that this will be a disaster of epic proportion. Sampson and Garrett have already shown that they are willing to take this setback like a man and I expect to hear the same from Pelle shortly. They will grow and enjoy widespread respect by showing they can overcome adversities of this sort.

We can do likewise.

This could end up being a good thing.  It gives guys like Greene and GG some big minutes and it will allow Nuri and especially Harrison to jump right into big time scoring roles.

This could end up being a good thing.  It gives guys like Greene and GG some big minutes and it will allow Nuri and especially Harrison to jump right into big time scoring roles. 

I really hope we see all three in December.  Garrett seems the most serious about it, but Sampson and Pelle are locks for near 30 minutes per game. 

There seems to be many opinions about different combinations of the 3 not eventually ending up at St J. But why? They all signed with us, were close to enrolling at the school and seemed all in and in love with the Johnnies. So why the heck wouldn't all 3 still want to end up at St J?

Anyone think HallDan can give us odds on which players make it here in December?

Quote from: Moose on September 18, 2011, 11:36:06 PM

Anyone think HallDan can give us odds on which players make it here in December?

Well then mj could tell us what was exactly on the minds of all three and rebutt whatever halldan has to say only to agree with halldans last rumor.

1. Lots of people who think of college sports as amateur sports think the kids are fairly compensated, using a private college figure of 40-50K per year.

Is college worth that much? Is it worth that much to everyone?

Because that changes rather wildly dependent on profession - you can't tell me someone who uses college as finishing school/ to get her "mrs" degree has the same value on college as someone whose goal is a 6-figure salary. Or do you mean the sticker price, which also varies wildly?

I loved college. I found a lot of value in it. But it's a bit of a scam. And it's necessary for many of us as an entry requirement into a certain class of job.

But if your job is basketball, school isn't really a requirement - it's only a requirement insofar as the NBA and NCAA collude to make it so. I'm not making the "pay the players" argument here, just trying to get y'all thinking with a little nuance about what "compensation" means. They are essentially forced to play in college - there is no secondary market for their talents.

Heres the thing. I dont mean no disrepct to your son and I appreciate the arts immensely.

But the marketplace values an 18-year-old who can run and jump and sink a J at the highest level more than an 18-year-old who plays jazz at the highest level.

But the 18-year-old baller can't benefit by his talents to his fullest capacity because the NCAA is a multi-billion dollar monopoly under the guise of a non-profit wit a social mission.

The ballers are a labor force. The NCAA and its members are employers.  And the fans create the marketplace. 

Take away the NCAA and y'all still got the marketplace wanting to see (and pay for) 18-year-olds who can run and jump and sink a J. Except now, they can be justly compensated under a new employer.

So lemme ask you this... yo son ever get paid for a gig playin the sax while he was still in school? Even if he didn't he had the ability to. He had the ability to benefit from his talents to his fullest capacity. A baller cant do that. And thats the problem.

Peace out!

As of today None of the 3 will qualify until next season should they decide to stay. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news again...