Nurideen Lindsey to transfer

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #160 on: December 09, 2011, 11:52:57 AM »
Is anyone else nervous that Lavin may not be coaching this year? I am probably just reading into it to much, but couldn't Nuri and the rest of the team been told that Lavin will not coach this year and this is why Lindsey decided to leave. He might have believed his own hype that he could be in the NBA next year, and didn't think it was possible if Lavin wasn't coaching him this year. I am most likely paranoid with all the bad news that has been coming out.

  Sure.  If he doesn't come back we are screwed.  No recruit is going to commit here no matter how much you think you can schmooze them. Obviously his health is priority is number 1, but he has to come back.  He needs to get in front of this in the media,  quickly.

 What bothers me the most is the way Nuri's handlers are speaking in other forums. Bad mouthing Lavin, Dunlap, and the other players.  Not surprised considering they are from Philly.  Like Lavin is a liar because he got sick?   I suspect we never hear from Nuri again, at least in a basketball sense... 

 

Lavin should have had this surgery in April

  That's hindsight. We can't sit here and second guess a decision made by doctors.  Thats ridiculous even for you Baldi.

Its ridiculous I know. BUt Im sure others are thinking it, Im just nice person enough to post it. If I had cancer, I'd probably want to get it out asap. No "wait and see" for me

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #161 on: December 09, 2011, 12:06:59 PM »
This one isn't on the staff...barring some other kind of reason, it seems as if he's leaving because he can't deal with criticism.  However it doesn't matter if it's on the staff or not, they have half a team.  They're going to get reamed in BE play...I feel awful for the remaining players and the staff.

They will get reamed. I hope that a season of getting whupped will not cause another defection somewhere.

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #162 on: December 09, 2011, 12:07:15 PM »
Is anyone else nervous that Lavin may not be coaching this year? I am probably just reading into it to much, but couldn't Nuri and the rest of the team been told that Lavin will not coach this year and this is why Lindsey decided to leave. He might have believed his own hype that he could be in the NBA next year, and didn't think it was possible if Lavin wasn't coaching him this year. I am most likely paranoid with all the bad news that has been coming out.

  Sure.  If he doesn't come back we are screwed.  No recruit is going to commit here no matter how much you think you can schmooze them. Obviously his health is priority is number 1, but he has to come back.  He needs to get in front of this in the media,  quickly.

 What bothers me the most is the way Nuri's handlers are speaking in other forums. Bad mouthing Lavin, Dunlap, and the other players.  Not surprised considering they are from Philly.  Like Lavin is a liar because he got sick?   I suspect we never hear from Nuri again, at least in a basketball sense... 

 

Lavin should have had this surgery in April

  That's hindsight. We can't sit here and second guess a decision made by doctors.  Thats ridiculous even for you Baldi.

Its ridiculous I know. BUt Im sure others are thinking it, Im just nice person enough to post it. If I had cancer, I'd probably want to get it out asap. No "wait and see" for me

Been there and done that as Coach.  you do not know what his Numbers/score were at the time.  most of us want to wait before the operation and go for it when it is a definite necessity.  Dr. Scardino gave me a six month window and I chose to use most of it.  Don't forget, the Coach also had the summer recruiting period coming up and he obviously felt a commitment to that.  He also probably waited until the tests said "now is the time".

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #163 on: December 09, 2011, 12:16:56 PM »
His comment about not getting to play for Coach Lavin and not getting the opportunity to learn from Lavin is bush league.  It implies its Coach Lavin's fault he is battling cancer.  Great way to show support to Coach Lavin and the staff and your teammates.
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No, what it implies is he didn't get along with Dunlap.

Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #164 on: December 09, 2011, 12:20:28 PM »
For anyone to second guess the very personal medical decisions of another is beyond the pale. :-[

Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #165 on: December 09, 2011, 12:36:17 PM »
Anybody want to buy tickets?  Cheap?

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #166 on: December 09, 2011, 12:43:42 PM »
Anybody want to buy tickets?  Cheap?

 I assume your kidding Carmine because you come off as a die-hard, great fan.  But i was thinking about this  before.  Us fans need to come out and support this group as much or more as ever before. These kids are going to get their tails kicked in and lets not let them do it in front of 2k fans. I, for one, used to go to every game for 15 years. Due to moving to N. Jersey, having 3 young children and the financial issues that come with that, I haven't been to many games the last few years.

 I will make a concerted effort to see a few games now. Its important for the kids still here, as well as potential recruits. No recruit is going to want to play for a fan base that abandons the kids when things get tough. If this years players see us come out and support them , no matter what happens, they will realize they play for not only a great staff and city, but great fans.  If we don't show up, we are no better than Nuri.

 I'll buy your tickets, let me know what games are available.

Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #167 on: December 09, 2011, 01:01:50 PM »
I'm going to the Fordham game on the 17th with a whole crew of guys.  Obviously if one has financial issues that preclude that, it is totally understandable.  But if not, now is the time to support this team, more than ever.  We know NY is a bandwagon town, and I've seen people jump on and off the Johnnies-wagon my whole life when things are going well.  But the true fans should not let issues with the program impact their attendance (again, assuming that you have no issues that prevent you from going).  We need to show these players love, because they are a talented bunch who will generate good things in years to come.

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #168 on: December 09, 2011, 01:10:02 PM »
Nuri's never been coached hard.  He's always been "The Guy" and probably got away with some stuff others didn't.  So when he went to South Kent and wasn't "The Guy" and came here and wasn't "The Guy" he up and runs!!

And so he thinks the league will be different for him ?

Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #169 on: December 09, 2011, 01:11:48 PM »
Anybody want to buy tickets?  Cheap?

 I assume your kidding Carmine because you come off as a die-hard, great fan.  But i was thinking about this  before.  Us fans need to come out and support this group as much or more as ever before. These kids are going to get their tails kicked in and lets not let them do it in front of 2k fans. I, for one, used to go to every game for 15 years. Due to moving to N. Jersey, having 3 young children and the financial issues that come with that, I haven't been to many games the last few years.

 I will make a concerted effort to see a few games now. Its important for the kids still here, as well as potential recruits. No recruit is going to want to play for a fan base that abandons the kids when things get tough. If this years players see us come out and support them , no matter what happens, they will realize they play for not only a great staff and city, but great fans.  If we don't show up, we are no better than Nuri.

 I'll buy your tickets, let me know what games are available.

Like much of my musings (rantings?), it was deliverd tounge in cheek.  Your argument to still come out and support the guys even though the product to be deliverd on the floor just took a major hit is compelling.  I will comply and still attend what I have tickets for.

Prj provided a similiarly effective opinion.

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #170 on: December 09, 2011, 01:14:36 PM »
I'm going to the Fordham game on the 17th with a whole crew of guys.  Obviously if one has financial issues that preclude that, it is totally understandable.  But if not, now is the time to support this team, more than ever.  We know NY is a bandwagon town, and I've seen people jump on and off the Johnnies-wagon my whole life when things are going well.  But the true fans should not let issues with the program impact their attendance (again, assuming that you have no issues that prevent you from going).  We need to show these players love, because they are a talented bunch who will generate good things in years to come.


I'm going to Fordham too. I wonder if we can hang w them.

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #171 on: December 09, 2011, 01:23:12 PM »
I told u guys that this would happen....but yeah, lavin and company can do no wrong  :2funny:

we are a mess!!!

  Obviously you don't like Lavin and co.  May i ask who you were hoping they bring in after Norm was fired?   Did you hate this staff last year also? 

 This particular event says more about Nuri than it does about the staff IMO.  I'll wait till the details are out before I start killing anyone though.

who said i didnt like the lavin hire?  I thought it was a good hire....but it's hilarious how everyone continues to throw kudos at the guy/staff and can never admit that they have done a bad job so far this season.


Our program is an embarassment right now...and id bet nuri isn't the last guy to transfer.  And ill ask again, who do we have for next season coming in?
It is your opinion they've done a "bad job" so far this season.  "Bad job" and having growing pains with a young team are two entirely different opinions.  If you feel they've done a bad job, you should at least support it with some compelling reasons for your opinion.

Dude, are you serious?  Lavin has had three kids academically ineligble and now has had two kids transfer in Polee and Nuri...is there any more explanation needed on why Lavin and company have done a bad job this season? 


Polee and Nuri had some things in common. Big ambition, poor work ethic, and weak resolve.

These things happen but its magnified when 95% of your team is new and your in the center of the media world. Lavin has has little to no tolerance for bad seeds. As Jay-Z would say on to the next one..

So Lavin gets no blame for recruiting bad seeds (your words) ? 

The homerism here is second to none....I love our program, I still love our kids/team despite how pessimistic I am but to continue to rid Lavin of any blame is just so comical.  Our program is a complete mess/joke right now.

Do you think this wouldn't have happened to any coach who had to recruit an entire team in one year ? You can be negative or supportive. Take your pick. A real fan would understand how tough it was to put together a staff and team, without hearing the "blame" from you.

Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #172 on: December 09, 2011, 01:44:36 PM »
I very rarely post, but always enjoy reading both the gossip, banter and information that all of you so generously provide. I believe this to be a pretty serious crossroads for our beloved program. It is not the Lindsey defection itself, but the series of events over the last bunch of incidents.

To think there is nothing wrong with the program right now is purely rose colored glasses. Either Lavin recruited the wrong type of person as a risk/reward play, or the coaching staff is not reaching the kids correctly is probably all speculation unless you are involved in the program and team in a more direct manner than most all of us on these boards. But, make no mistake, something is wrong. We must hope Lavin figures this out.

Now is not the time to jump off the bandwagon we were all so excited about when Lavin was signing top high school athletes like I eat non-pareil chocolates. Now is the time to endear ourselves to the players who are in the program and elicit the values of St. Johns, like Mo Harkless.

From a selfish perspective, I would like to see us recruit kids that can represent our University with pride as well as be great basketball players. I do not care if they are from inner cities or rural backroads, but I do care if they show self esteem and pride in themselves and treat others with respect. Lavin cannot just recruit any kid that is a great high school or prep player and hope they turn into great players/great citizens. That does not mean that they all have to be choir boys, just not thugs...we have been there and done that and it nearly destroyed the program.

Lindsey leaving at this juncture is him running away from something. It may be impetuous, it may be the wrong thing to do on many levels. But given the circumstances surrounding so many players in the last year, it is indicative of a general problem that we must hope is fixed for our long term success.


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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #173 on: December 09, 2011, 04:21:23 PM »
This story is gonna blow up even more when these kids go out and win there next 2 or 3 in a row

Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #174 on: December 09, 2011, 04:54:09 PM »
This story is gonna blow up even more when these kids go out and win there next 2 or 3 in a row


From your mouth to God's ear.  Nuri has made a major mistake.

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #175 on: December 09, 2011, 06:25:02 PM »
a mom defending his son. 

What the... That's it! Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn! Einhorn is a man!

Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #176 on: December 09, 2011, 08:50:19 PM »
I told u guys that this would happen....but yeah, lavin and company can do no wrong  :2funny:

we are a mess!!!

  Obviously you don't like Lavin and co.  May i ask who you were hoping they bring in after Norm was fired?   Did you hate this staff last year also? 

 This particular event says more about Nuri than it does about the staff IMO.  I'll wait till the details are out before I start killing anyone though.

who said i didnt like the lavin hire?  I thought it was a good hire....but it's hilarious how everyone continues to throw kudos at the guy/staff and can never admit that they have done a bad job so far this season.


Our program is an embarassment right now...and id bet nuri isn't the last guy to transfer.  And ill ask again, who do we have for next season coming in?
It is your opinion they've done a "bad job" so far this season.  "Bad job" and having growing pains with a young team are two entirely different opinions.  If you feel they've done a bad job, you should at least support it with some compelling reasons for your opinion.

Dude, are you serious?  Lavin has had three kids academically ineligble and now has had two kids transfer in Polee and Nuri...is there any more explanation needed on why Lavin and company have done a bad job this season? 


Polee and Nuri had some things in common. Big ambition, poor work ethic, and weak resolve.

These things happen but its magnified when 95% of your team is new and your in the center of the media world. Lavin has has little to no tolerance for bad seeds. As Jay-Z would say on to the next one..

So Lavin gets no blame for recruiting bad seeds (your words) ? 

The homerism here is second to none....I love our program, I still love our kids/team despite how pessimistic I am but to continue to rid Lavin of any blame is just so comical.  Our program is a complete mess/joke right now.

Do you think this wouldn't have happened to any coach who had to recruit an entire team in one year ? You can be negative or supportive. Take your pick. A real fan would understand how tough it was to put together a staff and team, without hearing the "blame" from you.

If we're going to give Laivn credit for the like of Harkless, Pointer and Harrison he should also take flack for three academically ineligible players and Nuri.  It's not as hard as you think to recruit 10 academically eligible kids.  10 academically eligible top 100 recruits? Sure, that's tough....but I think we would have all settled for some top kids, and some "fillers" or 3 star players that Lav's knew would qualify. 

BOTTOM LINE: Lavin has put our program is a very bad position right now.  There is no debating this.  If you are happy that we are going to be throwing out 6 (maybe 7) scholarship players the rest of the season and get blown out in more than 50% of big east games, then more power to you. 

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #177 on: December 09, 2011, 09:04:33 PM »
I told u guys that this would happen....but yeah, lavin and company can do no wrong  :2funny:

we are a mess!!!

  Obviously you don't like Lavin and co.  May i ask who you were hoping they bring in after Norm was fired?   Did you hate this staff last year also? 

 This particular event says more about Nuri than it does about the staff IMO.  I'll wait till the details are out before I start killing anyone though.

who said i didnt like the lavin hire?  I thought it was a good hire....but it's hilarious how everyone continues to throw kudos at the guy/staff and can never admit that they have done a bad job so far this season.


Our program is an embarassment right now...and id bet nuri isn't the last guy to transfer.  And ill ask again, who do we have for next season coming in?
It is your opinion they've done a "bad job" so far this season.  "Bad job" and having growing pains with a young team are two entirely different opinions.  If you feel they've done a bad job, you should at least support it with some compelling reasons for your opinion.

Dude, are you serious?  Lavin has had three kids academically ineligble and now has had two kids transfer in Polee and Nuri...is there any more explanation needed on why Lavin and company have done a bad job this season? 


Polee and Nuri had some things in common. Big ambition, poor work ethic, and weak resolve.

These things happen but its magnified when 95% of your team is new and your in the center of the media world. Lavin has has little to no tolerance for bad seeds. As Jay-Z would say on to the next one..

So Lavin gets no blame for recruiting bad seeds (your words) ? 

The homerism here is second to none....I love our program, I still love our kids/team despite how pessimistic I am but to continue to rid Lavin of any blame is just so comical.  Our program is a complete mess/joke right now.

Do you think this wouldn't have happened to any coach who had to recruit an entire team in one year ? You can be negative or supportive. Take your pick. A real fan would understand how tough it was to put together a staff and team, without hearing the "blame" from you.

If we're going to give Laivn credit for the like of Harkless, Pointer and Harrison he should also take flack for three academically ineligible players and Nuri.  It's not as hard as you think to recruit 10 academically eligible kids.  10 academically eligible top 100 recruits? Sure, that's tough....but I think we would have all settled for some top kids, and some "fillers" or 3 star players that Lav's knew would qualify. 

BOTTOM LINE: Lavin has put our program is a very bad position right now.  There is no debating this.  If you are happy that we are going to be throwing out 6 (maybe 7) scholarship players the rest of the season and get blown out in more than 50% of big east games, then more power to you.

Yes a bad situation but hopefully the kids that are here can pull out 6 BE wins and we recruit the other half of the team next year.

Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #178 on: December 09, 2011, 09:57:19 PM »
Is anyone else nervous that Lavin may not be coaching this year? I am probably just reading into it to much, but couldn't Nuri and the rest of the team been told that Lavin will not coach this year and this is why Lindsey decided to leave. He might have believed his own hype that he could be in the NBA next year, and didn't think it was possible if Lavin wasn't coaching him this year. I am most likely paranoid with all the bad news that has been coming out.

  Sure.  If he doesn't come back we are screwed.  No recruit is going to commit here no matter how much you think you can schmooze them. Obviously his health is priority is number 1, but he has to come back.  He needs to get in front of this in the media,  quickly.

 What bothers me the most is the way Nuri's handlers are speaking in other forums. Bad mouthing Lavin, Dunlap, and the other players.  Not surprised considering they are from Philly.  Like Lavin is a liar because he got sick?   I suspect we never hear from Nuri again, at least in a basketball sense...

Bad mouthing other players? Interesting. May be the reason that there doesn't appear to have been much of a fight to keep him here

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Re: Nurideen Lindsey to transfer
« Reply #179 on: December 09, 2011, 10:18:57 PM »
Is anyone else nervous that Lavin may not be coaching this year? I am probably just reading into it to much, but couldn't Nuri and the rest of the team been told that Lavin will not coach this year and this is why Lindsey decided to leave. He might have believed his own hype that he could be in the NBA next year, and didn't think it was possible if Lavin wasn't coaching him this year. I am most likely paranoid with all the bad news that has been coming out.

  Sure.  If he doesn't come back we are screwed.  No recruit is going to commit here no matter how much you think you can schmooze them. Obviously his health is priority is number 1, but he has to come back.  He needs to get in front of this in the media,  quickly.

 What bothers me the most is the way Nuri's handlers are speaking in other forums. Bad mouthing Lavin, Dunlap, and the other players.  Not surprised considering they are from Philly.  Like Lavin is a liar because he got sick?   I suspect we never hear from Nuri again, at least in a basketball sense...

Bad mouthing other players? Interesting. May be the reason that there doesn't appear to have been much of a fight to keep him here

What are some of the comments that have been made by nuri's entourage?